2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Polish Leppy 22]

Round em' up and put em' in a camp.... Merica!!!

Many forget that FDR did it. I'm not defending FDR or Trump here. Just pointing that out.

 

[ickythump1225]

It's November and I'm more firmly on the Trump Train now than I was a few months ago. Trump's the only candidate who starts with the premise that A) we are a sovereign nation with unique interests and we should have the ability to pursue them without catering to the wants and demands of foreign nations and their nationals, B) we have a border and laws that should be enforced and respected, C) we shouldn't intervene in every squabble around the globe, but when we do we should only do so out of a position of strength and act in our own best interests at all times, and D) Western Civilization is a unique and distinct culture and civilization that has the right to defend itself from invasion via "refugee" and should not be paralyzed from action for fear of being accused of "racism."

I work in the immigration system, I see every single day that system is completely, utterly, and hopelessly broken. I also served in the military and have been in law enforcement for 7+ years so I understand that when Trump says that a lot of these mosques are just front groups and money laundering services for terror networks he isn't just crazy or making things up. We have every right to monitor mosques that preach hate and speak about potentially undermining our security. I also agree that they should be shut down if they are found to be shells for terror groups. This isn't time for niceties or worrying about feelings, this is a war for our civilization and our country.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Trump is our Le Pen.

 

[Cackalacky]

Wow, new poll out of Florida.

Trump beats Clinton by 8
Carson beats Clinton by 9
Rubio beats Clinton by 7
Bush beats Clinton by 4
Cruz beats Clinton by 3

Colorado:
Trump +11
Carson +14
Rubio +16
Cruz +13

Wtf?

I read about implementation of new polling methods that are not accurately predicting outcomes. See the Brittish and Canadian elections. I wonder if these numbers were generated using the same method as for some reason they under report conservative voter results.

 

[ickythump1225]

Trump is our Le Pen.

He's the only candidate not completely terrified of the left's demagoguery flagrant abuse of words and labels like "racist" or "xenophobic." The left has been holding the right wing hostage for decades by hijacking language and making themselves the arbiters of what words mean, what thoughts are allowed, what ideas are acceptable, etc. Trump shatters that paradigm. For far too long we have ignored our border security because the left in conjunction with the media, academics, and corporate interests have told us that worrying about such things is racist, xenophobic, and un-American. We are committing suicide in the West because we're afraid of hurting people's feelings and delicate sensibilities.

 

[Cackalacky]

Bill Maher Points Out the Dangerous End Times Theology of Dr. Ben Carson

 

[phgreek]

Bill Maher Points Out the Dangerous End Times Theology of Dr. Ben Carson

I'm a conservative, and I watch Bill now and again because, no matter what you believe he is funny (If you can look past some of his vulgar personal attacks).

On the subject of faith he mightily struggles with...it is generally the same issue most Liberals struggle with...which is, if you don't see it my way, you must be crazy, and unfit...and I'll prove it. Shit that matters has to do with results based on his executive decisions.

I don't think I'd vote for Carson for a reason or two...long before faith...and I really don't care if a man reaches his Stasis by believing burning candles around a giant pile of shit preserves a spot for him wherever he'd like to go when he stops breathing. What I care about is that he has shown good judgment, compassion, and is equipped intellectually and experience wise to do the job...Ben Carson's Achilles is experience, not faith.

 

[pkt77242]

Trump, Carson split on guns for terror watch list members - CNNPolitics.com

 

[pkt77242]

Poll: Hillary Clinton tops Donald Trump, GOP field on handling terror - CNNPolitics.com

 

[kmoose]

Poll: Hillary Clinton tops Donald Trump, GOP field on handling terror - CNNPolitics.com

That's probably a result of all of the stunning accomplishments of hers, in regards to global terrorism, while she was SecState...

 

[phgreek]

Poll: Hillary Clinton tops Donald Trump, GOP field on handling terror - CNNPolitics.com

Corrupt people can be competent...but much more so persuasive. I think Hillary is more persuasive than competent.

Anyone entertaining voting for her...it'll be a lapse in judgement we'll all pay for...so thanks for that.

 

[Cackalacky]

On the subject of faith he mightily struggles with...it is generally the same issue most Liberals struggle with...which is, if you don't see it my way, you must be crazy, and unfit...and I'll prove it. Shit that matters has to do with results based on his executive decisions.

I just don't think you get it. What actually scares people is that he would make important decisions BASED on the results of burning candles around a giant pile of dogshit...

I don't understand why you can't see that or continue to rationalize it any other way that this. He is a crazy person who will be happy when end times come. That is fucked up no matter what "FAITH" you profess. I do't believe in end times and having a president in office who is gleefully awaiting them or willing to hasten them as part of his decisions is LUNACY. The fact you refuse to see this and its ultimate importance over any other factor is disturbing.

I don't think I'd vote for Carson for a reason or two...long before faith...and I really don't care if a man reaches his Stasis by believing burning candles around a giant pile of shit preserves a spot for him wherever he'd like to go when he stops breathing. What I care about is that he has shown good judgment, compassion, and is equipped intellectually and experience wise to do the job...Ben Carson's Achilles is experience, not faith.

I don't understand this. I mean, if a president, who believed the end times was near (2050 is the new date the Adventists threw out there since the first time never came around in 1842) can actually believe the end times are near, how does that make him fit mentally or intellectually to decide when to use nuclear weapons, military force or the using religious pretenses to go to war. Among others. If there is one thing Ben Carson has made very clear in all his stupid comments is that he is incapable of separating his ridiculous beliefs from his political action. That is terrifying and far outweighs any other criteria iMO.

I may offend several of you but the belief that Jesus will return with the end times has been wrong 100% of the time since someone decided it was supposed to happen. Even new cults like the Adventists who believed he was coming back in 1842 and then watched as it never happened were "DISSAPOINTED"... FFS. That is crazy. How do intelligent rational people fall for this stuff.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

On the subject of faith he mightily struggles with...it is generally the same issue most Liberals struggle with...which is, if you don't see it my way, you must be crazy, and unfit...and I'll prove it. Shit that matters has to do with results based on his executive decisions.

Again, same on both sides.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm a conservative, and I watch Bill now and again because, no matter what you believe he is funny (If you can look past some of his vulgar personal attacks).

On the subject of faith he mightily struggles with...it is generally the same issue most Liberals struggle with...which is, if you don't see it my way, you must be crazy, and unfit...and I'll prove it. Shit that matters has to do with results based on his executive decisions.

I don't think I'd vote for Carson for a reason or two...long before faith...and I really don't care if a man reaches his Stasis by believing burning candles around a giant pile of shit preserves a spot for him wherever he'd like to go when he stops breathing. What I care about is that he has shown good judgment, compassion, and is equipped intellectually and experience wise to do the job...Ben Carson's Achilles is experience, not faith.

How can you say his faith isn't important when he believes the end of times is near? How can you say that wouldn't influence his policy? Influence his decisions in the middle east? If you honestly believed that the apocalypse was near, wouldn't it impact your decision making?

Seems pretty important to me.

 

[ND NYC]

been lurking in this thread...

does Carson actually have a shot at the GOP nomination?

does he really light fires around dog shit and believe in the end of days?

 

[GoIrish41]

been lurking in this thread...

does Carson actually have a shot at the GOP nomination?

does he really light fires around dog shit and believe in the end of days?

No not really ...

and Yes. (although I'm not sure about the dog shit part)

 

[BleedBlueGold]

How can you say his faith isn't important when he believes the end of times is near? How can you say that wouldn't influence his policy? Influence his decisions in the middle east? If you honestly believed that the apocalypse was near, wouldn't it impact your decision making?

Seems pretty important to me.

It'd influence me. I'd be dropping bombs everywhere and doing blow off of strippers asses like there's no tomorrow...because, in this case...there isn't.

 

[kmoose]

How can you say his faith isn't important when he believes the end of times is near? How can you say that wouldn't influence his policy? Influence his decisions in the middle east? If you honestly believed that the apocalypse was near, wouldn't it impact your decision making?

Seems pretty important to me.

You don't have to be religious to believe the end of times is near.... his faith is immaterial to these beliefs of his, I think.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You don't have to be religious to believe the end of times is near.... his faith is immaterial to these beliefs of his, I think.

C'mon. As a Seventh Day Adventist, he believes in the end times because of his faith.

 

[woolybug25]

You don't have to be religious to believe the end of times is near.... his faith is immaterial to these beliefs of his, I think.

You would be wrong then. His belief in the end of times is specifically derived from being a seventh day Adventist. Per his own words.

 

[kmoose]

You would be wrong then. His belief in the end of times is specifically derived from being a seventh day Adventist. Per his own words.

Alright, fair enough. I honestly didn't realize that. I thought he was just taking the 7th Day Adventist view of what End of Times would look like.

 

[phgreek]

Again, same on both sides.

oh yea...I see conservatives on here all the time telling people they are crazy...or they just can't grasp the gravity of a situation...wait, no I don't.

 

[woolybug25]

oh yea...I see conservatives on here all the time telling people they are crazy...or they just can't grasp the gravity of a situation...wait, no I don't.

You're right... They just use passive aggressive slights.

 

[Buster Bluth]

been lurking in this thread...

does Carson actually have a shot at the GOP nomination?

does he really light fires around dog shit and believe in the end of days?

No Carson doesn't have much of a shot. I think Cruz will see his bump as Carson fades and that is possibly more terrifying. Cruz is everything that is wrong with the GOP rolled into one smackable face.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

oh yea...I see conservatives on here all the time telling people they are crazy...or they just can't grasp the gravity of a situation...wait, no I don't.

I see it all the time. Here and elsewhere.

 

[phgreek]

I just don't think you get it. What actually scares people is that he would make important decisions BASED on the results of burning candles around a giant pile of dogshit...

I don't understand why you can't see that or continue to rationalize it any other way that this. He is a crazy person who will be happy when end times come. That is fucked up no matter what "FAITH" you profess. I do't believe in end times and having a president in office who is gleefully awaiting them or willing to hasten them as part of his decisions is LUNACY. The fact you refuse to see this and its ultimate importance over any other factor is disturbing.


I don't understand this. I mean, if a president, who believed the end times was near (2050 is the new date the Adventists threw out there since the first time never came around in 1842) can actually believe the end times are near, how does that make him fit mentally or intellectually to decide when to use nuclear weapons, military force or the using religious pretenses to go to war. Among others. If there is one thing Ben Carson has made very clear in all his stupid comments is that he is incapable of separating his ridiculous beliefs from his political action. That is terrifying and far outweighs any other criteria iMO.

I may offend several of you but the belief that Jesus will return with the end times has been wrong 100% of the time since someone decided it was supposed to happen. Even new cults like the Adventists who believed he was coming back in 1842 and then watched as it never happened were "DISSAPOINTED"... FFS. That is crazy. How do intelligent rational people fall for this stuff.

You think his faith's views, and maybe even his views about end times would influence his choices in office. I don't. I see his, and every other person's faith as what informs their values on a more general plane, which is a far cry from having a direct impact on a specific decision. You seem to think given a choice, he'd choose to die and take us all with him, or at the very least throw his hands up because its all almost over anyway. So don't you think that view is in stark contrast to his life's story and his profession...if he was unable to compartmentalize things about his chosen faith, why would he be such a motivated person, and a pediatric neurosurgeon? His decisions and actions had to be executed with a sense of urgency with at least an inkling the sun was coming up tomorrow, and a desire for it to come up tomorrow...right?

This entire discussion appears petty to me...it just does.

Honestly, while his chosen faith may seem crazy to you, there are many that seem crazy to a great number of individuals...the point is, at some point I suspect many people of many faiths will have had to lead this nation...the litmus test for me is ...can they practice their faith but be faithful to our constitution...have they shown me a reason to doubt that. ( incidentally what are the faiths of the Liberal SCOTUS justices, because their actions are crazy...need to check out the ties to their faith or lack thereof)

For instance, If he were Muslim and practiced Sharia, and then wanted to lead this nation, I'd be less inclined to support him, because he clearly lived out components of his faith that are in serious conflict with our values.

Since he is 7th day Adventist, can you show me where his conduct reflected a '''meh, we're all dead anyway" mentality. Because maybe then I could see your point...the point I seem unable to grasp...BTW, I get what you are saying, I am perfectly capable of understanding, evaluating, and ultimately considering your argument...I can't help but think this must be the kind of shit JFK dealt with...was he OK?

And by the way...a point that is likely the operative issue between how we see a guy neither of us will vote for.... In my experience, those who believe their judgement day / death is near tend to have an increased sense to achieve, do good by others if able, and generally improve themselves...oh the horror... I've not seen anyone simply throw their hands up...not even atheists. So acting on end times helplessness or even hopefulness (ie hoping it comes) is not human nature, nor something I've seen out of Carson.

 

[woolybug25]

So his faith shouldn't matter unless it's the Muslim faith?

Also, you don't know very much about 7th Day Adventist do you?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You think his faith's views, and maybe even his views about end times would influence his choices in office. I don't. I see his, and every other person's faith as what informs their values on a more general plane, which is a far cry from having a direct impact on a specific decision. You seem to think given a choice, he'd choose to die and take us all with him, or at the very least throw his hands up because its all almost over anyway. So don't you think that view is in stark contrast to his life's story and his profession...if he was unable to compartmentalize things about his chosen faith, why would he be such a motivated person, and a pediatric neurosurgeon? His decisions and actions had to be executed with a sense of urgency with at least an inkling the sun was coming up tomorrow, and a desire for it to come up tomorrow...right?

This entire discussion appears petty to me...it just does.

Honestly, while his chosen faith may seem crazy to you, there are many that seem crazy to a great number of individuals...the point is, at some point I suspect many people of many faiths will have had to lead this nation...the litmus test for me is ...can they practice their faith but be faithful to our constitution...have they shown me a reason to doubt that. ( incidentally what are the faiths of the Liberal SCOTUS justices, because their actions are crazy...need to check out the ties to their faith or lack thereof)

For instance, If he were Muslim and practiced Sharia, and then wanted to lead this nation, I'd be less inclined to support him, because he clearly lived out components of his faith that are in serious conflict with our values.

Since he is 7th day Adventist, can you show me where his conduct reflected a '''meh, we're all dead anyway" mentality. Because maybe then I could see your point...the point I seem unable to grasp...BTW, I get what you are saying, I am perfectly capable of understanding, evaluating, and ultimately considering your argument...I can't help but think this must be the kind of shit JFK dealt with...was he OK?

And by the way...a point that is likely the operative issue between how we see a guy neither of us will vote for.... In my experience, those who believe their judgement day / death is near tend to have an increased sense to achieve, do good by others if able, and generally improve themselves...oh the horror... I've not seen anyone simply throw their hands up...not even atheists. So acting on end times helplessness or even hopefulness (ie hoping it comes) is not human nature, nor something I've seen out of Carson.

Good post. Not to mention waiting on the other side we have Hillary, who is being investigated for treason, and a lifelong socialist who is promising free everything for everyone.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So his faith shouldn't matter unless it's the Muslim faith?

Also, you don't know very much about 7th Day Adventist do you?

You don't know much about Sharia Law do you?

 

[woolybug25]

You don't know much about Sharia Law do you?

I know enough, probably more than you. Where did I try to make any generalizations about Muslims either way? All I said is that his post clearly is trying to make the point that the religious beliefs of a candidate shouldn't matter unless it's a Muslim.