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woolybug25

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Found this article that gave a pretty interesting thought. Incredibly unlikely, but funny nonetheless.

Donald Trump 2016: Vice presidential pick is the big question - POLITICO
Oprah Winfrey: Born into poverty in Mississippi, she became a talk show host, actress, producer, author and multibillionaire philanthropist. She gave me an interview when she came to Chicago to start a TV talk show in 1984. At the time, I was probably better known in Chicago than she was. That lasted about five minutes.

In June 2015, Trump himself told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he wanted Oprah as his running mate. “I think we’d win easily, actually,” he said. “I like Oprah. I mean, is that supposed to be a bad thing? I don’t think so.”

But could Oprah, a big backer of Barack Obama, be selected by the Republican National Convention? “Over the years, I have voted for as many Republicans as I have Democrats,” Oprah said in December 2007 when she endorsed Obama. “This isn’t about partisanship for me. This is very, very personal.”

When Obama spoke to the crowd, he asked: “You want Oprah as vice president?”
The crowd roared. “That would be a demotion, you understand that?” Obama said.


Read more: Donald Trump 2016: Vice presidential pick is the big question - POLITICO
 

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This is unbelievable - buy your tickets to bankruptcy court now while they're cheap.

The Trump Organization eyes Vegas casino - Las Vegas Sands Corp. (NYSE:LVS) | Seeking Alpha


The Trump Organization eyes Vegas casino
Feb 25 2016, 15:58 ET | By: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor Contact this editor with comments or a news tip

The Trump Organization is considering building a casino in Las Vegas adjacent to the company's luxury hotel and condo tower on the north end of the Strip, according to a long-time business partner of Donald Trump.

Donald Trump has a long history in Atlantic City, but has never owned a casino in Las Vegas.

His son Eric Trump is running the hotel end of the business, while the GOP nomination drama plays out.
On a broader look at development in Las Vegas, old projects on the north end of the Las Vegas Strip have been re-energized with revenue growth in the region improving.

That development could be positive for Wynn Resorts and its Wynn Las Vegas and Encore properties.
 

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The Week's Michael Brendan Dougherty just published an article titled "Who can beat Trump? Not Rubio. Not Cruz. Not the GOP."

The conservative movement is in an angry mood. They want Marco Rubio as their standard bearer very badly. They are vowing to fight Donald Trump's nomination all the way to the convention. Because Trump is a Democrat in disguise, they say. He's a demagogue, injecting bilious poison into the body politic. For the good of the country, for the soul of their movement, for the very survival of the principles which impelled them into politics, he must be opposed relentlessly. People are quoting Hannah Arendt these days; the stakes are that high.

While the movement is reaching for pickaxes and putting on war paint, its putative leader Marco Rubio is distressingly nonchalant. Asked about why he isn't attacking Trump, Rubio replied: "I didn't run for office to tear up other Republicans." Not exactly the desperation of a man who thinks the Republic is about to be lost to barbarous populism.

While Rubio may believe he can delay and defer the fight forever, the rest of the party beyond the conservative movement seems to be giving up.

Ted Cruz has had a very awkward time transitioning from Donald's pal to his chief critic. "I like Donald Trump. He's a friend of mine. I'm grateful that he's in the race," he said last year. He told donors that his strategy has been to "bear hug" Trump and a debate audience that he would hire Donald Trump to build a wall on the southern border. His attempt to smear Trump as embodying "New York values" seems to have worked in Iowa and nowhere else. Ever since, Cruz has been flummoxed by lawsuits from his "friend" challenging his eligibility to run for president.

Now, Jeb Bush's voters seem to be defecting to Trump. More terrifying, it seems the Republican donor class is ready to parlay with Trump. The white flags are going up. Instead of a brave battle:

The donors cite the lack of success of the few super PAC attacks that have already targeted Trump as evidence that such attacks have not ― and cannot ― halt his momentum. And they worry that, if they fund higher-profile attacks, they could come under attack from Trump, who this week fired a warning shot at one of the few major donors to the anti-Trump efforts, Marlene Ricketts, tweeting that her family "better be careful, they have a lot to hide!" [Politico]

The reaction of the Republican money-men fits the historic pattern when traditional aristocrats abandon the old order they can no longer dominate anymore. Flight, not fight. The will to stop Donald Trump is just not there.

Every non-Trump campaign has been working on a theory that the last non-Trump standing will win automatically. But that's not what we're seeing so far. As with Jeb Bush's former supporters, as candidates defect, some go to Trump. How many people who now side with anti-establishment Ted Cruz really prefer Marco Rubio to Donald Trump? How many will prefer Marco Rubio to Trump after another week of anti-Rubio attack ads and mailers from the Cruz campaign? The GOP is hanging onto bizarre theories that three or more candidates will graciously drop out soon, or that Trump's poor performance among late deciders means he will begin losing states in the next two weeks where he has big double-digit leads.

There are lots of explanations for the rise of Donald Trump. I've been referring them to readers for months. Donald Trump is the return of the repressed. He's the sign that immigration politics are soon to dominate the political discourse. He is the tribune of the forgotten man and the working class who have been left behind by globalization. He is the chastisement that the Republican elites have merited through their total disregard for the economic interests of their core voters.

But one of the most obvious explanations for the rise of Donald Trump is that nobody fought him. Nobody responded to him in kind. When Donald Trump made fun of Jeb Bush's wife, Jeb Bush should have said how much he'd enjoy caving in the face of a degenerate casino owner. When Donald Trump said Rand Paul didn't belong on the stage, Paul should have replied that Trump was a disloyal interloper who would leave his followers hanging just as he left Atlantic City in shambles. When Trump hogged all the free media, the Republican donor class should have bought media and re-defined Trump.

But nobody in the GOP did it. The leadership of the party broke apart like balsa-wood and plate-glass, the collapsing set of an action movie. Trump looks like a hero smashing through a corrupt establishment. What else could the establishment be, but corrupt, if it never bothered to defend its right to rule?
 

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Lil Jon. Great chemistry on the apprentice plus he's got that minority appeal.

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Universal health care, SS expansion and free college tuition all would benefit real people and, by extension, the country as a whole. A net positive. A wall? Not so much. A massive waste of money to solve a problem that really doesn't exist. It would be akin to erecting a giant middle finger to our southern neighbors and would eventually make food and construction prices in this country skyrocket -- a net negative.

Do you have any idea what the cost of illegal immigration is to US citizens?
 

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1. Why won't it work in the United States? Works great in a lot of countries.

2. The proposal on the table, as I understand it, is to remove the cap that people pay to SS. You don't see the benefit of SS? Wow, MILLIONS of people who have benefitted from it over the years since FDR put it into place would surely disagree with you.

3. How are you going to bring those manufacturing jobs back? Are we going to cut American wages to what they are in China so we can be more competitive? That's the only way those jobs are coming back because our laws reward corporations with huge tax benefits even when they send American jobs overseas. I'm all for bolstering trade schools. Our economy needs all types of workers. We should be positioning ourselves to be the world leader in clean energy technology and moving away from fossil fuels. That makes the Middle East less of a U.S. priority so we don't have to involve ourselves in ancient religious conflicts that we have no business being involved with. We should be hiring underemployed Americans to rebuild our infrastructure so that we don't leave our children and grandchildren with structural problems.

Really?

1. Countries like Denmark and Sweden have the population of Pennsylvania, not 309 million people the US has.

2. Many of those countries have VERY strict immigration laws that would make liberals like you throw up. They don't have our population, and they sure as hell don't have 11 million illegals on top of that to care for.

3. Those countries don't have the health issues we do in the US. Overall they have more active, healthier lifestyles while we are still trying to figure out what's causing all the heart disease (the #1 killer in the US).
 
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Do you have any idea what the cost of illegal immigration is to US citizens?

IDK what the costs are or how you will break them down but I just read an article citing a study where illegal immigrants significantly contribute to star and local taxes. Montana's illegal immigrants paid $2.2 million in taxes and California which has over 3 million II's paid over $3 billion in taxes.
 

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IDK what the costs are or how you will break them down but I just read an article citing a study where illegal immigrants significantly contribute to star and local taxes. Montana's illegal immigrants paid $2.2 million in taxes and California which has over 3 million II's paid over $3 billion in taxes.

First, imagine what those local and state tax revenue numbers would look like if they were paying American citizens instead of illegal immigrants.

Second, ask yourself if the $3 billion California got from 3 million illegal immigrants was enough to cover all the costs of the basics: housing, food, education, and healthcare.
 

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First, imagine what those local and state tax revenue numbers would look like if they were paying American citizens instead of illegal immigrants.

Second, ask yourself if the $3 billion California got from 3 million illegal immigrants was enough to cover all the costs of the basics: housing, food, education, and healthcare.

Huh? How would it be higher, most illegal immigrants don't make enough to pay income tax. Color me confused.
 

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Huh? How would it be higher, most illegal immigrants don't make enough to pay income tax. Color me confused.

Everyone pays income tax, unless they work for cash under the table. You might get it all back, but you still pay.

And I think the point is that illegals are paying sales taxes, not income taxes. At least, I was always under the impression that you have to have a Social Security Number in order to pay income taxes. If those wages were going to citizens, or even resident aliens, then they would be paying income tax as well.
 

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Everyone pays income tax, unless they work for cash under the table. You might get it all back, but you still pay.

And I think the point is that illegals are paying sales taxes, not income taxes. At least, I was always under the impression that you have to have a Social Security Number in order to pay income taxes. If those wages were going to citizens, or even resident aliens, then they would be paying income tax as well.

Sigh, really? The point is that at their income level they wouldn't owe income taxes (and actually you can file exempt if you won't make the minimum to owe, I did it a few times in college or at least you could when I was in college), so the state isn't missing out on any revenue. Also if those wages were going to citizens the government wouldn't get the money anyways because people making that little either file exempt or get it all back.


Again the revenue is all the same to the Government in the end.
 

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Is Ted Cruz the least self aware person ever? There is no way that a person could be this corny if they had even a modicum of self awareness.
 

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Question...who does Trump ask to be his vice presidential candidate

Rubio? It's odd how they are playing nice with one another. Rubio is running out of time to make his move IMO.

No way it will be possible if it gets down to a 2-man race between Trump/Rubio, but I think it could happen if Trump sweeps Super Tuesday and Rubio can't get any separation from Cruz.

ha nevermind
 

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It's comments like this that make me wonder if there should be a minimum knowledge requirement to vote. Maybe you should have to take a very basic civics test each time you renew your Driver's License?

The View's Raven-Symoné Vows to Leave US ‘If Any Republican Gets Nominated’ - Breitbart

I mean, you can't make a law like that. The Constitutional jurisprudence is pretty clear on that. You can, however, take solace in the fact that if idiots leave the country then at least we will have less idiots.
 

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Great to see the assault on Trump. Cruz would have been a great actor. Very dramatic, lots of theater from him.
 

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This is the first debate I've watched. It's actually entertaining.

Rubio's point that the EPA, DOE, etc. are red herrings when it comes to the debt is maybe the best thing anyone has said, because whether or not it actually gets to 83% it's absolutely true to that the entitlement programs are primary driver behind the debt. Lots of old people collecting tons of benefits and no one wants to even talk about it.
 

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This is the first debate I've watched. It's actually entertaining.

Dude, enjoy this. Watch all of this shit. Donald Trump's presidential campaign is a deeply embarrassing thing for our country, but from a pure entertainment standpoint this is the pinnacle. His presence (if you allow yourself to forget for a minute that he is seriously trying to win a presidential election) is so obscenely absurd...it is the funniest thing that has been on TV since Seinfeld's heyday.
 

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Dude, enjoy this. Watch all of this shit. Donald Trump's presidential campaign is a deeply embarrassing thing for our country, but from a pure entertainment standpoint this is the pinnacle. His presence (if you allow yourself to forget for a minute that he is seriously trying to win a presidential election) is so obscenely absurd...it is the funniest thing that has been on TV since Seinfeld's heyday.

If you like this Divine Comedy, just wait till Trump is elected.
 
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This is the first debate I've watched. It's actually entertaining.

Rubio's point that the EPA, DOE, etc. are red herrings when it comes to the debt is maybe the best thing anyone has said, because whether or not it actually gets to 83% it's absolutely true to that the entitlement programs are primary driver behind the debt. Lots of old people collecting tons of benefits and no one wants to even talk about it.
You can get more specific than that too. The fact that we spend so much more than other countries on the same operation/medication in those benefits is basically the only thing to worry about in our debt increases.
 
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