2016 Presidential Horse Race

[woolybug25]

I went on a date this weekend with a girl whose father spent 25 years in the Secret Service. He was on her detail for a few years. There are stories. Hillary Clinton is far more appalling than what most Americans know on the surface.

I'm not surprised at all that you would one day use the ol' "I heard it from a guy" rationale for why Hillary is so sinister.

What I am surprised about is that you found a poor girl to go on a date with you though.

 

[wizards8507]

So if Republicans take the White House are you calling a majority of the American voters "uninformed" and the "lowest common denominator"?

If it's Trump, I'll absolutely sign my name to that description of Americans.

Ted Cruz is brilliant.

 

[Grahambo]

I went on a date this weekend with a girl whose father spent 25 years in the Secret Service. He was on her detail for a few years. There are stories. Hillary Clinton is far more appalling than what most Americans know on the surface.

I'm not surprised at all that you would one day use the ol' "I heard it from a guy" rationale for why Hillary is so sinister.

What I am surprised about is that you found a poor girl to go on a date with you though.

I was in the Secret Service for 4 years and there are unbelievable stories from time's before me and while I was there.

Needless to say, she's a terrible person.

 

[woolybug25]

I was in the Secret Service for 4 years and there are unbelievable stories from time's before me and while I was there.

Needless to say, she's a terrible person.

Is Leppy dating your daughter?

 

[GoIrish41]

So if Republicans take the White House are you calling a majority of the American voters "uninformed" and the "lowest common denominator"?

If Trump and Cruz take the White House, then yes, that would be among my first thoughts. But I think we all know that isn't happening. No way either of those two win a general election, let alone both of them on the same ticket. So, as I watch this clusterf*ck that is the Republican primary unfold, I just shake my head and smile because Trump and Cruz are out in front. I have been closely following politics for almost 40 years, and I have never seen anything so bizarre and ridiculous. What a dysfunctional party! If the GOP hates Hillary so much, they might consider nominating someone who actually has a chance to beat her. These two jackholes don't have a shot in hell at taking the White House.

 

[Grahambo]

Is Leppy dating your daughter?

She's 8 so I hope not.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I'm not surprised at all that you would one day use the ol' "I heard it from a guy" rationale for why Hillary is so sinister.

What I am surprised about is that you found a poor girl to go on a date with you though.

Still don't give a damn about what a guy I've never met on an ND website thinks about me haha

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If Trump and Cruz take the White House, then yes, that would be among my first thoughts. But I think we all know that isn't happening. No way either of those two win a general election, let alone both of them on the same ticket. So, as I watch this clusterf*ck that is the Republican primary unfold, I just shake my head and smile because Trump and Cruz are out in front. I have been closely following politics for almost 40 years, and I have never seen anything so bizarre and ridiculous. What a dysfunctional party! If the GOP hates Hillary so much, they might consider nominating someone who actually has a chance to beat her. These two jackholes don't have a shot in hell at taking the White House.

You can predict so much the rest of us can't. Impressive.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Who determined that climate change is a greater threat to us than a global jihad, economic collapse, border security, etc?

The people who put two and two together to realize climate change makes all of those exponentially worse/common.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The people who put two and two together to realize climate change makes all of those exponentially worse/common.

Who are these people? What kind of majority are they in the US? What GoIrish said is 100% subjective. There is zero concrete evidence that out of all the shit going on in our country and all the threats we face every day...that climate change is unequivocally the greatest challenge/ threat of our time. Bullshit.

 

[woolybug25]

Who are these people? What kind of majority are they in the US? What GoIrish said is 100% subjective. There is zero concrete evidence that out of all the shit going on in our country and all the threats we face every day...that climate change is unequivocally the greatest challenge/ threat of our time. Bullshit.

Why don't you google why people are saying that. It actually does make a lot of sense when you consider all of the factors and potential consequences before ranting and raving.

 

[GoIrish41]

Who are these people? What kind of majority are they in the US? What GoIrish said is 100% subjective. There is zero concrete evidence that out of all the shit going on in our country and all the threats we face every day...that climate change is unequivocally the greatest challenge/ threat of our time. Bullshit.

You can't seriously be this clueless! The poles are melting which will make sea levels rise, making it inevitable that some of the most populated areas in the country and the world will be under water. We can barely manage the Syrian refugee crisis. What are we going to do when refugee numbers are hundreds or thousands of times greater? Nearly every climate scientist alive agrees on this. The planet is in peril. Nothing is more urgent no matter how many idiots believe that it isn't really happening.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Why don't you google why people are saying that. It actually does make a lot of sense when you consider all of the factors and potential consequences before ranting and raving.

I'm not denying the issue. I'm just questioning how he talks about this issue as if it's a black and white matter on what really is our biggest threat.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You can't seriously be this clueless! The poles are melting which will make sea levels rise, making it inevitable that some of the most populated areas in the country and the world will be under water. We can barely manage the Syrian refugee crisis. What are we going to do when refugee numbers are hundreds or thousands of times greater? Nearly every climate scientist alive agrees on this. The planet is in peril. Nothing is more urgent no matter how many idiots believe that it isn't really happening.

Damn: and they say the Republicans are the fear mongerers lol

Not going to argue science with you. It's not my field and not yours either. That debate between the "experts" will continue for years. I just don't see how anyone can say for certain that climate change is a bigger threat than some ISIS dude crossing our border with a chemical weapon. I pray to God it doesn't happen, but the way you talk about climate change versus all the other "challenges" we face as a nation is questionable.

 

[pkt77242]

Damn: and they say the Republicans are the fear mongerers lol

Not going to argue science with you. It's not my field and not yours either. That debate between the "experts" will continue for years. I just don't see how anyone can say for certain that climate change is a bigger threat than some ISIS dude crossing our border with a chemical weapon. I pray to God it doesn't happen, but the way you talk about climate change versus all the other "challenges" we face as a nation is questionable.

Um there really isn't a debate amongst experts. So what are you talking about?

 

[phgreek]

Damn: and they say the Republicans are the fear mongerers lol

Not going to argue science with you. It's not my field and not yours either. That debate between the "experts" will continue for years. I just don't see how anyone can say for certain that climate change is a bigger threat than some ISIS dude crossing our border with a chemical weapon. I pray to God it doesn't happen, but the way you talk about climate change versus all the other "challenges" we face as a nation is questionable.

...Dude al-Qaeda is on the run, and ISIS is the JV team...Our President said so. So this terrorist thing is fear mongering by the right...Stop it...because I don't know how to handle someone who can dynamically evaluate risks and come to the conclusion one might be more important in the short run...

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Um there really isn't a debate amongst experts. So what are you talking about?

You could find dozens of articles from "experts" saying climate change is a real big effin deal and we're in big trouble. And I could find some that say the opposite or that the issue isn't as significant as many say it is.

This isn't a clear cut, 4+4 = 8, black and white issue.

For example, Americans in this poll 4 months old were asked what the biggest threat is facing our country: New Graphs Reveal What Americans Think the 3 Biggest Threats Are. Climate Change Didn’t Make the Cut

ISIS: 68%
Iran's nuclear program: 62%
Cyber attacks: 59%
global economic instability: 51%
Russia: 41%
Climate change: 40%
China: 30%

 

[Cackalacky]

Who are these people? What kind of majority are they in the US? What GoIrish said is 100% subjective. There is zero concrete evidence that out of all the shit going on in our country and all the threats we face every day...that climate change is unequivocally the greatest challenge/ threat of our time. Bullshit.

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

Here you go big guy. This is virtually most everything you can read on what we know, how we know it, why it's a problem, what it means and also the most common rebuttals to all manner of baseless attacks on the science's credibility and methodology.

But I post this knowing full well most everybody I provide this to won't spend more than a few minutes wading through the information because you don't truly have a desire to challenge your preconception.

And what you are really arguing is basically scale of damage and time frame. Immediate threat with limited scope of damage over a short time period... terrorism. Massive timescale destruction of all humanity and our ability to exist on this planet over a few decades... climate change. The end all is that climate change will end our existence over the whole globe, not just a few neighborhoods in a few cities.And opinion polls mean Jack squat when half the population is in full blown denial.

The Penagon is already preparing for it in its threat assessments
Pentagon Spending Tax Money Preparing for “Climate Change”

U.S. Military Forges Ahead with Plans to Combat Climate Change - Scientific American

Nasa has begun relocating facilities to higher ground at some its more threatened locations, particularly Florida.

 

[IrishinSyria]

You could find dozens of articles from "experts" saying climate change is a real big effin deal and we're in big trouble. And I could find some that say the opposite or that the issue isn't as significant as many say it is.

This isn't a clear cut, 4+4 = 8, black and white issue.

For example, Americans in this poll 4 months old were asked what the biggest threat is facing our country: New Graphs Reveal What Americans Think the 3 Biggest Threats Are. Climate Change Didn’t Make the Cut

ISIS: 68%
Iran's nuclear program: 62%
Cyber attacks: 59%
global economic instability: 51%
Russia: 41%
Climate change: 40%
China: 30%

How does that prove anything.

The mechanisms of global warming are clear. The vast preponderance of evidence supports the theory.

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[GoIrish41]

Damn: and they say the Republicans are the fear mongerers lol

Not going to argue science with you. It's not my field and not yours either. That debate between the "experts" will continue for years. I just don't see how anyone can say for certain that climate change is a bigger threat than some ISIS dude crossing our border with a chemical weapon. I pray to God it doesn't happen, but the way you talk about climate change versus all the other "challenges" we face as a nation is questionable.

A chemical weapon coming across the border would be terrible ... No doubt. And depending on the agent it could kill hundreds, thousands even. And as terrible as that prospect is, it would be exceedingly difficult to pull off because a hefty percentage of government resources is dedicated to keeping something like this from happening, detection technologies are more effective than ever and police and first responders are more prepared than ever to deal with it should it happen.

Climate change, on the other hand, has already begun. Droughts in California have lowered the water tables, which would take decades to recover under the best conditions. A huge amount of the nation's food supply comes from there. Increasingly devestating storms are brewing in the Atlantic each year. If you have any interest in seeing the Florida Keys, sooner is better because they likely will not exist at some point in your lifetime. The entire eastern seaboard is likely to retract if we don't deal with this problem NOW! Some say it may be too late already, but one thing seems clear, delay does not seem a prudent course of action because there are "big important things" to distract us.

How many folks do you think live on the East Coast? Whats going to happen when they all have to push west because the land is disappearing into the Atlantic? The areas we are talking about are among the most populated in the country. (Good thing for me I'm sitting on sweet waterfront property .... in Central PA.) This is not something that might happen .... It is going to happen unless we act.

Climate change may not be as sudden and shocking as a bomb, but it is many orders of magnitude more devestating to the country and the world. It is also much much more difficult to deal with than ISIS. I'm not saying terrorism is unimportant, but it pales in comparison to climate change. Good thing we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

Here you go big guy. This is virtually most everything you can read on what we know, how we know it, why it's a problem, what it means and also the most common rebuttals to all manner of baseless attacks on the science's credibility and methodology.

But I post this knowing full well most everybody I provide this to won't spend more than a few minutes wading through the information because you don't truly have a desire to challenge your preconception.

And what you are really arguing is basically scale of damage and time frame. Immediate threat with limited scope of damage over a short time period... terrorism. Massive timescale destruction of all humanity and our ability to exist on this planet over a few decades... climate change. The end all is that climate change will end our existence over the whole globe, not just a few neighborhoods in a few cities.And opinion polls mean Jack squat when half the population is in full blown denial.

The Penagon is already preparing for it in its threat assessments
Pentagon Spending Tax Money Preparing for “Climate Change�

U.S. Military Forges Ahead with Plans to Combat Climate Change - Scientific American

Nasa has begun relocating facilities to higher ground at some its more threatened locations, particularly Florida.

A chemical weapon coming across the border would be terrible ... No doubt. And depending on the agent it could kill hundreds, thousands even. And as terrible as that prospect is, it would be exceedingly difficult to pull off because a hefty percentage of government resources is dedicated to keeping something like this from happening, detection technologies are more effective than ever and police and first responders are more prepared than ever to deal with it should it happen. Climate change, on the other hand, has already begun. Droughts in California have lowered the water tables, which would take decades to recover under the best conditions. A huge amount of the nation's food supply comes from there. Increasingly devestating storms are brewing in the Atlantic each year. If you have any interest in seeing the Florida Keys, sooner is better because they likely will not exist at some point in your lifetime. The entire eastern seaboard is likely to retract if we don't deal with this problem NOW! Some say it may be too late already, but one thing seems clear, delay does not seem a prudent course of action because there are "big important things" to distract us. How many folks do you think live on the East Coast? Whats going to happen when they all have to push west because the land is disappearing into the Atlantic? The areas we are talking about are among the most populated in the country. This is not something that might happen .... It is going to happen unless we act. Climate change may not be as sudden and shocking as a bomb, but it is many orders of magnitude more devestating to the country and the world. It is also much much more difficult to deal with than ISIS. I'm not saying terrorism is unimportant, but it pales in comparison to climate change. Good thing we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

Is it just me or did it get all Ferngully up in here? Amirite?

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[Polish Leppy 22]

Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined

Here you go big guy. This is virtually most everything you can read on what we know, how we know it, why it's a problem, what it means and also the most common rebuttals to all manner of baseless attacks on the science's credibility and methodology.

But I post this knowing full well most everybody I provide this to won't spend more than a few minutes wading through the information because you don't truly have a desire to challenge your preconception.

And what you are really arguing is basically scale of damage and time frame. Immediate threat with limited scope of damage over a short time period... terrorism. Massive timescale destruction of all humanity and our ability to exist on this planet over a few decades... climate change. The end all is that climate change will end our existence over the whole globe, not just a few neighborhoods in a few cities.And opinion polls mean Jack squat when half the population is in full blown denial.

The Penagon is already preparing for it in its threat assessments
Pentagon Spending Tax Money Preparing for “Climate Change”

U.S. Military Forges Ahead with Plans to Combat Climate Change - Scientific American

Nasa has begun relocating facilities to higher ground at some its more threatened locations, particularly Florida.

Good stuff to look into. And no I'm not being an ass.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

How does that prove anything.

The mechanisms of global warming are clear. The vast preponderance of evidence supports the theory.

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The poll I linked wasn't meant to prove anything. It was meant to show that the majority of Americans think other "challenges" we face are more important right now than climate change. And that poll was 4 months old, before Paris and San Bernardino.

 

[GoIrish41]

The poll I linked wasn't meant to prove anything. It was meant to show that the majority of Americans think other "challenges" we face are more important right now than climate change. And that poll was 4 months old, before Paris and San Bernardino.

I think the point is that no matter how many people "think" something is more important, there is nothing more important.

 

[Cackalacky]

Good stuff to look into. And no I'm not being an ass.

I was not implying you were but I have had little success in the matter before and all I ask is at least spend some time with that info since you asked. I know for a fact that there are some common canards you wil have heard or seen before that are addressed there and maybe you wil see that there is significant validity to the situation.There is a bunch of info there to go through but it's all legit and easy to read.

I would be more than happy to address, clarify, or answer any questions you may have. While I did not specifically perform climate change studies or work, a significant portion of my education and prior work experience involved many aspects of the science's used to study CC.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think the point is that no matter how many people "think" something is more important, there is nothing more important.

Yet again we're just going to agree to disagree. What YOU think is more important doesn't mean those who disagree with you aren't as intelligent/ informed/ educated as you.

 

[GoIrish41]

Yet again we're just going to agree to disagree. What YOU think is more important doesn't mean those who disagree with you aren't as intelligent/ informed/ educated as you.

yeah, it kinda does!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Yet again we're just going to agree to disagree. What YOU think is more important doesn't mean those who disagree with you aren't as intelligent/ informed/ educated as you.

Not by default. But many of those polled don't believe climate change is even a thing. That's often not because they're uninformed. It's often because they're misinformed.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Who determined that climate change is a greater threat to us than a global jihad, economic collapse, border security, etc?

You're weighing the consequences of having a leaky border to that of a global disaster in which 1000s of plants and animals will die, by our own doing?

Hahahah

The human bias is strong with this one's ego.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not by default. But many of those polled don't believe climate change is even a thing. That's often not because they're uninformed. It's often because they're misinformed.

Right. And the very people who are behind the misinformation campaigns are profiting big time from the status quo and paying off politician to keep the pump primed. It is disgusting.