'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Irish#1]

This. Just about anyone who played big time ball or has the arm is invited even just to be a camp arm. Golson fits that bill completely...the transfer must have turned off most teams and I'm guessing BK/Jimbo haven't gone out of their way to try and get teams interested.

Disagree. Kids transfer all the time and teams still draft them. EG had a strong arm, but no other tools. He lacks size, is extremely slow going through his progressions and has show a knack for turnovers. He may have led ND to the NCG, but he was on a short lease with a limited playbook that season. I'm not surprised at all that he wasn't invited as an UFA.

As others have said, he's a perfect fit for the CFL.

 

[dad4aa]

Cody Riggs sound familiar? How about Sebastian Avery? Another very fitting comparison (although it doesn't involve ND) would be Jake Rudock going to Michigan for a 5th year. He was a starter at Iowa that was going to lose his starting position, sound familiar? He won the starting job at Michigan and was just drafted. Had he stayed at Iowa as the back-up he would probably be looking for a job outside of football right now. As it is, he has put himself in a position to play his way onto an NFL roster. That is exactly the opportunity Golson was hoping to find. Unfortunately, transferring to FSU didn't work out for him. That doesn't make him a quitter. Golson's moodiness always seemed directed at himself more so than his teammates. He was ****ed off at himself and showed it on the sidelines. When he was on the field, I never saw an ounce of quit in him.

The difference here is I do not believe any of the players you mentioned participated in their former team's spring game and then transferred because they were beat out. Had EG decided after the season to transfer...I would agree with you. But he stayed and, from all appearances, only transferred because he was beat out. Not the same.

 

[gkIrish]

The difference here is I do not believe any of the players you mentioned participated in their former team's spring game and then transferred because they were beat out. Had EG decided after the season to transfer...I would agree with you. But he stayed and, from all appearances, only transferred because he was beat out. Not the same.

So if two plant managers apply for a promotion to regional manager of their company, if the one that doesn't get the promotion goes to a comparable company to be their regional manager he is a quitter?

I don't think I have the same definition of quitter as some of you...

 

[kmoose]

Golson fulfilled his four-year commitment to Notre Dame. Notre Dame fulfilled its four-year commitment to Golson.

And we fans fulfilled our 4 year commitment to Golson, too. Beyond that, we don't owe him anything. I don't think he's a bad guy, but I do think he quit on not just Notre Dame, but Florida State as well, when he chose not to play in the bowl game. I do give him credit for completing his degree. But, to play devil's advocate: Of course he finished his degree. He had to maintain good academic standing in order to be eligible to play football. So an argument could be made that he only finished his degree for selfish reasons.

 

[EddytoNow]

And we fans fulfilled our 4 year commitment to Golson, too. Beyond that, we don't owe him anything. I don't think he's a bad guy, but I do think he quit on not just Notre Dame, but Florida State as well, when he chose not to play in the bowl game. I do give him credit for completing his degree. But, to play devil's advocate: Of course he finished his degree. He had to maintain good academic standing in order to be eligible to play football. So an argument could be made that he only finished his degree for selfish reasons.

The bolded statement would describe every college football player. There are large numbers of players who only stay in school to play football, and not all of them earn their degrees. The low graduation rate for football players in many major college football programs is evidence that large numbers of players do not earn their degrees. Golson stayed and earned his degree. He deserves credit for that, not criticism. As far as ND fans fulfilling their 4-year commitment to Golson or any other recruit, all you have to do is follow this forum to learn how quickly the fans quit on the players. Large numbers of contributors to this forum quit on Tommy Rees, Joe Schmidt, Robbie Toma, Max Redfield, Mathias Farley, and numerous others. Some continue to criticize Manti for being the victim of a scam. And all Tommy, Joe, Manti, Max, Mathias, and the others did was give everything they had to the team.

 

[kmoose]

The bolded statement would describe every college football player. There are large numbers of players who only stay in school to play football, and not all of them earn their degrees. The low graduation rate for football players in many major college football programs is evidence that large numbers of players do not earn their degrees. Golson stayed and earned his degree. He deserves credit for that, not criticism.

No one criticized him for staying and finishing his degree.

As far as ND fans fulfilling their 4-year commitment to Golson or any other recruit, all you have to do is follow this forum to learn how quickly the fans quit on the players. Large numbers of contributors to this forum quit on Tommy Rees, Joe Schmidt, Robbie Toma, Max Redfield, Mathias Farley, and numerous others. Some continue to criticize Manti for being the victim of a scam. And all Tommy, Joe, Manti, Max, Mathias, and the others did was give everything they had to the team.

But Golson DIDN'T give his all, now did he? I mean, he obviously still had some football in him. That's why he went to Florida State. But he didn't even give them his all, choosing to bail on them for their bowl game.

 

[rocket66]

Golson was absolutely a quitter and had a quitter's personality. Couldn't stand his body language on the sideline every time something went bad in a game.


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[kmoose]

So if two plant managers apply for a promotion to regional manager of their company, if the one that doesn't get the promotion goes to a comparable company to be their regional manager he is a quitter?

I don't think I have the same definition of quitter as some of you...

I don't think you can take one incident, and label the guy "a quitter". But in your scenario the guy that left for the other company absolutely quit on his co-workers at the first company.

 

[gkIrish]

Golson was absolutely a quitter and had a quitter's personality. Couldn't stand his body language on the sideline every time something went bad in a game.


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Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have some of the worst body language in the entire NFL when things aren't going well. Has absolutely nothing to do with "quitting." I would actually argue they do it because they are frustrated with themselves.

 

[gkIrish]

I don't think you can take one incident, and label the guy "a quitter". But in your scenario the guy that left for the other company absolutely quit on his co-workers at the first company.

If you look at the literal definition, sure, he "quit," because he left something permanently.

But we are talking about quitting in a negative context. I don't think you can label the guy who left the company for a better opportunity as doing something morally wrong. And in Golson's context you can't even argue that he left the team in a worse position. You could easily argue we were better off without him because you never want to have a QB controversy during a season. So if anything, what he did was opportunistic but not "quitting."

 

[dad4aa]

So if two plant managers apply for a promotion to regional manager of their company, if the one that doesn't get the promotion goes to a comparable company to be their regional manager he is a quitter?

I don't think I have the same definition of quitter as some of you...

I have no clue why you use a job comparison. If you are going to do that then you need to say the guy that looked for a promotion was retiring in a year because he only had one year left to play. You are using a bad analogy that has no comparison to what happened here.

 

[kmoose]

If you look at the literal definition, sure, he "quit," because he left something permanently.

But we are talking about quitting in a negative context. I don't think you can label the guy who left the company for a better opportunity as doing something morally wrong. And in Golson's context you can't even argue that he left the team in a worse position. You could easily argue we were better off without him because you never want to have a QB controversy during a season. So if anything, what he did was opportunistic but not "quitting."

You got a mouse in your pocket or something? Because I specifically said:

I don't think he's a bad guy, but I do think he quit on not just Notre Dame, but Florida State as well, when he chose not to play in the bowl game. I do give him credit for completing his degree.

 

[connor_in]

So you guys are saying he should get used to mayo on his hamburger?

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[dad4aa]

So you guys are saying he should get used to mayo on his hamburger?

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Love that movie!!

 

[gkIrish]

You got a mouse in your pocket or something? Because I specifically said:

When you call someone a quitter in sports there is no neutral or positive spin on it. You are painting him in a negative light that is unfair IMO.

 

[gkIrish]

I have no clue why you use a job comparison. If you are going to do that then you need to say the guy that looked for a promotion was retiring in a year because he only had one year left to play. You are using a bad analogy that has no comparison to what happened here.

What? Playing sports is absolutely like having a job. Two guys are competing for one position and the guy who doesn't get it takes another opportunity to better his situation. Golson wasn't planning to quit football forever in one year. He had NFL aspirations so he ensured he would start for a premiere program to keep his NFL hopes alive.

 

[kmoose]

When you call someone a quitter in sports there is no neutral or positive spin on it. You are painting him in a negative light that is unfair IMO.

I didn't call him "a quitter". I said he quit on the team. Just because a guy quit once, that doesn't make him "a quitter". If a 40 year old guy smokes A cigar, that doesn't make him "a smoker".

 

[gkIrish]

I didn't call him "a quitter". I said he quit on the team. Just because a guy quit once, that doesn't make him "a quitter". If a 40 year old guy smokes A cigar, that doesn't make him "a smoker".

You said he quit on Notre Dame and Florida State, so that's twice. There are no other teams he could quit on after that. If you don't think he is a quitter, and don't think he is a bad guy, then why are you even countering me?

 

[dad4aa]

What? Playing sports is absolutely like having a job. Two guys are competing for one position and the guy who doesn't get it takes another opportunity to better his situation. Golson wasn't planning to quit football forever in one year. He had NFL aspirations so he ensured he would start for a premiere program to keep his NFL hopes alive.

Never said it wasn't. My last comment on this subject. Golson did not leave for the NFL, he left for another college for one year. That is a lateral move not a promotion. He bailed on his team because he was not anointed the starter. Although I hate your business analogy because it does not fit, using your "promotion" analogy...he left before he found out who actually got the promotion. BK never named a starter after the spring game. He said the competition would carry over and Golson felt entitled to the position and so he left.

 

[EddytoNow]

Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have some of the worst body language in the entire NFL when things aren't going well. Has absolutely nothing to do with "quitting." I would actually argue they do it because they are frustrated with themselves.

Their body language reflects the high standards they set for themselves. I would argue that Golson, too, had high standards for himself. There were times he couldn't live up to his own standards, so he sulked on the sidelines. But on those occasions when he was re-inserted into the game, Golson never quit. He was a gunslinger and came out firing. His mentality was to continue attacking until the game was over.

Golson wanted an opportunity to play in the NFL. As of the Spring of 2015 the door was closed to him at Notre Dame barring an injury to Zaire. He took the best offer he could get, a chance to quarterback a team that had an opportunity to compete at the highest level. It didn't work out the way he would have liked, but that doesn't make him a quitter.

I coached basketball for over 15 years. If my back-ups didn't want to be starters, I would have questioned their commitment to get better. If you have an athlete that is content being a back-up, then I would suggest that player has quit on himself. When Golson was between the sidelines, he was all about winning. He had a burning desire to compete. He sulked because he wasn't on the field, not because he quit on his team.

 

[kmoose]

You said he quit on Notre Dame and Florida State, so that's twice. There are no other teams he could quit on after that. If you don't think he is a quitter, and don't think he is a bad guy, then why are you even countering me?

Because I made it clear that, although I think he quit on both teams, I don't think he is a bad guy. People are allowed to hit rough patches in life where they don't make very wise choices. They have to live with the consequences of those choices, but it shouldn't have to earn them a label that stays with them forever(if the label is not accurate). If you can't understand the nuance in that, then that's a you problem....... don't try to make it a me problem.

 

[gkIrish]

Their body language reflects the high standards they set for themselves. I would argue that Golson, too, had high standards for himself. There were times he couldn't live up to his own standards, so he sulked on the sidelines. But on those occasions when he was re-inserted into the game, Golson never quit. He was a gunslinger and came out firing. His mentality was to continue attacking until the game was over.

Golson wanted an opportunity to play in the NFL. As of the Spring of 2015 the door was closed to him at Notre Dame barring an injury to Zaire. He took the best offer he could get, a chance to quarterback a team that had an opportunity to compete at the highest level. It didn't work out the way he would have liked, but that doesn't make him a quitter.

I coached basketball for over 15 years. If my back-ups didn't want to be starters, I would have questioned their commitment to get better. If you have an athlete that is content being a back-up, then I would suggest that player has quit on himself. When Golson was between the sidelines, he was all about winning. He had a burning desire to compete. He sulked because he wasn't on the field, not because he quit on his team.

 

[dad4aa]

Their body language reflects the high standards they set for themselves. I would argue that Golson, too, had high standards for himself. There were times he couldn't live up to his own standards, so he sulked on the sidelines. But on those occasions when he was re-inserted into the game, Golson never quit. He was a gunslinger and came out firing. His mentality was to continue attacking until the game was over.

Golson wanted an opportunity to play in the NFL. As of the Spring of 2015 the door was closed to him at Notre Dame barring an injury to Zaire. He took the best offer he could get, a chance to quarterback a team that had an opportunity to compete at the highest level. It didn't work out the way he would have liked, but that doesn't make him a quitter.

I coached basketball for over 15 years. If my back-ups didn't want to be starters, I would have questioned their commitment to get better. If you have an athlete that is content being a back-up, then I would suggest that player has quit on himself. When Golson was between the sidelines, he was all about winning. He had a burning desire to compete. He sulked because he wasn't on the field, not because he quit on his team.

Once again, incorrect information. Golson held a slight lead AFTER the spring game but decided to transfer anyway since he wasn't anointed the starter after the game. He did not believe there should still be a competition in the fall and left...even though he had the slight lead.

Also, you are only content in being a backup if you fail to rise to the challenge. Either you are committed to the team and vision or you're not. Golson, unfortunately, was not.

 

[Rocket89]

Either you are committed to the team and vision or you're not. Golson, unfortunately, was not.

Does this make Steve Elmer a quitter, too? Pretty interesting to look at the stark differences on how we treat some players who choose to leave the football team after they graduate.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Disagree. Kids transfer all the time and teams still draft them. EG had a strong arm, but no other tools. He lacks size, is extremely slow going through his progressions and has show a knack for turnovers. He may have led ND to the NCG, but he was on a short lease with a limited playbook that season. I'm not surprised at all that he wasn't invited as an UFA.



As others have said, he's a perfect fit for the CFL.

100% agree

 

[kmoose]

Does this make Steve Elmer a quitter, too? Pretty interesting to look at the stark differences on how we treat some players who choose to leave the football team after they graduate.

The difference is that Elmer didn't leave to go play football somewhere else. Did he quit on the team? Yeah, I think so. But just as I said with Golson, that doesn't necessarily make him "a quitter".

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Elmer is a quitter and a horrible human being. He should be kicked out of school and excommunicated from the Catholic Church!


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[ThePiombino]

Elmer is a quitter and a horrible human being. He should be kicked out of school and excommunicated from the Catholic Church!


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This fair comparison will be dismissed by the agenda-driven community.


(Yes, I know you don't really mean it and are just using it to drive home a point.)

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This fair comparison will be dismissed by the agenda-driven community.


(Yes, I know you don't really mean it and are just using it to drive home a point.)

Lol. Correct I didn't mean it. But, I wasn't trying to drive home any point though lol.

 

[BGIF]

Disagree. Kids transfer all the time and teams still draft them. EG had a strong arm, but no other tools. He lacks size, is extremely slow going through his progressions and has show a knack for turnovers. He may have led ND to the NCG, but he was on a short lease with a limited playbook that season. I'm not surprised at all that he wasn't invited as an UFA.

As others have said, he's a perfect fit for the CFL.

+1

All true and easily recognizable to even the most casual observer. It doesn't take an NFL scout.