2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race

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IrishLax said:
Lobbyists, Wall Street Called Upon To Save Flagging Hillary | The Daily Caller

DNC undoing Obama's internal campaign finance reform... they will now be accepting money from lobbyists and PACs. The move is very counter what Sanders espouses vis a vis the corrupting influence of money in politics.
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I posted about this on Friday. First of all, Obama is an idiot for creating this rule in the first place. It did nothing to fix the real problem and it only applied to the DNC, seemingly sabotaging his own party. Makes no sense to me. Second, it's very counter productive of the pro-HRC DNC to do this because the majority of Americans want money out of politics, not more in it. It's a bad look for the DNC. They seem so desperate at this point. Bernie will just continue to build momentum (and win, imo) in spite of all this.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
I posted about this on Friday. First of all, Obama is an idiot for creating this rule in the first place. It did nothing to fix the real problem and it only applied to the DNC, seemingly sabotaging his own party. Makes no sense to me. Second, it's very counter productive of the pro-HRC DNC to do this because the majority of Americans want money out of politics, not more in it. It's a bad look for the DNC. They seem so desperate at this point. Bernie will just continue to build momentum (and win, imo) in spite of all this.
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You seem to be forgetting how politicians work:

The DNC can now accept money. Hillary will continue to (shadily, but rightly) claim that her campaign is not accepting any money from these sources. If the US elections have taught you anything, it should be that Americans are lazy voters who will believe just about anything if you repeat it often enough. Just look how many people here on this board believe that Trump said that "Mexicans are criminals and rapists." And this is a group of fairly intelligent people. Imagine how many of the less intellectually talented segment of society believe it? What would be poetic justice would be if the DNC whored themselves out like they are now, and Sanders ended up being their nominee and refused to accept any money from the Committee because of their sources. And then ended up getting crushed by the Republican nominee.
 
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IrishLax said:
Lobbyists, Wall Street Called Upon To Save Flagging Hillary | The Daily Caller

DNC undoing Obama's internal campaign finance reform... they will now be accepting money from lobbyists and PACs. The move is very counter what Sanders espouses vis a vis the corrupting influence of money in politics.
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phgreek said:
Damn...article indocates this is to benefit Hilary...DNC putting the wood to Bernie at every turn...
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Yeah... Wasserman Schultz is doing everything in her power to help HRC. Its really gross. This happened shortly after HRC's camp kind of intimated that Sanders was doing well in Nevada to where one poll (although not well rated for reliability yet) has them tied.... as does 538.
 
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Curious to know:

Who would you think would be the running mates of any of the possible D/R candidates?

Sanders/?
Clinton/?
Trump/? Mark Burnett?
Cruz/?
Rubio/?
Kasich/?
 
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beryirish said:
Curious to know:

Who would you think would be the running mates of any of the possible D/R candidates?

Sanders/?
Clinton/?
Trump/? Mark Burnett?
Cruz/?
Rubio/?
Kasich/?
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Sanders/Warren for the next 8 years. Warren as POTUS for the next 8 years after that.

Boom goes the dynamite.
 
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Sanders/Warren for the next 8 years. Warren as POTUS for the next 8 years after that.

Boom goes the dynamite.
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I love Warren. I don't think she is a VP though. She is far more effective in the Senate. I don't know if she would take it unless she is allowed some sort of authority to whip Dems into line with Bernie's proposed policy. She certainly would not make a great fgurehead (dunderhead) like Biden and Gore. I would actually be upset if she was pulled away from the Senate to be under utilized like all Dem VPs have been recently. If she could help Bernie formulate a progressive policy like Cheney did a hawkish neo-con policy... well that would be something worth watching for sure.

I think Sander's needs a woman as a VP and that choice will likely be dictated by whom he is running against (assuming he gets the nod).
 
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beryirish said:
Curious to know:

Who would you think would be the running mates of any of the possible D/R candidates?

Sanders/?
Clinton/?
Trump/? Mark Burnett?
Cruz/?
Rubio/?
Kasich/?
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Sanders -Warren would be a populist/gimmedat dream, but if he slides past Hillary (and he won't) he would pick someone very established to look more official.

Any of the republicans would pick Haley from SC. Imagine a Cuban and a whatever Haley is on the GOP ticket. She speaks well and has had some good moments lately. Plus, a woman to counter the woman.

Hillary would struggle to find a #2, a Mussolini, a mini- me, or anyone else quite evil enough. I could see her picking the best black/brown option so they can keep calling the GOP racist.
 
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I'm not sure it hurt Sanders. I think it just reinforces what he's been saying all along. That big money plays too big a role and that the system is fixed. This just further seems to prove his point in that regard.
 
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Sanders/ Warren
Clinton/ Booker or Kaine
Trump/ Palin or some other celebrity like Mark Cuban
Cruz/ Sessions
Rubio/ Kasich
Kasich/ Rubio
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
I posted about this on Friday. First of all, Obama is an idiot for creating this rule in the first place. It did nothing to fix the real problem and it only applied to the DNC, seemingly sabotaging his own party. Makes no sense to me. Second, it's very counter productive of the pro-HRC DNC to do this because the majority of Americans want money out of politics, not more in it. It's a bad look for the DNC. They seem so desperate at this point. Bernie will just continue to build momentum (and win, imo) in spite of all this.
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1. I don't think trying to clean up your party's political machine makes "Obama an idiot"... far from it. It was a noble step in the right direction.
2. I agree it seems like really weird look and it potentially gives Sanders something to hammer Hillary with. They must be really low on money to do this when they did.
 
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IrishLax said:
1. I don't think trying to clean up your party's political machine makes "Obama an idiot"... far from it. It was a noble step in the right direction.
2. I agree it seems like really weird look and it potentially gives Sanders something to hammer Hillary with. They must be really low on money to do this when they did.
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I'd have to agree here...when BO talks campaign Finance reform, he is at least credible to me because he tried to lead here. Can't argue with the attempt.
 
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IrishLax;1691485[B said:
]1. I don't think trying to clean up your party's political machine makes "Obama an idiot"... far from it. It was a noble step in the right direction.[/B]
2. I agree it seems like really weird look and it potentially gives Sanders something to hammer Hillary with. They must be really low on money to do this when they did.
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Maybe I'm being ignorant then. Why only do it to the DNC? Does he not have authority to force the same rule upon the RNC? If not, then I understand where you're coming from. I guess I can see it as a "lead by example" effort. At first glance it just seems odd to me that only the DNC had this rule.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Maybe I'm being ignorant then. Why only do it to the DNC? Does he not have authority to force the same rule upon the RNC? If not, then I understand where you're coming from. I guess I can see it as a "lead by example" effort. At first glance it just seems odd to me that only the DNC had this rule.
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As far as I know, political parties (Dems & Reps) are non-profit, private organizations. They have done a great job convincing people that they are part of the system the founding father's created.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Maybe I'm being ignorant then. Why only do it to the DNC? Does he not have authority to force the same rule upon the RNC? If not, then I understand where you're coming from. I guess I can see it as a "lead by example" effort. At first glance it just seems odd to me that only the DNC had this rule.
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No. How could he? The DNC enforced the noble rule on themselves at Obama's urging during his first run at the Presidency. Obama championed it and urged them to do so as a sign that the party would not be owned by special interests. By baring these contributions from lobbyists/PACs to the DNC it was a step towards ensuring that the party platform and direction would not be influenced by a few with money... ironically, the two candidates left are one who thinks like Obama in this regard, and then one who feels the opposite. Guess which one has the power? I don't think it's a coincidence that money = influence = power, which is like one of the core tenets of the reform Sanders wants across the board.

So this is where Hillary and current DNC leadership significantly breaks with Obama ideology. They want and love the special interest money... Obama did not and thought it was bad for the party.
 
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NDRock said:
As far as I know, political parties (Dems & Reps) are non-profit, private organizations. They have done a great job convincing people that they are part of the system the founding father's created.
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Thanks. So I'll retract my "Obama is an idiot" comment. I can see how he'd be leading by example in this context. I do think that his promises on campaign finance reform came up a bit short though (which shouldn't be too surprising considering the amount of financial support he received during his campaigns.)
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Thanks. So I'll retract my "Obama is an idiot" comment. I can see how he'd be leading by example in this context. I do think that his promises on campaign finance reform came up a bit short though (which shouldn't be too surprising considering the amount of financial support he received during his campaigns.)
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I never trust guys to change a system when they used that very system to get in power in the first place.
 
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IrishLax said:
No. How could he? The DNC enforced the noble rule on themselves at Obama's urging during his first run at the Presidency. Obama championed it and urged them to do so as a sign that the party would not be owned by special interests. By baring these contributions from lobbyists/PACs to the DNC it was a step towards ensuring that the party platform and direction would not be influenced by a few with money... ironically, the two candidates left are one who thinks like Obama in this regard, and then one who feels the opposite. Guess which one has the power? I don't think it's a coincidence that money = influence = power, which is like one of the core tenets of the reform Sanders wants across the board.

So this is where Hillary and current DNC leadership significantly breaks with Obama ideology. They want and love the special interest money... Obama did not and thought it was bad for the party.
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Thanks for the clarification.

Didn't he get a ton of Super PAC support this last election though? That all seems pretty hypocritical to me.
 
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I will try by just using simple words:

Bloviate

Fustian

Heedlessness

Biggity

Benightedness
 
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