2016 Presidential Horse Race

[kmoose]

You are a silly man.

So now you find yourself in a corner, so you are going to go after me personally, not the ideas and opinions, huh? Nice........

 

[woolybug25]

So now you find yourself in a corner, so you are going to go after me personally, not the ideas and opinions, huh? Nice........

He's just calling you silly because you are arguing something he wasn't even saying. He's given up trying to reason with you. I don't blame him.


Hey... how many states did Reagan win?

i forgot

 

[kmoose]

He's just calling you silly because you are arguing something he wasn't even saying. He's given up trying to reason with you. I don't blame him.

And now he needs you to speak for him?

 

[drayer54]

Indeed. And if Bernie is on the ticket, that changes the dynamic. And so, my argument ends where it began -- why it would be a smart move for Hillary to pick Bernie as her VP.

Bernie is the loose cannon who won't tow the party line. She'll pick a minority to try and draw more contrast between her and Trump. Plus, it's a pander to bring out the vote.

 

[woolybug25]

And now he needs you to speak for him?

No... but since you aren't actually reading anything he says, I thought I would try to help clear things up for you.

There has been some confusion on your end.

 

[kmoose]

No... but since you aren't actually reading anything he says, I thought I would try to help clear things up for you.

There has been some confusion on your end.

Maybe YOU should read what he said.........

George Bush Sr. caused Reagan some major heartburn, too. He called Dutch's economic theory Voodoo economics on the campaign trail, and that term stuck through much of the election cycle. Ultimately he brought Bush on board to attract his supporters so he could win the election. There are multiple examples of candidates choosing someone who they have had disagreements with in the past in order to win elections.

So you want to explain to me what he DIDN'T say, again? SMH

 

[GoIrish41]

Bernie is the loose cannon who won't tow the party line. She'll pick a minority to try and draw more contrast between her and Trump. Plus, it's a pander to bring out the vote.

Last polls I saw she was at 93% with blacks and 80% or so with Latinos. A minority probably won't do much for her. What she is missing is young people who have deep loyalty (at least it appears) for Bernie. Maybe someone to the left of her to entice the young liberals? That is a maybe ... Bernie definitely brings them on board IMO.

 

[woolybug25]

Maybe YOU should read what he said.........




So you want to explain to me what he DIDN'T say, again? SMH

Or you could read any of the posts I made before. None of them are refuted by copying the post I read the first time around.

I'll tell you what... i'll quit trying to explain the simple difference between them if you could... say.... tell us how many delegates Reagan won against Bush in the 1980 primary?

Then i'll throw in the towel...

 

[GoIrish41]

Or you could read any of the posts I made before. None of them are refuted by copying the post I read the first time around.

I'll tell you what... i'll quit trying to explain the simple difference between them if you could... say.... tell us how many delegates Reagan won against Bush in the 1980 primary?

Then i'll throw in the towel...

Wasn't it really close?

 

[kmoose]

Or you could read any of the posts I made before. None of them are refuted by copying the post I read the first time around.

I'll tell you what... i'll quit trying to explain the simple difference between them if you could... say.... tell us how many delegates Reagan won against Bush in the 1980 primary?

Then i'll throw in the towel...

I wasn't debating anything with YOU until you started in on me. I was debating GoIrish on his contention that Bush caused "major heartburn" for Reagan, and that Reagan still chose Bush because he wanted Bush's supporters to carry the election. Both of those statements are not borne out by the math. You can say hindsight is 20/20, but when you are winning 44 states in the primaries AND the general, with a >2:1 vote margin in the primaries and a 10:1 electoral margin in the general, you are NOT losing a lot of sleep over George H W Bush. Did Reagan's campaign have to contend with "Voodoo economics"? Sure. But I bet there were days when his choice of tie caused more angst than "Voodoo Economics" did.

 

[woolybug25]

Wasn't it really close?

That's what "heartburn" means, duh...

 

[drayer54]

Last polls I saw she was at 93% with blacks and 80% or so with Latinos. A minority probably won't do much for her. What she is missing is young people who have deep loyalty (at least it appears) for Bernie. Maybe someone to the left of her to entice the young liberals? That is a maybe ... Bernie definitely brings them on board IMO.

I don't disagree, but I think she does it to draw more contrast. It has more effect when someone like Cory Booker calls him a racist.

Plus, this will boost turnout. Maybe.

 

[Irish YJ]

1939-13

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't disagree, but I think she does it to draw more contrast. It has more effect when someone like Cory Booker calls him a racist.

Plus, this will boost turnout. Maybe.

You probably have a better chance of being right than me, but I find it impossible to believe that Hillary didn't give this serious thought. It's more likely than not not going to happen, but if it did Bernie as VP would change everything. Hillary could win as many as 44 states.

 

[Legacy]

If only less states had primaries or more had been proportional, 2016 could have been like 1976.

‘It Was Riotous’: An Oral History of the GOP’s Last Open Convention
Twenty Republican Party figures remember 1976.

After the primaries, an August 6 Washington Post tally had Ford at 1,106 delegates and Reagan at 1,034, with 119 still uncommitted. 1,130 delegates were needed to win the nomination.

 

[Irish#1]

The Republican Party of my youth would be appauled by the party today.

I think that could be said of the Democratic Party as well. Neither resemble what they used to be.

 

[Irish#1]

He's talking about how it followed him through the general election and throughout his Presidency. How it was part of his legacy.

Geez... Dang man...

Is it? Bringing on a running mate who was an opponent that could help a candidate win and election? Sounds identical to me.

This started because I stated that I didn't think Clinton would want Bernie as #2 because he would cause her too much heartburn. GoIrish41 then mentioned examples where it had occurred and I agreed that it had happened before. Sure there have been examples of party opponents coming together to win an election. As I pointed out earlier and this is just my opinion but, I don't believe RR and Bush had the disdain for each other like Bernie and Hillary do. If Bernie were to become VP under Clinton, I could see Bernie continuing his campaign / agenda causing Hillary to feel like she had a irritating yeast infection she couldn't get under control.

 

[GoIrish41]

Speaking of running mates ...

Donald Trump's Vice Presidential Picking Process Sounds Dodgy As Hell

 

[wizards8507]

Speaking of running mates ...

Donald Trump's Vice Presidential Picking Process Sounds Dodgy As Hell

Really, dude? Wasn't it you who criticized someone for citing a WND article yesterday? Now you post a HuffPo piece with a click-bait headline that, in the first line, calls Donald Trump a "foaming man-possum"?

 

[GoIrish41]

Really, dude? Wasn't it you who criticized someone for citing a WND article yesterday?

No, it was not. I don't even know what WND is.

Now you post a HuffPo piece with a click-bait headline that, in the first line, calls Donald Trump a "foaming man-possum"?

I didn't write the article. I didn't even comment on it. I just saw it and shared it. By the way, I think that line was hilarious ... foaming man-possum. lol

 

[woolybug25]

Really, dude? Wasn't it you who criticized someone for citing a WND article yesterday? Now you post a HuffPo piece with a click-bait headline that, in the first line, calls Donald Trump a "foaming man-possum"?

First of all, that was me, and secondly, it was entirely justified. WND isn't even a site I would call "biased" in the sense of HuffPost. WND has actual false stories in their headlines in the regular. Yesterday, they had articles claiming a "ClintonU Controversy" and "Secret Code Found in Bible". They are a niche producer of rightwing conspiracy theories, religious books and 'family values' tracts.They are not a news agency, they are a conservative news aggregator that has been sued several times for libel.

Let's not twist "Biased Journalism" with "False Journalism".

HuffPost and their peers (one both sides of the line) should be met with asterisk. WND should not be posted as actual news. It's no different than posting an Onion article as real journalism (albeit, their purpose being satire).

 

[ACamp1900]

SIAP

I think it's clear I'm not a Trump supporter/fan (Though, if I vote at all, I will most likely openly vote against Clinton) but this shit is out of hand... and really this whole thing isn't even about Trump imo, it says more about our collective political conscience currently. This is what happens when we accept every political issue being dumbed down to simplistic emotional terms (like 'the other side is collectively racist') ... When you start looking at anyone with a different view on government as a "Well they are just racist/sexist/bigoted/ whatever" assaulting the 'bad guys' becomes okay... except it's not, and other people's opinions are rarely that simple. Even here, with posters I have much respect for, it's getting too easy to paint with broad emotional strokes... stuff like this is the end result.


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[GoIrish41]

I think that could be said of the Democratic Party as well. Neither resemble what they used to be.

Somebody posted a chart in one of the political threads that showed how the Democratic party remained relatively stagnant on the "left/right" political scale, but the Republicans shifted dramatically to the right. I don't think I agree with your statement. I mean, just because everyone on the right refers to Obama as a bleeding heart liberal, it does not make it true. He is a center-left Democrat that has pushed for a lot of policies that were devised by Republicans -- including Obamacare. The left has been pushing for universal healthcare (to some degree) for my entire lifetime. Heck, some Republicans used to push for it, too. Nixon, I believe, had a universal healthcare plan.

 

[GoIrish41]

SIAP

I think it's clear I'm not a Trump supporter/fan (Though, if I vote at all, I will most likely openly vote against Clinton) but this shit is out of hand... and really this whole thing isn't even about Trump imo, it says more about our collectively political conscience currently. This is what happens when we collectively accept every political issue being dumbed down to simplistic emotional terms (like 'the other side is collectively racist') ... When you start looking at anyone with a different view on government as a "Well they are just racist/sexist/bigoted/ whatever" assaulting the 'bad guys' becomes okay... except it's not, and other people's opinions are rarely that simple. Even here, with posters I have much respect for, it's getting too easy to paint with broad emotional strokes... stuff like this is the end result.

Its never OK!

 

[wizards8507]

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It's really scary seeing all of that compiled like that. Where the fuck are the police?

 

[IrishLax]

Its never OK!

But it obviously is, no matter how much Hillary or whoever "disavows" it...

Contrast: Donald Trump is not the victim: The right’s laughable spin as violence breaks out in San Jose - Salon.com

With: Violence returns to the Trump campaign: Black protester assaulted by Trump supporters at “New York Values” rally - Salon.com or the half dozen other sanctimonious articles from Salon on the evil violent Trump supporters.

You can do the same thing with HuffPo, where they have a consistent tagline on basically every editorial about how evil Trump promotes violence... and then write something like this: Sorry Liberals, A Violent Response To Trump Is As Logical As Any

The left is clearly condoning the violence against Trump supporters, no matter how much leaders at the top say it's "unacceptable" with a wink and a nudge.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's really scary seeing all of that compiled like that. Where the fuck are the police?

They're the bad guys too now... what, you missed that memo???

 

[wizards8507]

But it obviously is, no matter how much Hillary or whoever "disavows" it...

Contrast: Donald Trump is not the victim: The right’s laughable spin as violence breaks out in San Jose - Salon.com

With: Violence returns to the Trump campaign: Black protester assaulted by Trump supporters at “New York Values” rally - Salon.com or the half dozen other sanctimonious articles from Salon on the evil violent Trump supporters.

You can do the same thing with HuffPo, where they have a consistent tagline on basically every editorial about how evil Trump promotes violence... and then write something like this: Sorry Liberals, A Violent Response To Trump Is As Logical As Any

The left is clearly condoning the violence against Trump supporters, no matter how much leaders at the top say it's "unacceptable" with a wink and a nudge.

Yup. One violent Trump supporter versus hordes of violent anti-Trump protesters. Somehow the former is worse than the latter and all of it is Trump's fault.

 

[Wild Bill]

It's really scary seeing all of that compiled like that. Where the fuck are the police?

Instructed to stand down?

 

[drayer54]

SIAP




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How many sucker punches do you see in this video... amazing.