'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[PANDFAN]

RUMOR PUT TO AN END

RUMOR PUT TO AN END

his sister will be attending Alabama A&M on a track scholarship, not the University of Alabama as was being reported around the web-247

 

[NDdomer2]

TJ Jones has been injured quite a bit and started getting quite a bit more time for the Lions down the stretch of the season.

 

[NDdomer2]

his sister will be attending Alabama A&M on a track scholarship, not the University of Alabama as was being reported around the web-247

so how are they going to attend the same school? Whole story above seems strange now.

 

[Ndaccountant]

NFL College Alumni Tracker - CBSSports.com College Football

Stanford has 3.

NFL College Alumni Tracker - CBSSports.com College Football
ND has 3.

For comparison sake, ND alumni production this year was about 50 catches and 500 yards more than Stanford.

 

[drake29]

I mean, they effectively do have none. Comparing/contrasting is hard, because Kelly obviously shouldn't get credit for Tate for the same reason Shaw shouldn't get credit for Baldwin (although Shaw was at least a position coach/coordinator while Baldwin was there).

Fact is that since Shaw has been at the helm, they don't have a single receiver that has done anything in the pros. I know, I drafted Owusu in my dynasty league and tried to draft Montgomery this year. Owusu has like 20 catches total in 4 years. Montgomery was embarrassingly bad and disappointing this year for where he was drafted, and may get cut sooner rather than later.

The only WR of note that Kelly has put in the pros is Floyd, who has 2750 yards and 17 TDs over the past three seasons despite being slowed a bit by some injuries. And then there is going to be Fuller this year. If Fuller goes in the first, you're talking about two 1st round WRs Kelly has produced in span where Stanford has nothing close to a 1st round WR.

And there is also TJ Jones, who is sort of on par with Owusu and Montgomery as currently being irrelevant in the NFL.

It feels a bit off to me to say that Kelly PRODUCED Floyd. By the time Kellys took over Floyd was already an established top tier player. True, his first two seasons were shortened by injuries but everyone knew he was a first round talent very early on in his ND career. If anything, I guess you would give credit to Kelly's offense allowing Floyd to put up huge numbers. I guess I feel like Floyd was already a beast with very little development required.

 

[Luckylucci]

It feels a bit off to me to say that Kelly PRODUCED Floyd. By the time Kellys took over Floyd was already an established top tier player. True, his first two seasons were shortened by injuries but everyone knew he was a first round talent very early on in his ND career. If anything, I guess you would give credit to Kelly's offense allowing Floyd to put up huge numbers. I guess I feel like Floyd was already a beast with very little development required.

Quite the opposite actually, thats why Floyd ended up staying for his Senior season. By Kelly's words and his, he was a very poor route runner with very little understanding of doing anything other than running fast in a straight line. Thats not a quote but its pretty close to what was said.

 

[dublinirish]

Floyd was a 5 star recruit too so its not like he needed too much moulding. Kelly probably taught Michael more about things off the field and how to carry himself more than anything physical. Arguably TJ Jones is Kelly's best WR in terms of development

 

[drake29]

Quite the opposite actually, thats why Floyd ended up staying for his Senior season. By Kelly's words and his, he was a very poor route runner with very little understanding of doing anything other than running fast in a straight line. Thats not a quote but its pretty close to what was said.

He's still not a great route runner. He doesn't have great burst in short spaces and isn't the most agile guy. I believe that teams drafted him because he was big, strong, fast and could high point the ball like not many can. Not because he's a good route runner.

 

[Luckylucci]

Well Floyd stayed, when he didn't have too, because he believed what Kelly was preaching. All folks involved believe it worked.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Don't forget LSU with Jarvis Landry, OBJ, Reuben Randle, Brandon Lafell, and Dwayne Bowe

Clemson is definitely in the discussion as well between Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins, just off the top of my head.

 

[drake29]

Well Floyd stayed, when he didn't have too, because he believed what Kelly was preaching. All folks involved believe it worked.

I'm not complaining about him coming back at all. Kelly deserves his fair share of credit for getting him to return which is probably most. I just think Floyd had freakish athleticism and that may be why he was drafted where he was. I also think his injury history and the draft class his junior year played a small role in his return. Just my opinions.

 

[dwshade]

Clemson is definitely in the discussion as well between Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins, just off the top of my head.

But Robertson isn't going to either of those schools. It's about receivers from ND, Stanford and Bama.

 

[irishff1014]

This right here is why you can't lose to Stanford. And sounds like the only reason we would get him is be cause he does value academics but ND isn't as good as Stanford.

 

[beryirish]

Tyler James:

Demetris Robertson beats Jordan Fuller deep on an absolute dime from Jawon Pass. The throw beat good coverage.

 

[beryirish]

Army Bowl.

Tyler James:

A linebacker on Demetris Robertson is a death sentence. Brendan Ferns was the latest victim.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Tyler James:

Demetris Robertson beats Jordan Fuller deep on an absolute dime from Jawon Pass. The throw beat good coverage.

I'll take both please!

 

[CanadalovesND]

We put more players in the league, I don't disagree with that. But, we havent been exactly tearing it up sending WRs to the NFL. Since Stovall was drafted (2006), we've only had 3 other WRs drafted... TJ, FLoyd & Tate.

None we're recruited by Kelly, albeit TJ was part of BK's first class mixed with like 75% CW recruits. Granted, TJ & Floyd under the tutelage of BK & co. developed into some fine WRs.

 

[drake29]

Before that did Kelly ever put any talent in the league? Mardy Gilyard?

 

[woolybug25]

We put more players in the league, I don't disagree with that. But, we havent been exactly tearing it up sending WRs to the NFL. Since Stovall was drafted (2006), we've only had 3 other WRs drafted... TJ, FLoyd & Tate.

None we're recruited by Kelly, albeit TJ was part of BK's first class mixed with like 75% CW recruits. Granted, TJ & Floyd under the tutelage of BK & co. developed into some fine WRs.

We will have at least four after this year with Fuller and possibly a sixth with Brown. Compare that to Stanford's three (Baldwin, Owusu and Montgomery) and I would say that we do a better job than them in both quantity and quality.

 

[Luckylucci]

Before that did Kelly ever put any talent in the league? Mardy Gilyard?

Personally, I look more at Kelly's offenses overall than a specific position. He does a very good job of isolating the talent he has and accentuating it. Those years in Cinci, he had Gilyard, isaiah pead, and Travis Kelcie. Thats pretty darn good.

Similar to Riddick, Floyd, and Eifert on the same squad. Thats some serious production on the same team.

 

[woolybug25]

Personally I look less at a specific position versus Kelly's offenses overall. He does a very good job of isolating the talent he has and accentuating it. Those years in Cinci, he had Gilyard, isaiah pead, and Travis Kelcie. Thats pretty darn good.

Don't forget Derek Wolfe in Denver.

 

[Luckylucci]

Don't forget Derek Wolfe in Denver.

I was thinking more about offensive skill but I agree. Joe Staley at CM, Connor Barwin at UC, etc. He's always done well with player development. But if I'm going up to any offensive skill position player I'm going to pitch. Hey, it doesn't matter what position you are WR, TE, RB, we will put you in a position to be successful and here's what we've done in the past and here's what we'll do with you.

The reason I say this is, what if Robertson didn't want to be compared to Fuller, what if he views himself as more of a Floyd type WR (not true, just making a point). Then what you've done is isolate your pitch to one singular thing. Where as, if you say, watch this game and see how we move our guys around and put stress on the defense through x, y, and z. I think that sounds better.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Before that did Kelly ever put any talent in the league? Mardy Gilyard?

Quite a bit actually if you break it down. Notable players drafted from Cincinnati while BK is Gilyard (bust) and Connor Barwin (hit hit hit). Also, Kevin Huber (punter), who was been with the Bengals for 7 season now. However, the guys he recruited there and had been drafted after he left include: Pro Bowl C Jason Kelce, Pro Bowl TE Travis Kelce, and DT Derek Wolfe, who is a pretty good player when healthy. There is also Isaiah Pead, Senior Bowl MVP, and DT John Hughes.

Central Michigan..there is Joe Staley, whom he converted from TE to OT. Staley hated the move when it first happened. I'd say it worked out in the end for him, though. Antonio Brown walked on to the team after BK left.

At Grand Valley State, BK had just one player drafted in his 13 seasons as HC. Coincidentally enough, it was a WR.

 

[woolybug25]

The reason I say this is, what if Robertson didn't want to be compared to Fuller, what if he views himself as more of a Floyd type WR (not true, just making a point). Then what you've done is isolate your pitch to one singular thing. Where as, if you say, watch this game and see how we move our guys around and put stress on the defense through x, y, and z. I think that sounds better.

That's a good point regarding receiver "type" in regards to recruiting pitch. He's recently developed pretty much every type of receiver. He has produced great results in boundary receivers, possession guys and all of them are really good at downfield blocking.

 

[Luckylucci]

That's a good point regarding receiver "type" in regards to recruiting pitch. He's recently developed pretty much every type of receiver. He has produced great results in boundary receivers, possession guys and all of them are really good at downfield blocking.

Yea, I used more words to say less. Right on.

 

[koonja]

All but slot WRs.

 

[Luckylucci]

All but slot WRs.

Theo Riddick was a pretty good slot WR and I bet if you asked him about the reasons he's such a successful pass catching RB in the NFL, one would be that he was put in the slot at ND.

Also, as we've went over before. The slot WR position has been successful while at ND. Maybe just not by one individual player.

 

[drake29]

Quite a bit actually if you break it down. Notable players drafted from Cincinnati while BK is Gilyard (bust) and Connor Barwin (hit hit hit). Also, Kevin Huber (punter), who was been with the Bengals for 7 season now. However, the guys he recruited there and had been drafted after he left include: Pro Bowl C Jason Kelce, Pro Bowl TE Travis Kelce, and DT Derek Wolfe, who is a pretty good player when healthy. There is also Isaiah Pead, Senior Bowl MVP, and DT John Hughes.

Central Michigan..there is Joe Staley, whom he converted from TE to OT. Staley hated the move when it first happened. I'd say it worked out in the end for him, though. Antonio Brown walked on to the team after BK left.

At Grand Valley State, BK had just one player drafted in his 13 seasons as HC. Coincidentally enough, it was a WR.

Sorry to waste your time, I was more curious about WR talent.

 

[drake29]

Personally, I look more at Kelly's offenses overall than a specific position. He does a very good job of isolating the talent he has and accentuating it. Those years in Cinci, he had Gilyard, isaiah pead, and Travis Kelcie. Thats pretty darn good.

Similar to Riddick, Floyd, and Eifert on the same squad. Thats some serious production on the same team.

Kelce really never did anything for Kelly. Kelce had one good season - his senior year - and that was after Kelly was long gone to ND.

 

[stlnd01]

One thing Kelly has done throughout his time at Notre Dame is develop receivers who can block downfield. Have to think that is a skill they look for as well at the next level.