Missouri Football Players to Strike

[NDPhilly]

I saw the word patriarchy mentioned. The bs meter was over 9000 when that was written.

I'm taking a Christ in World Cultures at Fordham since it's part of the core curriculum. Had midterms two weeks ago. Got one question partially wrong. got 7 out 10 points off in the identifications section since I didn't "elaborate enough on the oppressive nature of the patriarchy"

 

[MNIrishman]

I'm taking a Christ in World Cultures at Fordham since it's part of the core curriculum. Had midterms two weeks ago. Got one question partially wrong. got 7 out 10 points off in the identifications section since I didn't "elaborate enough on the oppressive nature of the patriarchy"

Damn, man, where is this patriarchy and how can I sign up for the benefits? Sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

 

[nd_fan]

I at this point, cannot see where any positive dialogue and constructive communication can come of this thread.

This is precisely reverse discrimination, it's fire someone by mob and press, and counter-intuitive of a democracy in my opinion.

Since when does discrimination have direction? Its either discrimination or not.

 

[IrishInFl]

Damn, man, where is this patriarchy and how can I sign up for the benefits? Sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

And I'm broke as a joke. I could go for some of this white privilege I hear so much about.

 

[Irish#1]

Why should racial diversity be monitored? If you have ten open jobs and the ten most qualified candidates are all Korean guys, you sure as hell better higher ten Korean guys, diversity be damned. To do otherwise in the name of diversity would be to mistreat people on the basis of race, exactly the thing that these idiots purport to despise.

Any culture or ethnicity that is not white male pretty much makes up the diversity groups. Therefore if you hire Koreans, that's diversity. If you hire female Koreans, that's even better. However, there's only one group that I'm aware of that believes any hiring outside of their diversity group is racial.

 

[irishff1014]

Any culture or ethnicity that is not white male pretty much makes up the diversity groups. Therefore if you hire Koreans, that's diversity. If you hire female Koreans, that's even better. However, there's only one group that I'm aware of that believes any hiring outside of their diversity group is racial.

The youth born in the 90's (Self entitlement era)are going to drag this country down.

 

[dublinirish]

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”


― Socrates

 

[Irish#1]

I remember when I worked at Sallie Mae and they were implementing their diversity program. Probably about 15 years ago. They were going over the program in the auditorium. My session ended at noon. As I'm walking the hallway back to my desk I see a group of about 5 or 6 Asians and another separate group from either India or Pakistan also going to lunch together. I chuckled to myself wondering how good would this program turn out would be?

 

[Cackalacky]

I know everyone likes to point out how people tend to naturally segregate themselves but how much of it is having similar life experiences? How many of us know what it is like only being a representative of a minority?

How many of them know what its like being a part of the majority.

Again, I know this is perceived and acted on as a race issue but for me it is still another manifestation of majority privilege vs minority wanting majority privlige.

This poem by Henry Rollins really sums all of this up in my mind.

Now, because you own, you possess.
You have something that they can take.
You remember how it was when you had nothing.
You looked at the ones who had what you wanted
And you felt strong in your need.
Brave in your limited surroundings.
Righteous in your desires for something different.
Contemptuous of those who had exactly what you wanted.
You hated them because they looked weak and slightly scared.
You circled the water hole and thought about closing in.

Now you have it you feel weak in your power to keep it.
You feel desperate to make them see that you won't let them take it away.
Because it's yours.
You never had to justify yourself and your possessions before.
I earned this.
I worked hard for what I've got.
I paid my dues.
I deserve this.
You say these things to yourself as the animals circle and wait.
Shake your fists at the Hyenas.
Chase them away from your water hole.
Justify.
See them all differently...
Now you see that they all want something.
They want exactly what you've got.
You get some juice.
Human becomes prey.
Human gets scared.
Figure out that you have to become hard to keep it yours.
You have to be cruel.
You have to kill the moth just for looking.
Leave the bodies by the water hole so the rest will see.
Hang spent bullet cases from fishing line outside
All the windows of your house.
Put up signs.
Please break in.
I would love the opportunity to kill you legally.

Let the fear turn into desperate anger.
Start seeing the differences in people.
They all start looking suspicious.
They all want.
The need never stops.
Out there, someone is always needing.
Always hungry.
Always looking at you.
Checking your eyes for weakness.
Zeroing in on the vein in your neck.
As they circle the water hole.
And close in.

 

[gkIrish]

I haven't followed this story closely. If they players do indeed strike, could they lose their scholarships?

 

[kmoose]

I would assume so. If I'm not mistaken, a scholarship is similar to a contract. If the school decided to pull the student's financial aid, they couldn't then compel the kid to participate in football activities. So if a kid refuses to participate in football activities, I would think the school could not then be compelled to provide financial aid.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm fascinated by this only in the sense of what the outcome will be. The players kind of put themselves in a bind. They cannot back down from the stance they took. What happens if this drags on for weeks?

As far as the University is concerned, I am not well versed in what has been going on and I am sure it is incredibly nuanced. I imagine there many points to the story that haven't been told. I have no idea if, and to what extent, the President should have, or more importantly could have, done things differently.

What I do know is whatever Missouri does now, will have some implications in the future. These students are trying to use their influence and that of the media to drive change. Regardless if this is warranted in this case, this is dangerous precedent. 18-22 year old's are not typically the group you think about when it comes to completely rational, well thought out decisions. Their lack of experience and emotional drive can lead to faulty conclusions, which is part of the college experience. But when you combine that attribute, with the desire to use numbers and media to drive change, at what point do you draw the line? What would happen if college students across the country tried this tactic with every thing they thought was wrong with their campus? It would be chaotic.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm fascinated by this only in the sense of what the outcome will be. The players kind of put themselves in a bind. They cannot back down from the stance they took. What happens if this drags on for weeks?

As far as the University is concerned, I am not well versed in what has been going on and I am sure it is incredibly nuanced. I imagine there many points to the story that haven't been told. I have no idea if, and to what extent, the President should have, or more importantly could have, done things differently.

What I do know is whatever Missouri does now, will have some implications in the future. These students are trying to use their influence and that of the media to drive change. Regardless if this is warranted in this case, this is dangerous precedent. 18-22 year old's are not typically the group you think about when it comes to completely rational, well thought out decisions. Their lack of experience and emotional drive can lead to faulty conclusions, which is part of the college experience. But when you combine that attribute, with the desire to use numbers and media to drive change, at what point do you draw the line? What would happen if college students across the country tried this tactic with every thing they thought was wrong with their campus? It would be chaotic.

Exactly. I am trying to have an open mind with a lot of this but my initial reaction was regarding the implications of over half the football team quitting and what implications that would have on the university... financially and in the sporting world in general, particularly within the SEC.

Now that the coach, remainder of the football team and the Governor have all weighed in with the students... it has become much more of a story.

 

[dublinirish]

the threat of "chaos" is always the opponent of change.

Gotta break eggs to make an omelette. Kids getting lots of hate these days for being politically unaware and self absorbed. Then when these kids stand up for their beliefs in a peaceful protest they are getting heat. They can't win :S

 

[Cackalacky]

the threat of "chaos" is always the opponent of change.

Gotta break eggs to make an omelette. Kids getting lots of hate these days for being politically unaware and self absorbed. Then when these kids stand up for their beliefs in a peaceful protest they are getting heat. They can't win :S

#whiteprivledge

 

[gkIrish]

Does anyone else see similarities between this and the Donald Sterling situation? Group of people are offended by something, they make it a public cause, and an individual is forced out of his role due to public opinion without due process? That's sort of how I see this. I was against the removal of Donald Sterling because of the precedent it would set and I have the same concerns here.

I am not commenting on whether or not he (or Sterling) deserves to be ousted, but rather the manner in which they were ousted.

 

[kmoose]

Now is the time for the SEC to stand in solidarity with their new brethren!! The SEC should refuse to participate in the College Football Playoffs until this guy resigns.

 

[woolybug25]

Maybe we should revisit that title again?

"As much as we want to say everyone is united, half the team and coaches -- black and white -- are pissed," the player, who wished to remain anonymous, told ESPN. "If we were 9-0, this wouldn't be happening."

"Not everyone agrees with the decision [to stop all football activities]," the player said. "Most people are pissed, including the black guys [on the team]."

Missouri Tigers player says team not united over practice boycott

 

[gkIrish]

Maybe we should revisit that title again?





Missouri Tigers player says team not united over practice boycott

The title seems accurate to me. Sounds like some black players and some white players are striking. What do you suggest?

 

[woolybug25]

The title seems accurate to me. Sounds like some black players and some white players are striking. What do you suggest?

I was being facetious. What I was referring to is the fact that this is really a manufactured issue brought to us compliments of reverse racism and entitlement. This may come off as insensitive, but I don't care... Let's be real, I highly doubt that there are a bunch of well informed white (see: privileged) dudes on the team that are so upset about racial equality within the university, that they are willing to risk their career over it. It's just not realistic. There are probably some outspoken african-american players on the team that have put everyone in a position where if they oppose the strike, they will be labeled a racist.

 

[gkIrish]

I was being facetious. What I was referring to is the fact that this is really a manufactured issue brought to us compliments of reverse racism and entitlement. This may come off as insensitive, but I don't care... Let's be real, I highly doubt that there are a bunch of well informed white (see: privileged) dudes on the team that are so upset about racial equality within the university, that they are willing to risk their career over it. It's just not realistic. There are probably some outspoken african-american players on the team that have put everyone in a position where if they oppose the strike, they will be labeled a racist.

Oh okay. I probably agree with you but I'm trying to read up on this more.

 

[Luckylucci]

I was being facetious. What I was referring to is the fact that this is really a manufactured issue brought to us compliments of reverse racism and entitlement. This may come off as insensitive, but I don't care... Let's be real, I highly doubt that there are a bunch of well informed white (see: privileged) dudes on the team that are so upset about racial equality within the university, that they are willing to risk their career over it. It's just not realistic. There are probably some outspoken african-american players on the team that have put everyone in a position where if they oppose the strike, they will be labeled a racist.

^^^^This.

 

[RDU Irish]

Let's face it. There is a big competition out there for qualified black students. ND "recruits" minorities big time and have to compete with everyone else for their attendance. Anyone ND is trying to get has a full ride lined up to just about anywhere, regardless of economic status.

End of the day, I added a lot more diversity to Notre Dame as a white kid from a poor rural area than the son of a dentist from Naperville or some other affluent large city suburb who happened to be black.

Notre Dame goes out of its way to be geographically, socioeconomically and ethnically diverse. It is an awesome thing and one of the most unheralded positives of the University. Had I gone to Iowa or Iowa State - much like Mizzou - I would be surrounded by a bunch of people like myself. At ND, I was very out of place.

Midwestern State schools have a tough row to hoe when it comes to diversity. Vast majority of their student body is in-state, pulling kids from out of state is difficult and local demographics are working hard against them.

 

[RDU Irish]

Our parish finance council head told me last year to my face that I was the wrong race and gender for the board. Same group of old white guys that hired a horribly inexperienced female Hispanic to be our principal a few years ago out of a group of well qualified candidates. Who do I get to whine to about this overt racism?

 

[GoIrish41]

Our parish finance council head told me last year to my face that I was the wrong race and gender for the board. Same group of old white guys that hired a horribly inexperienced female Hispanic to be our principal a few years ago out of a group of well qualified candidates. Who do I get to whine to about this overt racism?

IE, apparently.

 

[NDRock]

The youth born in the 90's (Self entitlement era)are going to drag this country down.

Hmm, I thought it was the baby boomers and their long-haired, draft dodging, drug taking, leftist ways. Oh well, the good thing about bitching about the current generation is that there is always a new one to complain about.

Curious, what year were you born?

 

[ACamp1900]

Our parish finance council head told me last year to my face that I was the wrong race and gender for the board.

My family has heard this numerous times... student FA, business loans,... I believe I shared a number of stories over the years on this... jacked up because my family's history has always been poverty level or below laborers.

 

[nsisk157]

Tim Wolfe resigns.

 

[Rizzophil]

Tim Wolfe resigns.

So....that answers a lot of questions

 

[kmoose]

Another interesting twist to this topic:

Tim Wolfe is the President of the University system, which includes ALL of the campuses. Are the other campuses having these same issues? If not, then maybe he's not the guy you should be going after?