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Was John Ryan around during the beginning of the Kelly era? I cant remember. If so, he gets my vote.... I'm sorry I cant even type that without laughing.
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Was John Ryan around during the beginning of the Kelly era? I cant remember. If so, he gets my vote.... I'm sorry I cant even type that without laughing.
Tuitt would easily be first. Not even close, 22 sacks speak for itself. Tillery has already accomplished more in his FR. year than Nix did his FR. year. KLM was a solid player and team leader. Rochell is under appreciated by many. Really good player. Day would be 2nd behind Tuitt.
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I'd love a couple of demonic pass rushers too. But "not elite at anything" could also describe KLM or Isaac Rochell. Has experience not taught us by now to take all the DLs?
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Kap had 175 tackles in his ND career, Tuitt had 124. Tuitt had a year of limited rotational duty, 2/3's of a season where he looked like the best defensive lineman in the country, and one decent season his Junior year. I'd personally take 2012 Kap over 2013 Tuitt. Kap was a four year starter, and had three seasons of very good play, and 2012 was just a bit short of elite. Tuitt had 8.5 sacks in the first seven games of 2012, and 11.5 in his next 19 games. We really only saw fewer than 10 games where Tuitt played at an elite level his entire ND career. Kap played basically at a good to very good level for basically four years. Just depends on what you value more I suppose.
Nix IMO was the biggest impact player on the defense in the 2012 season (which I know a lot of people would argue against, to each their own). A huge part of how stout we were in the red zone in 2012 was that running up the gut with Nix there (along with a great cast admittedly) was a loosing proposition every time.
Day would be right up there if he were healthy for more of his career, and if he keeps up the pace he's been at he can certainly make up for a lot of that.
We could discuss this all day, the D-line certainly all got hot at the same time in 2012. We haven't had a healthy, championship caliber playing together since. Still an underrated unit, but needs more elite blood in there.
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with the #'s getting smaller...we have a bunch of DT's right now and all have the same amount of time left as they are not playing this year...yes we need bodies but we also need some serious help on the back end and we are in play w/ some high caliber guys than we are on the line...win out and hopefully that changes things for some
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I want another Rochelle.
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Yeah he's not as athletic or big as Rochelle but plays that same SDE role. Rochelle really has been great this year though. Definitely our best DE.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2016 CO DE Carlo Kemp had high expectations for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> official this past weekend. They were exceeded. (Premium) <a href="http://t.co/dHNwNfo9rx">http://t.co/dHNwNfo9rx</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/654288472660905984">October 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If this kid can grow into one of the 2 DT positions, I want him. If he's going to be an edge rusher, pass. Especially with Okwara, Haryes, Jamir Jones, Oke, and potentially Karim in this class.
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If this kid can be another Rochelle, I'll take two.
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Agreed. If he can anchor/collapse one of the edges, I believe we can find rushers in the rest of the class. If he can give us Rochelle level of play, I'd take him twice.
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We really don't talk about Rochelle enough. That dude is so good at what he does.
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I don't get the Rochelle comparison.
Rochelle came in at 6'5", 260, with a great offer list. This kid's listed at 6'3", 255 with a below average offer list. I guess I'm not interested, at this point, in poor man's Rochelles. I'm interested in Rochelles.
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Rochelle came in at 6'5", 260, with a great offer list. This kid's listed at 6'3", 255 with a below average offer list. I guess I'm not interested, at this point, in poor man's Rochelles. I'm interested in Rochelles.
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Agree with this. Think we could probably find a DT better than him too.
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You don't get the comparison? They are within 1.5-2" in height, 5 lbs in weight, both are in the top 15 for the SDE position with the only major difference being that Rochelle was in the top 110 and Kemp is only in the top 310.
That and we only have 2-3 other DEs that are interested so I'd happily take a pledge from him. Even with Kareem and Hayes in the fold but perhaps we/I am in the minority.
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Rochelle, however did come in as an extremely strong kid.
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2 inches matters. People always joke about not liking a recruit based on 2 inches of height, but that extends you frame quite a bit and how much you can physically develop. Rochelle isn't a speedster or edge rusher, but he's big and really strong. Watch his high school tape and how much stronger he looks (against superior competition) than Kemp does. Kemp's film personally doesn't impress me. Nor does his offer list.
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Rivals has an update with him post Colorado OV. The visit didn't really change anything, its still a ND/UM battle and he's getting into decision mode now. Expects to make a decision sooner rather than later.
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Is he a take right now!?
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You are the guys who asks if Bonita fish are big at dinner, lol.
First off it's Rochell not Rochelle. Secondly Isaac is a shade over 6-3. He's never been 6-5 as some have claimed.
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That's often the case. So Kemp is probably like 6'1". Recruits over list far more often than they accurately list.
6'2 and 3/8" according to Scout, no idea where it came from that specific
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The comparison for me doesn't have as much to do with measureables as it does expected position and impact. I think Kemp will end up being an early down SDE that will eventually grow into a 3T or slide inside in pass rush situations. I don't think he'll be as good as Rochell. FWIW, Rochell is quietly having a fantastic year against the run.
When it's that specific it's highly likely he was measured at some camp.