2016 Presidential Horse Race

[woolybug25]

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You have to admit he is entertaining.

Because that has to be top trait for the most important job in the world.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Nice to see Kasich fighting back. In his new campaign video:



video in link:
Kasich goes after Trump with tough video | MSNBC

Trump responds as expected... just made fun of Kasich's poll numbers...

As far as attack ads go, that's a very good one.

 

[IrishinSyria]

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I not sure I agree. Sanders is considered a socialist because he admits to being one. Also consider that JFK proposed cutting income taxes to stimulate the economy and said "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." Imagine a Democratic candidate proposing to cut income taxes and making a similar statement today, he would probably be labeled a right wing fascist.

Obama on public service:

Public service is a calling which has meant so much to so many. It embodies our sense of shared values and reflects our drive to serve a cause beyond our own -- to give back to our Nation, leave our mark, and nudge history forward. There is no greater opportunity to help more people or to make a bigger difference.

 

[wizards8507]

As far as attack ads go, that's a very good one.

That's a horrifying attack ad. First, the whole thing is a paraphrase of Martin Niemöller's "First they came..." poem. In other words, Kasich is calling Trump a Nazi. Second, each statement is a complete mischaracterization of Trump's position. Illegal immigration, for example, has nothing to do with race as the ad implies. Trump would deport white illegal immigrants right along with the Hispanic ones, it just so happens that the southern border is largely populated with Hispanics. Third, Kasich is running in the fucking REPUBLICAN primary. He's completely tone deaf, essentially running to the left of Hillary Clinton on immigration and national security.

 

[IrishinSyria]

That's a horrifying attack ad. First, the whole thing is a paraphrase of Martin Niemöller's "First they came..." poem. In other words, Kasich is calling Trump a Nazi. Second, each statement is a complete mischaracterization of Trump's position. Illegal immigration, for example, has nothing to do with race as the ad implies. Trump would deport white illegal immigrants right along with the Hispanic ones, it just so happens that the southern border is largely populated with Hispanics. Third, Kasich is running in the fucking REPUBLICAN primary. He's completely tone deaf, essentially running to the left of Hillary Clinton on immigration and national security.

Trump's views are incompatible with conservative values if conservative means limited government.

Was it a mischaracterization of Trump's views to say that he would register all Muslims? The poem's about more than the holocaust, it's about accepting injustice when it doesn't hurt you.

 

[wizards8507]

Trump's views are incompatible with conservative values if conservative means limited government.

Was it a mischaracterization of Trump's views to say that he would register all Muslims? The poem's about more than the holocaust, it's about accepting injustice when it doesn't hurt you.

I said the ad is shit and dishonest. That doesn't mean I think Trump is a conservative or would make a good President.

Ironically, Trump supporters make the same logical fallacy. They hate the media and the Republican establishment, but the fact that the media and the Republican establishment hate Trump is not, in itself, a credential.

 

[BGIF]

Harrison Ford?

He was a Michigan fan.

 

[BGIF]

CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again - CNNPolitics.com

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 10:29 AM ET, Fri December 4, 2015

(CNN)Donald Trump is once again alone at the top of the Republican field, according to the latest CNN/ORC Poll, with 36% of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents behind him, while his nearest competitor trails by 20 points.

Three candidates cluster behind Trump in the mid-teens, including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 16%, former neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 14% and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 12%. All other candidates have the support of less than 5% of GOP voters in the race for the Republican Party's nomination for president.

Carson (down 8 points since October), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (down 5 points to 3%) and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (down 4 points to 1%) have lost the most ground since the last CNN/ORC poll, conducted in mid-October.

Cruz (up 12 points) and Trump (up 9 points) are the greatest beneficiaries of those declines. Rubio is also up slightly, gaining 4 points -- an increase within the poll's margin of sampling error -- since the last CNN/ORC poll.

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More at the link

 

[BGIF]

CNN/ORC Poll: Trump alone at the top again - CNNPolitics.com

The poll reflects Trump's dominance over the rest of the field on the issues voters deem most important to them. He holds massive margins over other Republicans as the candidate most trusted to handle the economy (at 55%, Trump stands 46 percentage points over his nearest competitor), the federal budget (51%, up 41 points), illegal immigration (48%, up 34 points), ISIS (46%, up 31 points) and foreign policy (30%, up 13 points).

Looking at those Republicans who consider each issue to be "extremely important" to their vote, Trump's standing on each issue is even stronger. Among those Republican voters who call the economy extremely important, for example, 60% say they trust Trump to handle that issue. Among immigration voters, 55% trust Trump on the issue. On foreign policy, Trump inches up to 32%, and among those who call terrorism an extremely important issue, 49% say they trust Trump most on ISIS.

 

[wizards8507]

Looks like the Carson surge is over, which is absolutely fantastic. Time for the pretenders to start dropping out and let the big boys play. Get Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Christie on the same stage and we'll have an amazing debate. The renegade mogul, the firebrand hardliner, the inspirational Hispanic, and the no-nonsense governor. Brilliant.

 

[BGIF]

Looks like the Carson surge is over, which is absolutely fantastic. Time for the pretenders to start dropping out and let the big boys play. Get Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Christie on the same stage and we'll have an amazing debate. The renegade mogul, the firebrand hardliner, the inspirational Hispanic, and the no-nonsense governor. Brilliant.

???

Carson is in 3rd place, 2 points behind Cruz and 2 points ahead of Rubio.

Christie is down with the Bush as a bottom feeder

 

[wizards8507]

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Carson is in 3rd place, 2 points behind Cruz and 2 points ahead of Rubio.

Christie is down with the Bush as a bottom feeder

In the national poll, you're right. But Christie just got the New Hampshire Union Leader endorsement and is surging in New Hampshire. I'd wager he wins that state and that'll give him a huge leg up in terms of fundraising and momentum.

Carson's problem is that there's a three-way split for the anti-establishment vote. He doesn't have Trump's charisma nor Cruz' intellectual heft so he's going to be left behind. The "semifinals" will be Trump and Cruz on the anti-establishment side with Rubio and Christie on the establishment side.

 

[Cackalacky]

Rubio: Don't Keep People On No-Fly List From Buying Guns | ThinkProgress

 

[kmoose]

Harrison Ford?

A sniveling coward......... Now THIS is Presidential.........

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[ickythump1225]

Trump/Cruz 2016. I haven't been this excited about a presidential campaign since...well ever. We're finally having real conversations on border security, our trade agenda, and a whole slew of issues that don't begin in the left wing and media defined paradigm.

 

[Cackalacky]

Leaked memo from Ward Baker to Senior NRC staff on Trump

This is a must read.

 

[BGIF]

Leaked memo from Ward Baker to Senior NRC staff on Trump

This is a must read.

Why?

Because Trump is supposed to be businessman Willkie and Hillary is supposed to be the two term incumbent president that lead the US from the depths of the Great Depression into World War?

 

[GoIrish41]

Leaked memo from Ward Baker to Senior NRC staff on Trump

This is a must read.

I read, "concede the White House if Trump wins and focus on Congress and getting voters excited about lesser races. If he's going to win the election it will not be because we helped him do it." Honestly it is the only play if he wins the nomination. Strange times in the Republican Party.

 

[Cackalacky]

Why?

Because Trump is supposed to be businessman Willkie and Hillary is supposed to be the two term incumbent president that lead the US from the depths of the Great Depression into World War?

BGIF, I don't know what is going on with you but you routinely post responses like this to my posts. Can you not imagine why in the world I would post a leaked memo to the RNC about a candidate they don't want winning? You can't imagine why it would be interesting to have a peek at what the RNCs play book is? Seriously this like the third or fourth time recently that you quote me and then act like I did something wrong. If I have done something to piss you off then spill it. I am sure it was uintentional as I have mad respect for you.

So to be clear, I posted this a s a must read because it's quite clearly important for the election as it outlines how the republicans are planning to handle trump and how they "relate" to Main Street America. I apologize if you are unable to see why this is a must read.

 

[pkt77242]

Trump/Cruz 2016. I haven't been this excited about a presidential campaign since...well ever. We're finally having real conversations on border security, our trade agenda, and a whole slew of issues that don't begin in the left wing and media defined paradigm.

? Don't you mean lots of fear mongering. Also the left wing and media defined paradigm is funny. You do realize that there is more watchers of Fox News than CNN and MSNBC combined right?

 

[GoIrish41]

Sanders' take-no-prisoners climate plan demonstrates the right kind of urgency needed to deal with the defining challenge of our time. Bravo Bernie!


Bernie Sanders Unveils Forceful Climate Change Plan, And He's Going After Big Oil

“Right now, we have an energy policy that is rigged to boost the profits of big oil companies like Exxon, BP, and Shell at the expense of average Americans,” Sanders said in a statement. “CEO’s are raking in record profits while climate change ravages our planet and our people -- all because the wealthiest industry in the history of our planet has bribed politicians into complacency in the face of climate change.”

 

[GoIrish41]

Trump/Cruz 2016. I haven't been this excited about a presidential campaign since...well ever. We're finally having real conversations on border security, our trade agenda, and a whole slew of issues that don't begin in the left wing and media defined paradigm.

The only thing worst than Trump OR Cruz is Trump AND Cruz. Those "real conversations" have no actual substance. Trump and to a lesser degree Cruz represent the uninformed opinions of America's lowest common denominator. This ticket would virtually guarantee a Democrat in the White House, and could flip both houses of Congress in the process.

 

[phgreek]

Saw the president's fireside last night...I know I slept way better.

More of THAT from HRC...WOOHOO!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Sanders' take-no-prisoners climate plan demonstrates the right kind of urgency needed to deal with the defining challenge of our time. Bravo Bernie!


Bernie Sanders Unveils Forceful Climate Change Plan, And He's Going After Big Oil

“Right now, we have an energy policy that is rigged to boost the profits of big oil companies like Exxon, BP, and Shell at the expense of average Americans,” Sanders said in a statement. “CEO’s are raking in record profits while climate change ravages our planet and our people -- all because the wealthiest industry in the history of our planet has bribed politicians into complacency in the face of climate change.”

Me likey. Hopefully Bernie can continue to grow his numbers. Where is he in the polls?

 

[GoIrish41]

Me likey. Hopefully Bernie can continue to grow his numbers. Where is he in the polls?

Last I looked he was about half of Hillary's numbers -- around 30-something percent.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sanders' take-no-prisoners climate plan demonstrates the right kind of urgency needed to deal with the defining challenge of our time. Bravo Bernie!


Bernie Sanders Unveils Forceful Climate Change Plan, And He's Going After Big Oil

“Right now, we have an energy policy that is rigged to boost the profits of big oil companies like Exxon, BP, and Shell at the expense of average Americans,” Sanders said in a statement. “CEO’s are raking in record profits while climate change ravages our planet and our people -- all because the wealthiest industry in the history of our planet has bribed politicians into complacency in the face of climate change.”

Who determined that climate change is the defining challenge of our time?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I went on a date this weekend with a girl whose father spent 25 years in the Secret Service. He was on her detail for a few years. There are stories. Hillary Clinton is far more appalling than what most Americans know on the surface.

 

[GoIrish41]

Who determined that climate change is the defining challenge of our time?

Science

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The only thing worst than Trump OR Cruz is Trump AND Cruz. Those "real conversations" have no actual substance. Trump and to a lesser degree Cruz represent the uninformed opinions of America's lowest common denominator. This ticket would virtually guarantee a Democrat in the White House, and could flip both houses of Congress in the process.

So if Republicans take the White House are you calling a majority of the American voters "uninformed" and the "lowest common denominator"?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Science

Who determined that climate change is a greater threat to us than a global jihad, economic collapse, border security, etc?