2016 Presidential Horse Race

[NorthDakota]

Historical Amount of Revenue by Source

So your position is government should punish business any time they "piss you off" and companies only make money in the US. The 50%+ of S&P 500 earnings earned overseas are all smoke and mirrors?? Can't help you there.

Try this exercise - you can build a house in Ohio or Costa Rica. To move money to Costa Rica in order to build the house they will charge you a 20% tax. If you can build the house for $100,000 in Ohio, you would need to build the same house for $80,000 in Costa Rica in order to make any sense to choose that location. Given cheaper labor and looser building codes maybe that makes sense.

Now flip that to a US company - you want to build a $1 million factory. You have $1 million in Ireland. Ireland will let you ship the money anywhere as you have already paid tax on it and they respect your property rights. The only place you need to be penalized is the US where you foolishly set up your home office operations generations ago. To build in the US you must repatriate that money and pay around $200,000 in tax. As such, you need to borrow $200,000 to build the factory in the US while being able to pay outright elsewhere. And profits from that factory will be taxed at 18% in Ireland or 35% (plus state) in the US.

You do not see how this hurts US job growth and the American middle class? How income taxes and FICA collected might way more than make up for a nominal drop in corporate collections?

Thank you. +1

 

[dales5050]

kinda hard for me to take that seriously...not because of the movement...but because it was said in support of Hillary Clinton. I mean, I don't think she did a great job looking out for women given her treatment of the women on her staff, and ...well, I think she pretty much attacked the ones her husband played grab ass with over the decades...

It's hard to take feminism seriously when this line of thinking is typical and encouraged.

It's a shame that Clinton is the first to make it this far really.

 

[kmoose]

A recent study showed that of 1700 bills, Congress voted in "the People's" best interest less than 1% of the time. It was basically 0%. All the others, they voted in the better interests of their donors. That's not a democracy. That's a plutocracy/oligarchy. And that should be reason enough to vote for a political revolution.

And who decided what was "the people's best interest" in these bills? If there is a bill on the floor to provide complete and total health care to every American, without raising taxes a single penny, but that bill contains an amendment that completely decriminalizes businesses polluting the environment, and I vote against the bill............ did I vote for or against the people? Because if you are a political opponent of mine, your narrative is that I voted to deny healthcare to each and every citizen in the country: When in fact what I voted against was decriminalizing industrial pollution, which I see as voting in the people's best interest.

The only politicians who are beholden to their donors are career politicians. A career politician only makes money based on being a politician. All of the campaign finance reform in the world isn't going to fix that problem. What's going to fix that problem is "we the people" pulling our heads out of our asses and no longer being low hanging fruit.

 

[GoIrish41]

Mexican ex-president: No, we will not pay for Donald Trump's 'stupid wall' - POLITICO

 

[BleedBlueGold]

And who decided what was "the people's best interest" in these bills? If there is a bill on the floor to provide complete and total health care to every American, without raising taxes a single penny, but that bill contains an amendment that completely decriminalizes businesses polluting the environment, and I vote against the bill............ did I vote for or against the people? Because if you are a political opponent of mine, your narrative is that I voted to deny healthcare to each and every citizen in the country: When in fact what I voted against was decriminalizing industrial pollution, which I see as voting in the people's best interest.

The only politicians who are beholden to their donors are career politicians. A career politician only makes money based on being a politician. All of the campaign finance reform in the world isn't going to fix that problem. What's going to fix that problem is "we the people" pulling our heads out of our asses and no longer being low hanging fruit.

I get what you're saying about bills and riders. That's a different subject. I was referring to basic policy. Issues where the overwhelming majority are for one thing, but government does the opposite (catering to it's donors in the process).

http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

Examples of policy issues that the bottom 99% support as a majority in this country:

According to the Common Cause report, Walmart alone and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce spent $14.8 million and $35 million respectively in 2014 advocating against raising the minimum wage, even while 70% of Americans support a national increase. The NRA spent more than $31.4 million in the last election cycle to drive off gun control reforms, even as 90% of citizens have expressed support for background checks. Similar data revealed that big money from the energy sector, major banks, and telecom industry have respectively blocked action on reducing carbon emissions, establishing refinancing plans for student debt relief, and efforts to keep the internet open for everyone.

Common Cause – Studies Show Big Donors Dominated Competitive 2014 Congressional Races


Spending to influence government: https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/

 

[GoIrish41]

Spending to influence government: https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/

This is absolutely disgusting! Any candidate who does not have campaign finance reform at the top of his/her list of things to do once elected should just drop out now!

 

[kmoose]

This is absolutely disgusting! Any candidate who does not have campaign finance reform at the top of his/her list of things to do once elected should just drop out now!

The raw numbers themselves mean nothing. What if you found out that $1B of the $1.21B that "Agriculture" spent, was spent by labor unions to advocate for higher wages and better working conditions for migrant workers? Would your reaction be different?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Historical Amount of Revenue by Source

So your position is government should punish business any time they "piss you off"

oh please..

and companies only make money in the US. The 50%+ of S&P 500 earnings earned overseas are all smoke and mirrors?? Can't help you there.

Try this exercise - you can build a house in Ohio or Costa Rica. To move money to Costa Rica in order to build the house they will charge you a 20% tax. If you can build the house for $100,000 in Ohio, you would need to build the same house for $80,000 in Costa Rica in order to make any sense to choose that location. Given cheaper labor and looser building codes maybe that makes sense.

Now flip that to a US company - you want to build a $1 million factory. You have $1 million in Ireland. Ireland will let you ship the money anywhere as you have already paid tax on it and they respect your property rights. The only place you need to be penalized is the US where you foolishly set up your home office operations generations ago. To build in the US you must repatriate that money and pay around $200,000 in tax. As such, you need to borrow $200,000 to build the factory in the US while being able to pay outright elsewhere. And profits from that factory will be taxed at 18% in Ireland or 35% (plus state) in the US.

You do not see how this hurts US job growth and the American middle class? How income taxes and FICA collected might way more than make up for a nominal drop in corporate collections?

Isn't that assuming the money was generated in Ireland? I am speaking towards the billions made here that is sent to tax havens, that is the practice that pisses me off. Ireland has the population of Los Angeles and on paper Apple has like $180 billion in profits just sitting there. I can't speak for Apple but Microsoft just buys super-safe US Treasuries and plays the waiting game.

Can't I claim that this hurts job growth and the middle class too?

 

[GoIrish41]

The raw numbers themselves mean nothing. What if you found out that $1B of the $1.21B that "Agriculture" spent, was spent by labor unions to advocate for higher wages and better working conditions for migrant workers? Would your reaction be different?

I'd say it was disgusting. Three words ... Publicly ... Funded ... Elections.

 

[kmoose]

I'd say it was disgusting. Three words ... Publicly ... Funded ... Elections.

3 words........... Hell................ Fucking................ No. Where are you going to get the funds for all of the people who want to run for the 535 Congressional seats?

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Mexican ex-president: No, we will not pay for Donald Trump's 'stupid wall' - POLITICO

How much money does the U.S. give to Mexico?


I always assumed trump would cut the amount it would cost to build the wall out of whatever Foreign aid we give them. which in a sense he could spin that as they 'paid' for it.

just a thought.

But I could be simplifying it to much.

 

[Buster Bluth]

3 words........... Hell................ Fucking................ No. Where are you going to get the funds for all of the people who want to run for the 535 Congressional seats?

We're the richest nation in the history of the world, I think we can spare some change for it.

Plus imagine the savings when Congress passes a budget that doesn't have special interests' fingers all over it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

No...go into the power vacuum so that waht you are doing with air strikes and special operators actually has a prayer of achieving the stated goal...to destroy ISIS.

You're bringing a short-term plan to a long-term land.

 

[kmoose]

We're the richest nation in the history of the world, I think we can spare some change for it.

Plus imagine the savings when Congress passes a budget that doesn't have special interests' fingers all over it.

We can't even feed all of the children in this country, so that "we can afford it" dog just won't hunt. And big business will still have their fingers in it, only it will become delayed compensation. Term limits which prohibit career politicians, in conjunction with some modest campaign finance reform, would be much more effective than publicly funded elections.

 

[phgreek]

I get what you're saying about bills and riders. That's a different subject. I was referring to basic policy. Issues where the overwhelming majority are for one thing, but government does the opposite (catering to it's donors in the process).

http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

Examples of policy issues that the bottom 99% support as a majority in this country:



Common Cause – Studies Show Big Donors Dominated Competitive 2014 Congressional Races


Spending to influence government: https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/

Thats alot of Jack...don't you wonder where that money goes though...is it possible it goes only to lobbyists and not in some way directly to sitting congress people, families etc.

 

[phgreek]

You're bringing a short-term plan to a long-term land.

OK...

 

[phgreek]

How much money does the U.S. give to Mexico?


I always assumed trump would cut the amount it would cost to build the wall out of whatever Foreign aid we give them. which in a sense he could spin that as they 'paid' for it.

just a thought.

But I could be simplifying it to much.

...I always assumed that as well...

They are not seriously going to cough up a penny...although I wnder how much of our aid money resides in the person holdings of Calderone...

 

[NorthDakota]

We can't even feed all of the children in this country, so that "we can afford it" dog just won't hunt. And big business will still have their fingers in it, only it will become delayed compensation. Term limits which prohibit career politicians, in conjunction with some modest campaign finance reform, would be much more effective than publicly funded elections.

I'd be interested in hearing about all these starving American children

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Thats alot of Jack...don't you wonder where that money goes though...is it possible it goes only to lobbyists and not in some way directly to sitting congress people, families etc.

Umm what? I do know where it goes. It funds the campaigns to keep these politicians in office. This isn't a conspiracy. It's real. If you think it's "a lot of Jack," well then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[IrishLax]

I'd be interested in hearing about all these starving American children

Mhmm. Child hunger, at least as commonly trotted out in sound bites, is a lie. It's nothing but pure propaganda. Truthfully, it's only about 1% of kids that have any food security issues in this country... not 20% as falsely reported in commercials, etc.

Feeding America: ‘Public service’ lies | New York Post

 

[phgreek]

So...Michael Bloomberg is thinking of running. I read somewhere he is thinking about entering as an Indie.

That wounds the Clinton Machine IMO. So I'm all in...ready to send him money the minute he announces....hehehe.

 

[phgreek]

Kasich/Christie ticket! Who's with me!

well...there is wisdom here. I like Kasich driving the bus...but I like Christie as the man dealing with things like entitlement reform and shrinking government...I saw an interview with Kasich where he said he is delegating the shrinkage of government to the VP...Christie is probably the best person for that job...

 

[NDRock]

well...there is wisdom here. I like Kasich driving the bus...but I like Christie as the man dealing with things like entitlement reform and shrinking government...I saw an interview with Kasich where he said he is delegating the shrinkage of government to the VP...Christie is probably the best person for that job...

What was the last administration that shrunk the federal government/spending?

 

[phgreek]

What was the last administration that shrunk the federal government/spending?

...that didn't follow a war time president...hmmm, good question. Calvin Coolidge...

 

[Rack Em]

well...there is wisdom here. I like Kasich driving the bus...but I like Christie as the man dealing with things like entitlement reform and shrinking government...I saw an interview with Kasich where he said he is delegating the shrinkage of government to the VP...Christie is probably the best person for that job...

Christie shrinking the size of the government?

None of the current candidates are actually serious about shrinking the size of the government. Paul is out of the race.

 

[woolybug25]

Trump isn't building any freaking wall. I don't get why everyone can't see that? He never planned to, he says it to garner votes and rile up a certain demographic. If he won, he would probably fortify and add bodies, then blame Megyn Kelly for not treating him fair. He would still get a result, just not the mind blowing, best ever, strongest and bestest ever wall ever built he promised.

It's like a business deal. Say for instance, I wanted to grab Wiz' mom's butt. That was my entire ask, here's how Trump would ask.

Trump: Hey Wiz. You know that I have extremely firm hands and love women. I'm going to grope your mom and French kiss her over in the kitchen. It's going to be great.

Wiz: Wait... Wut... Fuq no, dude. Get the fuq outta here with that noise.

Trump: Look at your face. So ugly... You're not being fair to me right now.

Wiz: I don't get what's happening right now.

Trump: Of course you don't. Why should we expect less. I'll tell you what... I'll just grab your sweet mother's rear end, and you and I will share a nice steak dinner. How does that sound?

Wiz: You are gentlemen, sir. [\waives mom over]

 

[Irish#1]

Trump isn't building any freaking wall. I don't get why everyone can't see that? He never planned to, he says it to garner votes and rile up a certain demographic. If he won, he would probably fortify and add bodies, then blame Megyn Kelly for not treating him fair. He would still get a result, just not the mind blowing, best ever, strongest and bestest ever wall ever built he promised.

It's like a business deal. Say for instance, I wanted to grab Wiz' mom's butt. That was my entire ask, here's how Trump would ask.

Trump: Hey Wiz. You know that I have extremely firm hands and love women. I'm going to grope your mom and French kiss her over in the kitchen. It's going to be great.

Wiz: Wait... Wut... Fuq no, dude. Get the fuq outta here with that noise.

Trump: Look at your face. So ugly... You're not being fair to me right now.

Wiz: I don't get what's happening right now.

Trump: Of course you don't. Why should we expect less. I'll tell you what... I'll just grab your sweet mother's rear end, and you and I will share a nice steak dinner. How does that sound?

Wiz: You are gentlemen, sir. [\waives mom over]

LMAO........I'd rep ya, but I've got to spread the love first.

 

[Irish#1]

I watched an interview with Sanders the other night. It's really the first time that I have seen him interviewed. I like the guy, personally, and I agree with his idea that we need to get the corruption out of government. I'd like to have a few beers with him and shoot the shit for a couple of hours. But I can't vote for him. I don't think you are going to lower the amount of corruption in government by multiplying the size of the said government the order of magnitude that will be required to administer the programs that he wants like single payer healthcare, government provided college education, etc.

Never going to happen. Been hearing that for many many years and it's still going on.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Thoughts?

Which Republican candidates can make the flat tax work and help the economy? | Fox News

 

[GATTACA!]

Bill Clinton Accuses Bernie Bros of Sexism. Yes, That Bill Clinton.

Hahahahaha the irony.