College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[IrishHokie22]

Schedule doesn't really matter at this point. It's not like if we beat Stanford then everyone is going to say "Yeah, but Navy, Pitt, and BC lost this weekend!"

Beat Stanford, hope OU (or Bama/UF) loses. That's the ticket.

 

[dad4aa]

Yeah it's taking a bath. Doubt we have enough of an edge to make the playoffs and not sure we really deserve it.

In most years, I would agree. But with how everyone else is playing I can't see that yet. We know MSU or Iowa should drop below us after the B1G championship. That leaves us at 5 and Oklahoma at 4. Beating a dead horse here but I don't see them "earning" it over us.

Current info with both winning today:

ND Oklahoma
SOS : 29 37
Record: 11-1 11-1
Opponents record: 73-64 74-63
Bowl eligible: 6 7
Common opponent: 1-0 0-1
Loss: Clemson (away) Texas (home)

Not sure how this puts Oklahoma in over us.

 

[gkIrish]

In most years, I would agree. But with how everyone else is playing I can't see that yet. We know MSU or Iowa should drop below us after the B1G championship. That leaves us at 5 and Oklahoma at 4. Beating a dead horse here but I don't see them "earning" it over us.

Current info with both winning today:

ND Oklahoma
SOS 29 37
Record 11-1 11-1
Opponents record 73-66 74-65
Bowl eligible 6 7
Common oppon 1-0 0-1
Loss Clemson (away) Texas (home)

Not sure how this puts Oklahoma in over us.

With TCU winning they will have 3 top 20 wins compared to our 1 for starters.

 

[Wingman Ray]

So is the media and committee gonna punish Clemson now for barely beating a 3 win team that lost to a D2 team last week or does that just apply to ND?

 

[wizards8507]

In most years, I would agree. But with how everyone else is playing I can't see that yet. We know MSU or Iowa should drop below us after the B1G championship. That leaves us at 5 and Oklahoma at 4. Beating a dead horse here but I don't see them "earning" it over us.

Current info with both winning today:

ND Oklahoma
SOS : 29 37
Record: 11-1 11-1
Opponents record: 73-64 74-63
Bowl eligible: 6 7
Common opponent: 1-0 0-1
Loss: Clemson (away) Texas (home)

Not sure how this puts Oklahoma in over us.

Oklahoma played ten power five opponents. We played nine. Temple and Navy inflate our opponents' record, but against whom did their wins come?

 

[dad4aa]

With TCU winning they will have 3 top 20 wins compared to our 1 for starters.

Sorry but I stated earlier I don't like the "SEC style ranking" where the only ranked opponents you play are in your conference becuase you schedule soft OOC to boost your own ranking.

Besides, we have 3 top 25 right now (assuming Stanford win) and if USC wins we could get 4.

 

[wizards8507]

Sorry but I stated earlier I don't like the "SEC style ranking" where the only ranked opponents you play are in your conference becuase you schedule soft OOC to boost your own ranking.

Take off your homer glasses. Oklahoma played two group of five schools and an SEC school. We played three group of five schools.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

In most years, I would agree. But with how everyone else is playing I can't see that yet. We know MSU or Iowa should drop below us after the B1G championship. That leaves us at 5 and Oklahoma at 4. Beating a dead horse here but I don't see them "earning" it over us.

Current info with both winning today:

ND Oklahoma
SOS : 29 37
Record: 11-1 11-1
Opponents record: 73-66 74-65
Bowl eligible: 6 7
Common opponent: 1-0 0-1
Loss: Clemson (away) Texas (home)

Not sure how this puts Oklahoma in over us.

One of the things I was trying to say last night (very ineffectively) is that the SOS is certainly an important measure. That's what Johnny was posting about. But this year, it speaks mostly to the fact that ND hasn't played anyone that is terrible. It doesn't mean there are any great wins. It's not ND's fault that Texas is terrible, USC has lost four times, etc. Stanford would be the signature win.

That said, I'd have a real problem with OK getting in ahead of us, given the common opponent.

 

[dad4aa]

Take off your homer glasses. Oklahoma played two group of five schools and an SEC school. We played three group of five schools.

Don't have homer glasses ESPN boy.

 

[wizards8507]

Don't have homer glasses ESPN boy.

Oh! Zing! I have what many sports fans would consider a dream job and I'm supposed to be ashamed of it around here. Give me a break.

 

[gkIrish]

Sorry but I stated earlier I don't like the "SEC style ranking" where the only ranked opponents you play are in your conference becuase you schedule soft OOC to boost your own ranking.

Besides, we have 3 top 25 right now (assuming Stanford win) and if USC wins we could get 4.

Navy is dropping out and Temple will not be in the top 20. Hence 1 (Stanford) top 20 win.

 

[dad4aa]

Oh! Zing! I have what many sports fans would consider a dream job and I'm supposed to be ashamed of it around here. Give me a break.

Exactly, been stated on here a million times who has the homer glasses. It's just not for a team.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yeah, I mean the nightmare scenario a few people identified 3 weeks ago is playing out. Our schedule got shredded by the return of Oregon and the regression to the mean of Navy and Temple, and there wasn't enough chaos in the Power 5 conferences.

 

[dad4aa]

Navy is dropping out and Temple will not be in the top 20. Hence 1 (Stanford) top 20 win.

Good point. Didn't take into account the changes after this week's losses. But how does this OOC scheduling boost a team's ranking when the conferences ONLY ranked opponents are all in their own conference:

Oklahoma OOC: Akron, Tennessee, Tulsa
Oklahoma State OOC: CMU, UCA, UTSA
Baylor OOC: SMU, LAM, Rice
TCU OOC: Minn, SFA, SMU

The only potential ranked team is Tennessee.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Good point. Didn't take into account the changes after this week's losses. But how does this OOC scheduling boost a team's ranking when the conferences ONLY ranked opponents are all in their own conference:

Oklahoma OOC: Akron, Tennessee, Tulsa
Oklahoma State OOC: CMU, UCA, UTSA
Baylor OOC: SMU, LAM, Rice
TCU OOC: Minn, SFA, SMU

The only potential ranked team is Tennessee.

Oklahoma State's OOC is so pathetic that the committee might punish them for it. Not worried about Baylor/TCU because they're both cooked at this point. Oklahoma's OOC is well within the "acceptable" level, and Tenn will be a ranked team and the end of the year, so we really really need Oklahoma to lose.

 

[MNIrishman]

Oh! Zing! I have what many sports fans would consider a dream job and I'm supposed to be ashamed of it around here. Give me a break.

What? How many people really aspire to be a bean counter for the mothership?

 

[dang227]

I just want to beat smug fvck face Shaw tonight and then let the chips fall where they may. There is not telling what this committee will do. Once they make the picks for the final four they will justify it any way they want anyhow.

 

[wizards8507]

Exactly, been stated on here a million times who has the homer glasses. It's just not for a team.

What exactly is the ESPN bias that leads me to conclude that Oklahoma deserves a playoff spot over ND? That's not even within The Official ESPN Hater's Handbook (TM). It's not like I'm pumping up the SEC. I've been bashing the Big 12 all year when it looked like it would be TCU or Baylor to emerge, but Oklahoma doesn't share the flaws of those teams. Go back and look. Starting in the WEEK ONE upset and vBook threads, I was ridiculing Baylor and TCU for whupping on inferior opponents while playing no one but each other. I beat that drum with each week's poll when everyone else was crying about SEC bias. All year I've been as anti-Big 12 as you can get, but Oklahoma is the one team that has proven to be an exception if you open your eyes.

What? How many people really aspire to be a bean counter for the mothership?

Every bean counter I know IRL. Most CPAs have this thing called "busy season" where they work 70 hour weeks preparing tax returns for insurance companies. For the average accountant, my job is a day at Disneyland.

 

[NDTH91]

What exactly is the ESPN bias that leads me to conclude that Oklahoma deserves a playoff spot over ND? That's not even within The Official ESPN Hater's Handbook (TM). It's not like I'm pumping up the SEC. I've been bashing the Big 12 all year when it looked like it would be TCU or Baylor to emerge, but Oklahoma doesn't share the flaws of those teams. Go back and look. Starting in the WEEK ONE upset and vBook threads, I was ridiculing Baylor and TCU for whupping on inferior opponents while playing no one but each other. I beat that drum with each week's poll when everyone else was crying about SEC bias. All year I've been as anti-Big 12 as you can get, but Oklahoma is the one team that has proven to be an exception if you open your eyes.


Every bean counter I know IRL. Most CPAs have this thing called "busy season" where they work 70 hour weeks preparing tax returns for insurance companies. For the average accountant, my job is a day at Disneyland.

I see where you're coming from, but how can you say the big12 is weak, baylor and tcu don't play anyone, etc. and then give Oklahoma a bunch of credit for beating them? I think Oklahoma and Notre Dame are very close in terms of how good they really are, but those top wins for Oklahoma are over inflated due to the rest of the big12 being terrible and tcu, ok st, and baylor not playing anyone OOC.

To me it really comes down to how can you compare those two teams? And to me the only good answer is Texas... (assuming both teams take care of business today)

 

[dad4aa]

What exactly is the ESPN bias that leads me to conclude that Oklahoma deserves a playoff spot over ND? That's not even within The Official ESPN Hater's Handbook (TM). It's not like I'm pumping up the SEC. I've been bashing the Big 12 all year when it looked like it would be TCU or Baylor to emerge, but Oklahoma doesn't share the flaws of those teams. Go back and look. Starting in the WEEK ONE upset and vBook threads, I was ridiculing Baylor and TCU for whupping on inferior opponents while playing no one but each other. I beat that drum with each week's poll when everyone else was crying about SEC bias. All year I've been as anti-Big 12 as you can get, but Oklahoma is the one team that has proven to be an exception if you open your eyes.


Every bean counter I know IRL. Most CPAs have this thing called "busy season" where they work 70 hour weeks preparing tax returns for insurance companies. For the average accountant, my job is a day at Disneyland.

The problem is with these stupid little digs. Opinions very and I have stated all along that I don't see it. I have tried to back up my point that our SOS is similar with a slight lead toward us (and should go up a little more if we beat #9 and Oklahoma beats #11). That we will have same records and that there is no head-to-head so the next "typical" test is common opponent where we blow them away. Add in the fact that, if there is such a thing to consider as "quality loss"...that definitely plays in our favor. GK at least pointed out the changes to the top 25 that will come which I didn't consider but all you do is call me a homer and to open my eyes. My eyes are open and I am not a homer. I can't stand the guys on here that think there is a conspiracy against ND just because something didn't go our way. However, I cannot see where Oklahoma deserves to be ahead of us.

 

[dad4aa]

I see where you're coming from, but how can you say the big12 is weak, baylor and tcu don't play anyone, etc. and then give Oklahoma a bunch of credit for beating them? I think Oklahoma and Notre Dame are very close in terms of how good they really are, but those top wins for Oklahoma are over inflated due to the rest of the big12 being terrible and tcu, ok st, and baylor not playing anyone OOC.

To me it really comes down to how can you compare those two teams? And to me the only good answer is Texas... (assuming both teams take care of business today)

^This!!!!!

 

[gkIrish]

I understand that the Big 12 OOC sucks but I don't get why the 4 big dogs whooping on the rest of the conference somehow proves that they aren't good teams. We just don't know. You can't say one way or the other.

Oklahoma in particular has demolished everyone.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I actually think that if you ran through the possible scenarios and people applied the playoff committee criteria, there'd be a lot more agreement than people think:

Oklahoma will be in over us if they win
We would be in over Oklahoma state if they win
If Florida loses to FSU and beats bama, we will be in over them
If Bama loses to Auburn and beats Florida, it will be close

I don't know if there are any other scenarios worth talking about.

If UNC beats Clemson, it will be close

 

[dad4aa]

I understand that the Big 12 OOC sucks but I don't get why the 4 big dogs whooping on the rest of the conference somehow proves that they aren't good teams. We just don't know. You can't say one way or the other.

Oklahoma in particular has demolished everyone.

...except Texas. If you only look at the "tough" games they beat Tennessee by 7, Baylor by 10 and TCU by 1 when TCU missed the 2-pt conversion to win. Wouldn't call that demolishing everyone.

Comparable to us beating USC by 10, Navy by 17 and Temple by 4. (Not saying these 6 teams are comparable but looking at each teams better wins).

 

[NDTH91]

I understand that the Big 12 OOC sucks but I don't get why the 4 big dogs whooping on the rest of the conference somehow proves that they aren't good teams. We just don't know. You can't say one way or the other.

Oklahoma in particular has demolished everyone.

This is my whole issue... we just don't know. So how do we compare? The best way I know how is to look at how both teams played Texas...

If someone else has a better method of comparison (obviously transitive property is a terrible one) I am more than open to hearing about it. But this is also everyone's beef about poor OOC scheduling.. there's no way to know how good TCU, Baylor, Ok. St. really are.

 

[scUM Hater]

Michigan showing its true colors today. Hasn't beaten anyone all year.

Has any big ten team?

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[IrishJayhawk]

Has any big ten team?

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Northwestern beat Stanford.

Michigan State beat Oregon.

 

[wizards8507]

I see where you're coming from, but how can you say the big12 is weak, baylor and tcu don't play anyone, etc. and then give Oklahoma a bunch of credit for beating them?

Baylor and TCU each played an FCS school. That's the cardinal sin in SOS. I'm not saying Oklahoma is amazing for beating them, only that Oklahoma did not commit the sins of the rest of the Big 12 in scheduling.

The fact is, Oklahoma doesn't have to be a world-beater to get the slight edge over us, because we're not a world-beater either.

 

[NDTH91]

Baylor and TCU each played an FCS school. That's the cardinal sin in SOS. I'm not saying Oklahoma is amazing for beating them, only that Oklahoma did not commit the sins of the rest of the Big 12 in scheduling.

The fact is, Oklahoma doesn't have to be a world-beater to get the slight edge over us, because we're not a world-beater either.

and I agree with that... I don't really have much issue with someone saying "yeah Oklahoma and Notre Dame were very close, but at the end of the day we decided we thought Oklahoma was just a liiiiittle better"

But I think them jumping to 3 and us at 6 is... not right

EDIT: ALTHOUGH... when there is no CLEAR separation between the teams schedules/wins (I think that's the case here), I think you have to look at their losses. And in that case the edge goes to Notre Dame.

 

[wizards8507]

...except Texas. If you only look at the "tough" games they beat Tennessee by 7, Baylor by 10 and TCU by 1 when TCU missed the 2-pt conversion to win. Wouldn't call that demolishing everyone.

Common opponent is such shallow analysis that would lead you to conclude that Michigan should have beaten Ohio State because of Sparty, or at least that today's game would have been close. It wasn't.