College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[dang227]

Michigan showing its true colors today. Hasn't beaten anyone all year.

 

[IrishHokie22]

If we win, we'll be in if OU loses. OK ST is not jumping us, and I'll wager any vbuck amount that they won't.

We would also be in if Bama loses to Auburn (though we'd need Florida to lose too to feel good about it). That's not very likely.

We would have a shot if Michigan beat OSU, Sparty lost to Penn St., and Michigan beat Iowa in the B1G championship. All of that happening is unlikely, and I'm not sure we would be in anyway.

I'm not sure why there has been such a debate on Iowa. If they win the B1G championship they will be in, and will certainly deserve to be as well. If they lose, they won't be in. Pretty simple.

In summary, we need help from OK ST or Auburn. That's all there is to it.

 

[wizards8507]

Michigan showing its true colors today. Hasn't beaten anyone all year.

Really? They've been moving the ball and had some soft-ass penalties, including roughing the punter that was probably a ten point swing.

 

[NDShark]

ND has a better schedule than Iowa but ND lost a game and Iowa didn't.

Y'all are posting like the team with the best SOS trumps everything.

Regardless, as I mentioned a few days ago, debating Iowa v. ND is completely pointless. If they beat MSU they will rightfully be in. If they lose, they will rightfully be out.

Focus all the hate on Oklahoma and Alabama.

I'm going to add tOSU and Sparty to that list.

 

[wizards8507]

If we win, we'll be in if OU loses. OK ST is not jumping us, and I'll wager any vbuck amount that they won't.

I generally agree, unless OK State wins big and we only squeak by Stanford.

 

[dang227]

Michigan's defensive scheme for this game is leaving something to be desired.

 

[NDTH91]

Could Clemson blowing this somehow be a good thing for us? Anyone think we get in over Clemson if they lose to usc east? Or does that drop our SoS enough to keep us out? Or will they still get in because of the head to head win?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Could Clemson blowing this somehow be a good thing for us? Anyone think we get in over Clemson if they lose to usc east? Or does that drop our SoS enough to keep us out? Or will they still get in because of the head to head win?

Tough to know, but I think them losing either this week or in the Championship game is probably our best case scenario. Still, I think it would be tough for the committee to put 11-1 us in over a 12-1 team that beat us.

I think we need them to either win big here or lose. Sneaking by Skarlina looks bad.

 

[IrishLax]

Could Clemson blowing this somehow be a good thing for us? Anyone think we get in over Clemson if they lose to usc east? Or does that drop our SoS enough to keep us out? Or will they still get in because of the head to head win?

This is weird chaos I had never considered, but we'd have a very legit case over a 1-loss UNC ACC champ.

 

[IrishHokie22]

I don't see us getting in over a one loss Clemson or UNC.

I honestly wonder if a one loss OSU would jump us, given the whipping they're putting on Michigan. Could the B1G get two teams? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I don't see us getting in over a one loss Clemson or UNC.

I honestly wonder if a one loss OSU would jump us, given the whipping they're putting on Michigan. Could the B1G get two teams? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

I think they would. The B1G is almost guaranteed to get one playoff spot at this point.

 

[IrishHokie22]

I think they would. The B1G is almost guaranteed to get one playoff spot at this point.

Agreed that they're getting a playoff spot, but the question is could they get two?

If OU loses and we win a squeaker, could OSU make the jump? I hope not.

 

[dang227]

I don't see us getting in over a one loss Clemson or UNC.

I honestly wonder if a one loss OSU would jump us, given the whipping they're putting on Michigan. Could the B1G get two teams? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

This is the first quality win for OSU all year if you want to call it that. Michigan hasn't beaten anybody and looks unathletic as hell. For some reason the committee has given OSU a free pass so they may move up to #1 after this. Harbaugh is going to have to recruit some athletes up north.

 

[dad4aa]

I think they would. The B1G is almost guaranteed to get one playoff spot at this point.

That would give them two spots and I do not see that happening.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Agreed that they're getting a playoff spot, but the question is could they get two?

If OU loses and we win a squeaker, could OSU make the jump? I hope not.

oooo... I don't think so. Or, if they do jump us, it won't be into the top 4 barring complete chaos. I thought you were asking if they won the B1G (assuming a sparty loss).

 

[dad4aa]

I don't see us getting in over a one loss Clemson or UNC.

I honestly wonder if a one loss OSU would jump us, given the whipping they're putting on Michigan. Could the B1G get two teams? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

Won't happen IMO. The committee will use the common opponent in Clemson to put NC in us (even though it didn't help us with Texas and Oklahoma) and will use the head to head if it is Clemson (even though our loss is not to a 4-8 team).

I'm just curious, if the score holds, will Clemson drop two spots for beating a 3-8 team like we did even though BC had the number 1 defense at the time we played them.

 

[WaveDomer]

I think a Clemson loss may help at this point. I think it's clear the Committee puts tremendous value on how you are playing at the time, and earlier losses are factored in at a slight value. Provided you don't have multiple losses. That's why Oklahoma is in and OSU last year. More chaos is better for us provided we put the beat down on Stanford.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Won't happen IMO. The committee will use the common opponent in Clemson to put NC in us (even though it didn't help us with Texas and Oklahoma) and will use the head to head if it is Clemson (even though our loss is not to a 4-8 team).

I'm just curious, if the score holds, will Clemson drop two spots for beating a 3-8 team like we did even though BC had the number 1 defense at the time we played them.

The Texas comparison did help us. That's why we were ranked ahead of Oklahoma for the first two weeks. But then Oklahoma won some games against some good teams and became the front-runner to win the Big-12.

I don't necessarily think we should join a conference, but the reality is that by the committee's rules, we are at a disadvantage relative to conference champions.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Lax, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Iowa is good. Not great (not proven, anyway), but they are a good team. I watched them carefully last night. They are sound in all facets, and they turn you over. That's a good team, and if we weren't in the playoff discussion, I'd imagine a lot of ND fans pulling for them.

Again, not proven to be great by any stretch, and they've struggled against some bad teams a few games (sound familiar? Ugh), but they're a good football team worthy of an 8-10 ranking right now, IMHO.

 

[NDTH91]

Or if clemson does squeak it out here, a UNC win in the acc title game could have us jump clemson... I doubt UNC could get in over us.

With all of the other chaos, let's hope for an NC St upset today too!

 

[IrishinSyria]

Or if clemson does squeak it out here, a UNC win in the acc title game could have us jump clemson... I doubt UNC could get in over us.

With all of the other chaos, let's hope for an NC St upset today too!

I don't think a 12 point win will be considered squeaking it out.

 

[dad4aa]

The Texas comparison did help us. That's why we were ranked ahead of Oklahoma for the first two weeks. But then Oklahoma won some games against some good teams and became the front-runner to win the Big-12.

I don't necessarily think we should join a conference, but the reality is that by the committee's rules, we are at a disadvantage relative to conference champions.

I thought it was winning a "conference championship" which Big 12 does not have. They may anoint a conference champ but they do not have a conference championship. That has been the know for ND...that 13th game.

In regards to Texas game, I disagree. We were ahead of them earlier because they backloaded their schedule. Has nothing to do with us beating Texas and Oklahoma losing to Texas. Otherwise it would still matter. We still have a harder SOS in regards to all of the ones I have seen (although the gap has closed tremendously) and definitely have the better "quality loss". If common opponents were a part of the equation, there is no way Oklahoma is ahead of us.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I thought it was winning a "conference championship" which Big 12 does not have. They may anoint a conference champ but they do not have a conference championship. That has been the know for ND...that 13th game.

In regards to Texas game, I disagree. We were ahead of them earlier because they backloaded their schedule. Has nothing to do with us beating Texas and Oklahoma losing to Texas. Otherwise it would still matter. We still have a harder SOS in regards to all of the ones I have seen (although the gap has closed tremendously) and definitely have the better "quality loss". If common opponents were a part of the equation, there is no way Oklahoma is ahead of us.

I guess I disagree. It's obviously not conclusive, but I'm sure it's something they considered. One think about our SOS, it was heavily reliant on both Navy and Temple being considered "good teams." I suspect that the committee was always skeptical about that, and Navy losing by 3 scores to Houston will only reinforce that.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I don't think a 12 point win will be considered squeaking it out.

Lol, I spoke too soon.

 

[dad4aa]

I guess I disagree. It's obviously not conclusive, but I'm sure it's something they considered. One think about our SOS, it was heavily reliant on both Navy and Temple being considered "good teams." I suspect that the committee was always skeptical about that, and Navy losing by 3 scores to Houston will only reinforce that.

Definitely hurts us. If we could, somehow, beat Stanford like OSU beat Michigan today, I don't think there is any possibility we would not make the playoffs. Even if Oklahoma won. Our quality win would equal theirs and our 2-pt loss to the number 1 team is much better than a 7-pt loss to an non-bowl eligible team. Hopefully this is the scenario we will be able to discuss AFTER the game.

 

[wizards8507]

Lmao Zeke just called HIMSELF "the ultimate team player." #HumbleBrag

 

[gkIrish]

The last few weeks have destroyed our opponents records. I believe the records of the teams we beat are now under .500 combined.

 

[Irish YJ]

Definitely hurts us. If we could, somehow, beat Stanford like OSU beat Michigan today, I don't think there is any possibility we would not make the playoffs. Even if Oklahoma won. Our quality win would equal theirs and our 2-pt loss to the number 1 team is much better than a 7-pt loss to an non-bowl eligible team. Hopefully this is the scenario we will be able to discuss AFTER the game.

IMO, we need to beat Stanford by minimum 2 more scores than OK beats OK St to over take them... While Stanford is arguably better than OK St, OK St's record is better, and it is a rivalry game (this alone might give them some slack.. ). If we are as good as we "think" we are, we need to look like it today (both beauty contest and stats..). We have not looked like a very good team lately...

 

[IrishinSyria]

The last few weeks have destroyed our opponents records. I believe the records of the teams we beat are now under .500 combined.

Yup.

Opponents' Record: 73-64

- Clemson (12-0)

61-64

-Stanford (8-2)

53-62

 

[IrishLax]

The last few weeks have destroyed our opponents records. I believe the records of the teams we beat are now under .500 combined.

Yeah it's taking a bath. Doubt we have enough of an edge to make the playoffs and not sure we really deserve it.