Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Irish Insanity]

I don't know where people would have ever come up with the idea:

Lol. So post 107. That's far from the OP, and I'm sure we'll after the ones who blindly support BK began manipulating the actual context of the intended thread topic to one they think they have a argument towards.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Then don't start it before we have even lost one.

He didn't start a fire Kelly thread. Apparently you must've missed the OP as well.

 

[gkIrish]

I probably missed it, but where is anyone calling for anyone's head?

Ummm, the OP?

FWIW, GK just said a few posts ago that this isn't something he thinks should happen now. Nor do I and I don't think we've seen a lot of people saying it should. Its mostly discussion about what is wrong, if anything, and can it be fixed.

Not once.

I may have used the words "fire BK" in a post or two for convenience rather than typing out "fire BK if he doesn't win 9-10 games" but I've made it clear that I'm simply questioning if he is the right guy and IMO he probably isn't but we have to let the season pan out.

I can use the search feature too kmoose. Feel free to apologize.

 

[kmoose]

He didn't start a fire Kelly thread. Apparently you must've missed the OP as well.

Right......... he started a "Fire Kelly if we lose 4 games" thread, before we had even lost one game.

 

[kmoose]

I can use the search feature too kmoose. Feel free to apologize.

I'm sorry that you indicated that you started a fire the coach thread, knowing it would be unpopular, and then got butthurt and defensive when it became unpopular.

 

[stlnd01]

We just lost ONE game, on the road, in the monsoon, against a ranked opponent, by 2, with a chance to tie with 7 seconds left. Where are you getting "if we lose four games"?

If we dig a pit at the 50 yard line down to hell and start worshipping Satan...?

Neither of these things have happened and I am sure they are working to try to make sure neither happens.

From GK saying he wouldn't call for a firing "unless we lose four games this year." Settle down. We're making the same point.

Man there's a lot of piss in everyone's oatmeal around here this morning. Hopefully the team feels the same way and takes it out on Navy.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm sorry that you indicated that you started a fire the coach thread, knowing it would be unpopular, and then got butthurt and defensive when it became unpopular.

LOL! And if we lose a bunch of games this year he will be screaming "I told you so" at the top of his lungs.

The "bad luck" data is incredibly compelling and classic "Luck of the Irish" - the ignorant commentators will always use that term to describe good luck but the real source is directly correlated to Murphy's Law. The inability to acknowledge any legitimacy is disingenuous, IMO.

Champions need good luck and have to overcome some adversity. The three QB model of OSU is not the norm. It was only made possible by a complete joke of a schedule and a weak conference. They only need to play well in November and January! Bama plays about three meaningful games, one of which is the SEC championship game. That leaves a lot of margin for error. Then they can recruit differently and bring in JUCOs, this dramatically increases their margin for error. These factors add up to these programs manufacturing some luck by eliminating a lot of risk.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm sorry that you indicated that you started a fire the coach thread, knowing it would be unpopular, and then got butthurt and defensive when it became unpopular.

You tried calling me out just now and failed miserably in trying to prove I've been inconsistent in some way.

I may get defensive but that's only because a large amount of people who post in this thread are posting mindless non-substantive posts like sheep following a shepherd. You aren't one of those people, btw, but that's why I take offense to so many posts.

Whiskey recently came at me with fact-based information. Others have done the same. I welcome that. What I can't stand is the YOU HATE NOTRE DAME GO TO NDNATION posts that are just ridiculous.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Right......... he started a "Brian Kelly Revisited" thread, before we had even lost one game.

FIFY

 

[gkIrish]

LOL! And if we lose a bunch of games this year he will be screaming "I told you so" at the top of his lungs.

I won't. I'll just be mostly sad that we lost a bunch of games. Your side of the aisle was screaming "I told you so" after the Georgia Tech game and now they look like fools.

The "bad luck" data is incredibly compelling and classic "Luck of the Irish" - the ignorant commentators will always use that term to describe good luck but the real source is directly correlated to Murphy's Law. The inability to acknowledge any legitimacy is disingenuous, IMO.

Please respond to my post #1265. I feel that I raised legitimate criticisms of that model. I'm curious to see what you think about them.

 

[kmoose]

FIFY

According to gk's own words, there was nothing to fix. Are you telling me that he doesn't know what he started, but you do?

But apparently this is the Fire Brian Kelly Thread when it's really the Fire Brian Kelly If we lose 4 games thread

 

[gkIrish]

FIFY

According to gk's own words, there was nothing to fix. Are you telling me that he doesn't know what he started, but you do?

It's the "ANYTHING RELATED TO BRIAN KELLY GOOD OR BAD THREAD"

Sound good to everyone?

Everyone's losing their fucking minds over a thread they can choose not to read.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think it should be the pile on gk for fun thread....

 

[gkIrish]

I think it should be the pile on gk for fun thread....

If you guys are actually attractive girls I'm all for that.

 

[RDU Irish]

You have said that coaching is the cause of above average fumbles relative to Clemson. I think it is an independent variable. You put the Clemson loss on Kelly, I put it on a -3 TO margin (that I would push to -4 if you account for the shit punt giving them short field in their second possession). Almost impossible to overcome that TO margin against a quality opponent!

Recognizing my own biases, it seems inevitable that we get free TOs against lesser opponents and give them up against the better ones. Just as I can be blamed of "confirmation bias" for accepting that stat at face value - you also exhibit a "confirmation bias" by refusing to give it a fair shake.

 

[kmoose]

You tried calling me out just now and failed miserably in trying to prove I've been inconsistent in some way.

I think saying, "I know this thread will be unpopular", and then complaining about blowback from it is inconsistent.

I may get defensive but that's only because a large amount of people who post in this thread are posting mindless non-substantive posts like sheep following a shepherd. You aren't one of those people, btw, but that's why I take offense to so many posts.

I can understand that. But, as you pointed out, I am not one of those people, so it is hard for me not take the stance(s) I have.

Whiskey recently came at me with fact-based information. Others have done the same. I welcome that. What I can't stand is the YOU HATE NOTRE DAME GO TO NDNATION posts that are just ridiculous.

Oh man! I could not agree more with this. I have some spirited debates on here, but I can't think of many that I think should just go somewhere else. And, even then, it is usually only a temporary feeling. We all know that koon would be, and should be, the first and only one voted off of IE Island, and banished to ND Nation.

 

[ACamp1900]

If you guys are actually attractive girls I'm all for that.

like it matters to you......

 

[palinurus]

Which colleges the pros come from....

Colleges With the Most Active NFL Players

...related to the topic, of course, as an indication of the talent recruited. You can judge, and opinions may vary, as to whether the talent level matches program results, and whose fault, if there is a fault, it is.

Irish are #9, according to this, btw, maybe ironically, one place above Clemson.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I feel like BK did exactly what most people here have complained about him NOT doing numerous times in the past: commit to the run, and don't panic and start an air raid by the second possession. It was almost like he reads the Gameday posts here and took notes. He trusted his o-line to make the plays they have been lauded for making, and they didn't reciprocate. Loaded box or not, they were getting worked all night.

But they were getting worked because of the loaded box...

I have no idea how you could put the blame on the oline in that situation.

 

[Irish Insanity]

But they were getting worked because of the loaded box...

I have no idea how you could put the blame on the oline in that situation.

Watching the ND show last night, it was embarrassing the way we ran continually at the loaded box. And maybe it was the camera angle, but the last play they overloaded and destroyed our left side and caught Kizer from the left/backside.

 

[kmoose]

Watching the ND show last night, it was embarrassing the way we ran continually at the loaded box. And maybe it was the camera angle, but the last play they overloaded and destroyed our left side and caught Kizer from the left/backside.

Remember that, when Tommy Rees was under center, Kelly used to talk about the fact that Tommy had run/pass option, based on the pre snap read, on virtually every play. I think that Kizer will eventually have the same, if he learns to make good pre-snap reads. In fact, Kelly gave it to him on the two point conversion. But he probably just isn't ready to do that every snap yet. So we may see this end up being an anomaly, instead of poor coaching.

 

[dublinirish]

Remember that, when Tommy Rees was under center, Kelly used to talk about the fact that Tommy had run/pass option, based on the pre snap read, on virtually every play. I think that Kizer will eventually have the same, if he learns to make good pre-snap reads. In fact, Kelly gave it to him on the two point conversion. But he probably just isn't ready to do that every snap yet. So we may see this end up being an anomaly, instead of poor coaching.

On the 2pt play at the end the right option was taken on the run/pass playcall as Clemson had 6 defenders in the box versus ND's 7 (includes Kizer)

 

[jerboski]

I completely forgot about Matt James. You could make a list a mile long.

Will Mahone, Aaron Lynch, etc. I consider typical attrition. Kids are going to be knuckleheads sometimes, every program has guys get in trouble/wash out.

Speaking of other coaches... if Swarbrick called me up tomorrow and said "I can get Gary Patterson or Chip Kelly, but only if you cut me a check for $50k" I'd do it and not think twice. I bet he could raise an insane amount of money from boosters for a truly elite coach if one was willing to come. How quickly they raised funds for this stupid stadium expansion actually surprised me... I thought they'd have harder time. For the next coach, we'll be out from under the Weis contract and it's going to be VERY interesting to see how much money they green light from internal sources and how much of the HC's contract they try to "crowd source."

I would throw in an additional $50K for Chip or Patterson LAX... Let me know who to write the check too!

 

[kmoose]

I would throw in an additional $50K for Chip or Patterson LAX... Let me know who to write the check too!

k-m-o-o-s-e

PM for mailing information.

 

[Irish Insanity]

On the 2pt play at the end the right option was taken on the run/pass playcall as Clemson had 6 defenders in the box versus ND's 7 (includes Kizer)

It almost looked like Kizer hesitated for a second, waiting to pick. I don't think he realized the backside collapsed.

 

[kmoose]

It almost looked like Kizer hesitated for a second, waiting to pick. I don't think he realized the backside collapsed.

It was a pre-snap decision. He comes to the line, counts the number of guys in the box, and then calls run or pass, based on the numbers. It's not a rollout-type option where he can see if the blocking develops.

 

[dublinirish]

It was a pre-snap decision. He comes to the line, counts the number of guys in the box, and then calls run or pass, based on the numbers. It's not a rollout-type option where he can see if the blocking develops.

yup, the guys on II mentioned too that if DK identified the pass play as the proper option he would only have one receiving target to throw to. (possibly a TE)

 

[Irish Insanity]

It was a pre-snap decision. He comes to the line, counts the number of guys in the box, and then calls run or pass, based on the numbers. It's not a rollout-type option where he can see if the blocking develops.

I get that. I just think Kizer hesitated just long enough for the left side to collapse and get to him.

 

[gkIrish]

Quick straw poll so we are all on the same page before the USC game:

(A) If we lose this game by 10+ will anyone's overall opinion change about BK?

(B) If we win this game by 10+ will your opinion change?

For me, the answer to both A & B is no, it still depends on how the entire season goes. But A will likely signify more bad things to come.

Just curious if this game, by itself, has the power to sway your opinion.

 

[tko]

Quick straw poll so we are all on the same page before the USC game:

(A) If we lose this game by 10+ will anyone's overall opinion change about BK?

(B) If we win this game by 10+ will your opinion change?

For me, the answer to both A & B is no, it still depends on how the entire season goes. But A will likely signify more bad things to come.

Just curious if this game, by itself, has the power to sway your opinion.

I can't stand Kelly, so no change to my opinion will take place.