2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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woolybug25

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Would you like some cheese with that? You did mention, numerous times, your disdain for Ben Carson "making stuff up". You've shown a pretty consistent "Anti-GOP, Pro-Dem" stance throughout this thread. So I think it was not out of line to make a comparison between Ben Carson "making stuff up", and the leader of your party "making stuff up".

But I will try to keep focusing on the ideas and thoughts here, while you continue to attack people.

Deflect deflect deflect

You still haven't even given an opinion on the topic. Just random comparisons, accusations and spin. Amuse us... Give us your actual opinion on Carsons belief system specifically. Don't compare him, bring in a different topic or deflect. Just acknowledge Carson's comments and your thoughts specifically on those beliefs.
 

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And you ARE being inconsistent if you are FOR protecting people's rights on guns, but AGAINST protecting people's rights to manage their own pain.

My apologies, Dr. Carson; I must have overlooked the Constitutional amendment about the right to manage pain....

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Deflect deflect deflect

You still haven't even given an opinion on the topic. Just random comparisons, accusations and spin. Amuse us... Give us your actual opinion on Carsons belief system specifically. Don't compare him, bring in a different topic or deflect. Just acknowledge Carson's comments and your thoughts specifically on those beliefs.

I'm not a Carson supporter. I think he is probably a really smart, humble guy. But the more I hear from him, the more I agree that he has a little TOO much faith in the literalness of The Bible. But I don't think he's a buffoon, and it seems that people are trying to convince others that he is. I couldn't disagree with Bernie Sanders' politics anymore than I do; but I am not sitting here bashing him about being a communist over and over again.

You want my opinion of Ben Carson? My opinion is that he is probably a great guy, and that he has a lot of the qualities that we should be looking for in a President. But not enough of them. And I think(admittedly without knowing anything about him firsthand) that to continue to demonize him as some kind of psychotic crankpot is pretty disrespectful. He's probably a guy that I would enjoy having a few beers with, but I don't think I could vote for him for President.
 
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Cackalacky

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This is what he does. He is being disingenuous and intentionally mischaracterizing our posts. Its not new but it is tiresome.

I never mentioned Dems, or HRC or lying for political gain.

No per your neg rep kmoose...... this is not attacking a person. It is what you are doing. It is transparent. Keep it up and you earn yourself a break.
 

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Thank you to everybody providing supporting and contrasting information on the candidates. It is helping me to educate myself about them and also to make a decision when I get to the polls. The problem is, we are once again given choices of incompetence, untrustworthiness, and borderline craziness. We deserve better options.
 

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No per your neg rep kmoose...... this is not attacking a person. It is what you are doing. It is transparent. Keep it up and you earn yourself a break.

I'm sorry, but I want to be clear here........... you are warning me that I might be banned why, exactly?
 

IrishinSyria

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Came here to make fun of Carson's view of the pyramids, did a little bit of googling and now I don't know what the heck they were used for.
 

IrishinSyria

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The Pyramids of Egypt: The Original Playboy Mansions........

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that's actually a theory... THEORIES ON WHY THE GREAT PYRAMID WAS BUILT

4) TO PLEASE THE WOMEN

This one is really unique. A Mr. Gable from the 19th century said that "it appears not that the founders of them had any such laudable design of transmitting to posterity specimens, as some had supposed; hence they appear to have been erected for no geometrical purpose. They were erected by those, who after their intermarriages with the daughters of men, became, not only degenerate despisers of useful knowledge, but altogether abandoned to luxury". Thus he felt they were built to please these women, who had requested that the sons of God employ their leisure after that fashion.
 
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Cackalacky

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I'm sorry, but I want to be clear here........... you are warning me that I might be banned why, exactly?

Continuing to argue in bath faith, mis-characterize others posts and intentionally being a troll.

That is fairly clear at this point.
 

kmoose

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Continuing to argue in bath faith, mis-characterize others posts and intentionally being a troll.

That is fairly clear at this point.


I disagree. In fact, I think it is nothing of the sort. I was not threatened with a ban until immediately after I neg repped you. What seems to be clear, on my end, is that you got pissed off about the neg rep and decided to threaten me with "a break".
 
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Cackalacky

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I disagree. In fact, I think it is nothing of the sort. I was not threatened with a ban until immediately after I neg repped you. What seems to be clear, on my end, is that you got pissed off about the neg rep and decided to threaten me with "a break".
Again you are incorrect. Its been a pattern of yours this week. I understand Pham sent you a PM about this? Yes? I don't care about neg reps. Its only my third one ever lol. So I am not spiteful about that. I hold posters who intentionally mischaracterize my posts and other posts as trolling. So... let's knock that off yes?
 
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connor_in

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Continuing to argue in bath faith, mis-characterize others posts and intentionally being a troll.

That is fairly clear at this point.

Bathing is a requirement on IE? On the interwebs?














Playing....don't swing the ban hammer at me
 

kmoose

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Again you are incorrect. Its been a pattern of yours this week. I understand Pham sent you a PM about this? Yes? I don't car about neg reps. Its only my third one ever lol. So I am not spiteful about that. I am spiteful about posters who intentionally mischaracterize my posts and other posts. So... let's knock that off yes?

No. I have received no such PM. And I don't recall mischaracterizing any of your posts, honestly. You may not like what I have to say about them, but that's not the same as mischaracterizing them. If I did, then I would agree that, yes, I would stop that.
 

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Again you are incorrect. Its been a pattern of yours this week. I understand Pham sent you a PM about this? Yes? I don't care about neg reps. Its only my third one ever lol. So I am not spiteful about that. I hold posters who intentionally mischaracterize my posts and other posts as trolling. So... let's knock that off yes?

He was always so fair and reasonable before this week. I don't know what's come over him.
 

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He was always so fair and reasonable before this week. I don't know what's come over him.

The funny thing is that I can get threatened with a ban for arguing about thoughts and ideas, while people continue to attack PEOPLE, and nothing is ever said about it.
 

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Paramids are cool and all but I was curious who we thought would creat to most jobs? Or, who would create the best environment for job creation? I'm sticking with the slogan..."the best social program is a job". I haven't been paying close attention to my party and I won't until Trump is out of the picture. He's the type of guy that may be right but because he is the way that he is...you don't want to agree with him. Back to my question...who gets the most Americans working?
 

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Paramids are cool and all but I was curious who we thought would creat to most jobs? Or, who would create the best environment for job creation? I'm sticking with the slogan..."the best social program is a job". I haven't been paying close attention to my party and I won't until Trump is out of the picture. He's the type of guy that may be right but because he is the way that he is...you don't want to agree with him. Back to my question...who gets the most Americans working?

As long as people want $20/hr with full employer paid benefits, to produce a product with a $.03 profit margin, no one is going to be able to bring back the level of production that the US enjoyed in the 40s-50s-60s. We're going to have to find some level of compromise.
 

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Paramids are cool and all but I was curious who we thought would creat to most jobs? Or, who would create the best environment for job creation? I'm sticking with the slogan..."the best social program is a job". I haven't been paying close attention to my party and I won't until Trump is out of the picture. He's the type of guy that may be right but because he is the way that he is...you don't want to agree with him. Back to my question...who gets the most Americans working?

To the extent that the President has control over that, and I'd argue that the Fed and Congress probably have more control and both of them are subordinate to larger macroeconomic forces, there's not a lot any president will be able to do to get the unemployment rate down: it's humming along at about 5% right now, which is generally considered to be optimal. Granted, there are some real questions about participation rates, but those seem to be a part of a larger pattern.

In the long term, I think the candidate who is best for employment will be the one who invests the most in our country's human capital and infrastructure. Traditional blue collar jobs are on their way out, permanently. What hasn't been outsourced or automated soon will be. America's future, America's comparative advantage, lies in its creativity and in order to take advantage of that we need smart people. I haven't paid enough attention to any campaign to know, but if it's jobs you're concerned about you should be looking through platforms to see whose going to invest in a) improving our human capital and b) modernizing our public infrastructure so that it can adapt to the demands of the 21st century.
 
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Cackalacky

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The funny thing is that I can get threatened with a ban for arguing about thoughts and ideas, while people continue to attack PEOPLE, and nothing is ever said about it.

This is the last I will say about it but that is not what you are doing. You are not arguing thoughts, ideas or the points being made. You are not even addressing others points.

I don't tolerate personal attacks. I also do not tolerate arguing in bad faith. Other than that I don't care and the Lep Lounge can be Thunderdome.
 

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This is the last I will say about it but that is not what you are doing. You are not arguing thoughts, ideas or the points being made. You are not even addressing others points.

I don't tolerate personal attacks. I also do not tolerate arguing in bad faith. Other than that I don't care and the Lep Lounge can be Thunderdome.

I flatly reject the assertion that I don't argue thoughts, ideas, or the points being made. I can't help it if people don't like that I disagree with them.

Honest question: Do you consider GoIrish's post about me to be a personal attack?
 

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Which is why my OP was complimentary of Christy's comments about treatment for addiction. I suspect that paying for treatment for addiction is considerably less expensive than locking people up in the insane numbers that we do in this country, not to mention clogging up court dockets, and the re-direction of law enforcement resources that the "war on drugs" has brought about in this country.

And you ARE being inconsistent if you are FOR protecting people's rights on guns, but AGAINST protecting people's rights to manage their own pain. And I say this with the caveat that I, again, see almost no connection to these two topics -- one has to do with individual rights that end up with people being killed in movie theaters and churches (hurting others) and one has to do with individual rights that allow people to make decisions about their own bodies. You are making the same kind of "beside the point" arguments to me as you are to Cack and Wooly above on a totally different topic. I will agree with Cack, it is tiresome.

Can we agree that neither party has good solutions for the War on Drugs? Dems just don't address it. Who of them have really come out with a true position on policy for dealing with drugs? It is all lip service. Republicans are no better because the only policy ever vocalized is one of "drugs are bad, hmm-kay." send everyone to jail who provides the goods and services we outlaw because we insist on imposing our belief system on the world. Pot legalization being driven from the STATE level is an excellent example of 50 incubators of policy driving the best solution to the top over time. Back off feds.
 
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Cackalacky

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I flatly reject the assertion that I don't argue thoughts, ideas, or the points being made. I can't help it if people don't like that I disagree with them.

Honest question: Do you consider GoIrish's post about me to be a personal attack?

I posted the article about Ben Carson. It had specific things in it tha trelate to most everything I have posted about Ben Carson. As stated in other posts of mine, I was only talking about Ben Carson.

You then post a lying compilation about HRC as if it pertained to Ben Carson. It did not.

You then redirect it about lying, when in fact it had nothing to do with lying. It had only to do with Ben Carson having a problem with reality. That is all it has ever been.

You then continue on this path.


There are others from this week. A few days ago in fact. I posted a series of videos in which you did not watch yet continued on posting stuff the videos addressed. If you only watched the videos you would not have posted some of the things you did. I know no one will watch them. i hope they do but you not only admitted to not watching them but purposefully continued on redirecting the conversation. in another direction. It's not that I don't agree with your post or in fact don't like them. I don''t like when I take the time to post something I think someone might be interested in and have someone (you in this case) post a bunch of crap that has little to do with the post you were responding to.

Yes that is trolling.

And I don't know what you are talking about with GoIrish 41? Do you mean the post above that is in italics?
 

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And I see nothing wrong with anything kmoose has done. Cack is taking it personal when his facts are not accepted as fact or marginalized.
 
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And I see nothing wrong with anything kmoose has done. Cack is taking it personal when his facts are not accepted as fact or marginalized.

No way....how does a lying compilation tit for tat video marginalize the fact the Ben Carson is a lunatic? I don't take that personally. I find it disingenuous and bad for discussion. This is incredible...
 

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Can we agree that neither party has good solutions for the War on Drugs? Dems just don't address it. Who of them have really come out with a true position on policy for dealing with drugs? It is all lip service. Republicans are no better because the only policy ever vocalized is one of "drugs are bad, hmm-kay." send everyone to jail who provides the goods and services we outlaw because we insist on imposing our belief system on the world. Pot legalization being driven from the STATE level is an excellent example of 50 incubators of policy driving the best solution to the top over time. Back off feds.

I think we can agree that most do not have good solutions. One of the reasons I support Bernie Sanders is because of his views on ending the war on drugs. Here is a synopsis of his plan from his campaign website.

Bernie Sanders on Drug Policy
 

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And I don't know what you are talking about with GoIrish 41? Do you mean the post above that is in italics?

Yes. The one where he says that he doesn't understand how I could be acting like this, in italics, which indicates that he means exactly the opposite. He didn't say anything about my thoughts or ideas. He spoke directly about ME. Do you consider that a personal attack?
 

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No way....how does a lying compilation tit for tat video marginalize the fact the Ben Carson is a lunatic? I don't take that personally. I find it disingenuous and bad for discussion. This is incredible...

Seemed relevant to me. Yes it is bad for YOUR discussion that is demonizing Carson - wait you don't believe in demons but hopefully you get the point. Seems to me your are disingenuously trying to throw all Republicans/possibly all Christians under the bus for the beliefs of one fringe element.

If left to choose between Carson and HRC, this comparison of bad science versus flat out lying to the public for personal gain seems very relevant. Both are negative marks - but which one is relevant to what they can actually do as POTUS? At the end of the day, do you want to revoke all human rights for someone that does not subscribe to your view on evolution and creation of the universe? 99% of people really don't give a shit because they are at least smart enough to know those issues have zero impact on what happens tomorrow.
 
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Yes. The one where he says that he doesn't understand how I could be acting like this, in italics, which indicates that he means exactly the opposite. He didn't say anything about my thoughts or ideas. He spoke directly about ME. Do you consider that a personal attack?

An observation on your posting behavior maybe. Yes. One I concur with. A personal attack? No.
 
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