Missouri Football Players to Strike

[woolybug25]

I don't think it was just those two issues though. I think there were more and I think the Ferguson issue has really echoed through that state. I need to find an article I read recently.

I would love to hear what the other issues are. The amount of African American faculty came up after the entire thing already came to a head, but as been mentioned previously, that isn't a Mizzou problem alone, nor one that could have been addressed before they forced Wolfe out. They stopped his car, cornered him at every opportunity and ruined his life.

This is an intentionally orchestrated scenario with a basis in two unverified stories that have been blown out of proportion by social media and the brainless masses fueling their desire "fight the power".

 

[T Town Tommy]

But in this scenario, one person "supposedly" was called a N*****. Not a group. Then a man, that had no part in the "supposed" slur lost his job for not being able to completely turn the university upside down over it. Do people realize how many crazy complaints come into a university? Do these actions justify what is happening?

This entire situation is manufactured, imo. That's what is infuriating to me.

Apparently the school admin was slow to react to some complaints of isolated racism at the school. Should they have done a more effective job? Maybe. Should the president - who seems like a decent person by most accounts - be forced to resign? I doubt it. But from the few articles I have read the last couple of hours, it seems like we have a select group of individuals who want to push forth an agenda for something other than what it is. So a guy got called something racial by someone else. Big deal. Let that person calling you that be ignorant. But to demand the resignation of a university president over a few isolated incidents is to me a self serving agenda and really nothing to do much with racism.

This same guy apparently didn't speak a word about the football program that apparently had zero interest in protecting the women students of Mizzou. Where was he then? Where was his outcry for Pinkel to go? Where was his outcry to get rid of the athletes? Oh... I guess it didn't fit his "agenda." The same guy that has probably discriminated against just as many, if not more, students himself while at Mizzou.

Let's see how this small group of individuals react when the next president comes in and he doesn't fit their wants. Let's see how they react when that president gets rid of student athletes that run in to trouble. Let's see how they react if... that president is a white guy. It will be interesting moving forward. What do they do when all that doesn't meet their "agenda."

That's why this sets a very dangerous precedent.

 

[Cackalacky]

Read and study the Bible bro. It's not that hard.

Lulz.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Lulz.

It's good for the soul cacky... you know I love ya man. Just doing my part to help my fellow Kentuckian.

 

[Cackalacky]

I would love to hear what the other issues are. The amount of African American faculty came up after the entire thing already came to a head, but as been mentioned previously, that isn't a Mizzou problem alone, nor one that could have been addressed before they forced Wolfe out. They stopped his car, cornered him at every opportunity and ruined his life.

This is an intentionally orchestrated scenario with a basis in two unverified stories that have been blown out of proportion by social media and the brainless masses fueling their desire "fight the power".

I have seen where during February in 2014 ( Black History month) Cotton balls were repeatedly found out side the front of the Black Student Union.

A Student club made and handed out wrist bands that said "Hands up Pants Up"

 

[yankeehater]

I don't think it was just those two issues though. I think there were more and I think the Ferguson issue has really echoed through that state. I need to find an article I read recently.

I am just going by the group at the universities statement and demands. One of their issues what that the university president did not comment about the happenings in Ferguson. I am not sure why they expected him to even comment.

 

[pumpdog20]

What are you talking about? When I visited for VEISHA I was surrounded by rednecks.

I'm talking about that a lot of Chinese go to Iowa State.

 

[Cackalacky]

It's good for the soul cacky... you know I love ya man. Just doing my part to help my fellow Kentuckian.

Word. I have read it a bunch.

 

[irisheyes]

Im not going to get into the whole religious debate. But I was honestly hoping that guy would stay just long enough for that guy to fail at his hunger strike. The guy is using terrorism to get his way. Im not sure what the president could of done to stop any of the incidents from happening.

 

[connor_in]

Nope. 20% of the campus could still be racist and he could be elected President of the student government (not saying that it is 20%, just using a number for emphasis). It has nothing to do with the level of racism on campus. It is a horrible argument.

I hate to be that guy, and I am not for racism at all. However, racism by itself is not illegal. It IS immoral. Discrimination, assault, murder, etc all due to racism is illegal. Technically speaking.

 

[Circa]

Colleges should always be a place to start a topic of this nature. Never should a college be a place to start a war. whether it be with missiles or social media. Having a voice and using It correctly seems to be a problem lately, nothings hard as we seem to make it.

 

[Cackalacky]

I am just going by the group at the universities statement and demands. One of their issues what that the university president did not comment about the happenings in Ferguson. I am not sure why they expected him to even comment.

IDK what to tell you.... I am not defending or condoning one way or the other and I want to understand these things but Ferguson was a BIG deal. Black people are very much concerned for their well being and there is some legitimate justification for those feelings. I can see why they would want their school president to say SOMETHING about it to the students however irrational that want may appear to be to others.

 

[yankeehater]

LOL. It is not shocking that a star football player wouldn't experience racism. It has nothing to do with the experience of the average minority on campus.

It has been my experience that star athletes can be very polarizing on a campus (see Jimmy Clausen). Many idolize them and want to be apart of all they do. Others want to take their shot at them to gain fame, boost their ego or show off to their friends. I think a gay AA athlete who is a star would be a target to any racist idiots on or around campus.

 

[woolybug25]

I have seen where during February in 2014 ( Black History month) Cotton balls were repeatedly found out side the front of the Black Student Union.

A Student club made and handed out wrist bands that said "Hands up Pants Up"

Are these verified? Were people caught, and if so, punished?

Let's be real... Four incidents in two years at a public university with enrollment over 35k students is nothing. That's probably not even the per capita amount of incidents for the state as a whole. Hell, probably not even for any business in the state of Missouri. For instance, there were 7 reported sexual assaults reported to the Mizzou PD in that time. A myriad of assaults. Where is the outrage for those?

University of Missouri - Columbia Police Department

 

[Cackalacky]

Deans, faculty members call for Loftin's dismissal - Columbia Daily Tribune | Columbia Missouri: Education

There is also this as well. Loftin the Chancellor had votes of no confidence against him and the president did not act on that as well. It appears the main campus is a "toxic" environment fostered by inaction by the president. I am of course paraphrasing the article.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I would love to hear what the other issues are. The amount of African American faculty came up after the entire thing already came to a head, but as been mentioned previously, that isn't a Mizzou problem alone, nor one that could have been addressed before they forced Wolfe out. They stopped his car, cornered him at every opportunity and ruined his life.

This is an intentionally orchestrated scenario with a basis in two unverified stories that have been blown out of proportion by social media and the brainless masses fueling their desire "fight the power".

Nah, you're confusing the symptoms with the disease here. Disease is a breakdown in racial relations on campus and the perception that the administration was not responsive to black students' concerns. Among the symptoms cited were multiple students (including but not limited to the president of the student union or whatever) reporting that they had been called racial slurs and the swastika incident. Mizzou might have had the greatest plan for racial relations in the world behind closed doors, but it's clear that the president failed to make the black students feel like their voice was being heard. That's why he was forced to quit, not because of two isolated incidents.

 

[woolybug25]

Deans, faculty members call for Loftin's dismissal - Columbia Daily Tribune | Columbia Missouri: Education

There is also this as well. Loftin the Chancellor had votes of no confidence against him and the president did not act on that as well. It appears the main campus is a "toxic" environment fostered by inaction by the president. I am of course paraphrasing the article.

Another witch hunt. So how many heads need to roll in the faculty before people are happy? The article doesn't even lists specific examples, just that they feel he did a bad job handling the situation. I would make the same argument for Lofin as I would for Wolfe. What exactly was he supposed to do? What response would have saved his job?

 

[Cackalacky]

Are these verified? Were people caught, and if so, punished?

Let's be real... Four incidents in two years at a public university with enrollment over 35k students is nothing. That's probably not even the per capita amount of incidents for the state as a whole. Hell, probably not even for any business in the state of Missouri. For instance, there were 7 reported sexual assaults reported to the Mizzou PD in that time. A myriad of assaults. Where is the outrage for those?

University of Missouri - Columbia Police Department

Of course they weren't caught. I don't know that those are the only ones so I am not conceding that there aren't plenty that never got reported or happened to someone not in that group. I am not minimizing assaults because I am talking about this. I would be talking about assaults if there were student athletes shutting down a revenue stream for the university over assaults.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Are these verified? Were people caught, and if so, punished?

Let's be real... Four incidents in two years at a public university with enrollment over 35k students is nothing. That's probably not even the per capita amount of incidents for the state as a whole. Hell, probably not even for any business in the state of Missouri. For instance, there were 7 reported sexual assaults reported to the Mizzou PD in that time. A myriad of assaults. Where is the outrage for those?

University of Missouri - Columbia Police Department

There's been a huge national movement against sexual assault on campus, so I'm not sure why that matters. More broadly, why should the existence of one problem stop people from expressing dissatisfaction over another.

I'm positive you're a better poster than to insinuate that the group of students calling for the president's ouster was also the group of students responsible for the assaults, unlike some others who have been posting here.

 

[woolybug25]

Nah, you're confusing the symptoms with the disease here. Disease is a breakdown in racial relations on campus and the perception that the administration was not responsive to black students' concerns. Among the symptoms cited were multiple students (including but not limited to the president of the student union or whatever) reporting that they had been called racial slurs and the swastika incident. Mizzou might have had the greatest plan for racial relations in the world behind closed doors, but it's clear that the president failed to make the black students feel like their voice was being heard. That's why he was forced to quit, not because of two isolated incidents.

Then tell me... What was he supposed to do? Who made the slur? Who made the swastica? How would that look if every single isolated incident with no culprit was answered with massive change in protocol at a school with 35k students? If there was no one being accused, then what are they supposed to do? They have rules about racism, they have policy in place.

Again... Racist incidents on this campus are dwarfed by rape, sexual assault, robbery and physical assault. But the entire university was supposed to take massive, widespread action over a couple incidents that didn't even have any proof of actually existing?

 

[woolybug25]

There's been a huge national movement against sexual assault on campus, so I'm not sure why that matters. More broadly, why should the existence of one problem stop people from expressing dissatisfaction over another.

I'm positive you're a better poster than to insinuate that the group of students calling for the president's ouster was also the group of students responsible for the assaults, unlike some others who have been posting here.

Because it's not a problem. They are isolated incidents blown out of proportion by social media. And people like you are eating it up.

 

[woolybug25]

Of course they weren't caught. I don't know that those are the only ones so I am not conceding that there aren't plenty that never got reported or happened to someone not in that group. I am not minimizing assaults because I am talking about this. I would be talking about assaults if there were student athletes shutting down a revenue stream for the university over assaults.

My point is that we are talking about shutting down a revenue source (oh... and ruining a man's life, but I'm sure the pain of being yelled a mean name or seeing something unpleasant made of shit trumps that) over something statistically insignificant.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Then tell me... What was he supposed to do? Who made the slur? Who made the swastica? How would that look if every single isolated incident with no culprit was answered with massive change in protocol at a school with 35k students? If there was no one being accused, then what are they supposed to do? They have rules about racism, they have policy in place.

Again... Racist incidents on this campus are dwarfed by rape, sexual assault, robbery and physical assault. But the entire university was supposed to take massive, widespread action over a couple incidents that didn't even have any proof of actually existing?

You're still focusing too much on the specific incidents. The point is that black students felt marginalized enough to go on strike.... to get a bunch of guys with dreams of playing on Sundays to risk their own draft stock to go on strike. That is the failure. Not any specific response to any specific incident. As for what he could have done...it begins and ends with communication. Set up regular meetings with the leaders of the black (and other!) student groups. Talk to the school about racial relations in the wake of Fergusson. Acknowledge the protestors at the homecoming parade. Anything to make them feel that their voices were being heard. Communication is the most important talent for any executive to have -that's why we make our presidential candidates give countless speeches and argue in dozens of debates- there was a clear communication breakdown here. The specific incidents are besides the point.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Are these verified? Were people caught, and if so, punished?

Let's be real... Four incidents in two years at a public university with enrollment over 35k students is nothing. That's probably not even the per capita amount of incidents for the state as a whole. Hell, probably not even for any business in the state of Missouri. For instance, there were 7 reported sexual assaults reported to the Mizzou PD in that time. A myriad of assaults. Where is the outrage for those?

University of Missouri - Columbia Police Department

I feel like you're maybe missing the point a little bit. I don't know that what is happening at Missouri is a protest over any specific incident, or over the fact that the President didn't personally weed out the perpetrator of any specific incident. I think what has angered the protesting students is that they expressed concern about a series of incidents and they feel the administration responded with a shrug (which apparently would have also been the response if any number of IE posters were in charge, I guess). And the students apparently feel that more of a response was warranted, although I think what they were looking for is more a show of solidarity, a condemnation, an attempt to ensure the black student population that they are valued members of the university community.

I am not arguing for or against how the students are handling this or the legitimacy of their underlying complaint because I just don't know enough of the details looking at the situation from afar, but I think oversimplifying the disagreement is a disservice to any productive conversation that could result from this.

For someone to dismiss out of hand the idea that there could be some actual merit to the students' grievances (which, for better or worse, have gained a lot of traction in that community), seemingly without making much of an attempt to understand those grievances, suggests a level of bias that I wouldn't be comfortable with if it were mine.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Because it's not a problem. They are isolated incidents blown out of proportion by social media. And people like you are eating it up.

What's your source for this? Clearly a significant number of black students at Mizzou felt it was a problem. What makes you qualified to tell them they're wrong. What insider information do you possess that makes you confident in your assessment here?

 

[irishff1014]

IDK what to tell you.... I am not defending or condoning one way or the other and I want to understand these things but Ferguson was a BIG deal. Black people are very much concerned for their well being and there is some legitimate justification for those feelings. I can see why they would want their school president to say SOMETHING about it to the students however irrational that want may appear to be to others.

This is bs right here. The incident had nothing to do with the university nor did it happen on university property. So the president did what he should have and kept his mouth shut. So the next time that have a drug deal that goes bad and someone gets shot and kill he should step and say something right?

That's the problem right there people don't know to keep their mouths shut. If people worried as much about their responsibilities in life and not what their neighbor is doing everyone would be better off.

Its ironic that most of the ones complaining are going to school on the universities dime.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I feel like you're maybe missing the point a little bit. I don't know that what is happening at Missouri is a protest over any specific incident, or that the President didn't personally weed out the perpetrator of any specific incident. I think what has angered the protesting students is that there was concern expressed about a series of incidents and they feel the administration responded with a shrug (which apparently would have also been the response if any number of IE posters were in charge, I guess). And the students apparently feel that more of a response was warranted, although I think what they were looking for is more a show of solidarity, a condemnation, an attempt to ensure the black student population that they are valued members of the university community.

I am not arguing for or against how the students are handling this or the legitimacy of their underlying complaint because I just don't know enough of the details looking at the situation from afar, but I think oversimplifying the disagreement is a disservice to any productive conversation that could result from this.

For someone to dismiss out of hand the idea that there could be some actual merit to the students' grievances (which, for better or worse, have gained a lot of traction in that community), seemingly without making much of an attempt to understand those grievances, suggests a level of bias that I wouldn't be comfortable with if it mine.

This is what I would have said if I were more smarter.

 

[IrishLax]

How do we know the swastika wasn't a false flag drawn by a black student?!?!?

I'm joking, but that's the thing about sensationalized cases of racism where no one gives a fuck about proving anything. All that matters is the feelings/opinion of the "oppressed" and anyone who challenges the veracity of the issue is labeled racist.

The NAACP white woman pretending to be black sent herself hate mail and fabricated all kinds of other racism (which she reported to officials) in order to give her agenda some substance.

 

[woolybug25]

You're still focusing too much on the specific incidents. The point is that black students felt marginalized enough to go on strike.... to get a bunch of guys with dreams of playing on Sundays to risk their own draft stock to go on strike. That is the failure. Not any specific response to any specific incident. As for what he could have done...it begins and ends with communication. Set up regular meetings with the leaders of the black (and other!) student groups. Talk to the school about racial relations in the wake of Fergusson. Acknowledge the protestors at the homecoming parade. Anything to make them feel that their voices were being heard. Communication is the most important talent for any executive to have -that's why we make our presidential candidates give countless speeches and argue in dozens of debates- there was a clear communication breakdown here. The specific incidents are besides the point.

How can you logically separate the two? What made them feel marginalized? Oh yeah... The isolated incidents. You still haven't explained what exactly what the correct response was supposed to be. Do you think these incidents demanded massive institutional change? Because that is what the rioters have demanded after they happened. They felt these incidents, not broad disenfranchisement over a period of time, demanded it.

 

[woolybug25]

What's your source for this? Clearly a significant number of black students at Mizzou felt it was a problem. What makes you qualified to tell them they're wrong. What insider information do you possess that makes you confident in your assessment here?

What makes you an expert on the general feeling of the student body? In the link (i.e. My source) I provided earlier showed ZERO race related CRIMES reported to the Mizzou PD since '12. None.

All any of us know is exactly what the representatives of the movement have told us specifically, and the core of their mission is based off of the response after these incidents. Those are the facts. They aren't my personal opinion. So if you're basing your opinion of me being off base on "not knowing the facts" maybe you should start with providing some instead of your worn out assumptions.