'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

[kmoose]

Also it wasn't like Morgen was totally lost last year but the only time I remember him seeing him playing defense this year was late in the second half against UMass. I would think getting him some occasional game time experience would be a plus, if not for this year then next.

Maybe he isn't earning it? Maybe his grades are bad, and the staff is giving him plenty of time to focus on academics rather than the playbook? Or maybe he has been habitually late to meetings, etc? Or maybe he just has a bad attitude in practice? Who knows? But I do think I know one thing: None of the coaches whose income depends on the result of the games (which is all of them) is holding out a kid who could help win a game, without a damn good reason.

 

[GoIrish41]

Anyone notice Joe's helmet? Haven't ever noticed another that looked more war torn . If anyone can find a picture of It please post. I need that for my files..

Maybe it was him slapping his palm on his forehead all night and saying "Damn, I missed another tackle!"

 

[kmoose]

Maybe it was him slapping his palm on his forehead all night and saying "Damn, I missed another tackle!"

That was the safeties..........

 

[ThePiombino]

Schmidt's play this season makes me miss Foxabrese. And they gave me heartburn.

 

[Irish Insanity]

On numerous plays last night Joe was man on man with a WR or the RB split out wide. I don't know what BvG is doing. No clue.

Well, it's better than Day.

I think.

 

[IrishLion]

Schmidt's play this season makes me miss Foxabrese. And they gave me heartburn.

Too far.

But seriously, the defense was borderline great in the second half. I think it helped that Clemson went super conservative. Joe played well in terms of fitting his gap in the second half, but if the box hadn't been loaded then that might not have been enough.

And everyone was a step slow on the first two drives, but the problem is that it seems to be sort of a pattern for Joe. He sees the play very well and knows where he needs to be, but often his reaction and his angles leave him just behind where he needs to be. Hopefully he's still just getting his legs back.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Complain all you want about Joe. But if Nyles gave the team a better chance at winning he would be in there.


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[Irish Insanity]

Complain all you want about Joe. But if Nyles gave the team a better chance at winning he would be in there.


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I'm not on the hate Joe bandwagon. But are you sure? I'm not.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'm not on the hate Joe bandwagon. But are you sure? I'm not.

God I hope what I said is accurate.


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[MJ12666]

Maybe he isn't earning it? Maybe his grades are bad, and the staff is giving him plenty of time to focus on academics rather than the playbook? Or maybe he has been habitually late to meetings, etc? Or maybe he just has a bad attitude in practice? Who knows? But I do think I know one thing: None of the coaches whose income depends on the result of the games (which is all of them) is holding out a kid who could help win a game, without a damn good reason.

You are correct that nether one of us knows the reason but it would not be the first time that coaches do not play the best player at a specific position. There are many examples of better players sitting behind starters. The most high profile is generally the QB position, for example Bledsoe and Brady, Farve and Rodgers are the first that come to mind. If this can happen in the pros where coaches are way more vulnerable to being fired for losing then do you really believe it can't happen in college? I am not saying that they are playing Schmidt purposely knowing that Morgan is better, I am sure they have justified in their own minds that they are playing the players that give ND the best chance to win, and if Schmidt is really more talented then Morgan, then the rating system is really unreliable and therefore our perception of just how talented this team is is also questionable.

 

[ulukinatme]

If we drop another game, whether it be to Southern Cal or other, I think we need to look to getting Nyles or someone else more reps to prepare for the future. It's harder to learn when someone is playing in front of you. Not saying sit Joe, just saying Nyles should come in and help split some more reps with him, on the job training (And on the practice field of course) and Joe can help coach him up on the sideline.

 

[gkIrish]

Complain all you want about Joe. But if Nyles gave the team a better chance at winning he would be in there.


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I'm not on the hate Joe bandwagon. But are you sure? I'm not.

I'm not sure about that either.

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...-grades-watson-gallman-fuel-tigers-on-ground/

Here are the top takeaways and highest-graded players from the Notre Dame-Clemson game:

Notre Dame Fighting Irish

– Drops and fumbles. Coaches and players can’t use the weather as an excuse, but it had an enormous impact on the Irish. C.J. Sanders’ (-2.3 as a returner) fumble on the opening kickoff of the second half and wide receiver Chris Brown’s (-1.3) late fumble at the goal line were defining moments in the game. Not to mention quarterback DeShone Kizer’s (-5.7) two fumbles that were recovered and Sanders’ muffed punt. The Irish also dropped five passes that traveled a total of 103 yards in the air. Wide receiver Corey Robinson (-2.1) added another uncounted drop on their first two-point conversion attempt that ended up being the final difference in the game.

– The other big storyline for the Irish was how little push they got from their offensive line. Right guard Steve Elmer (-3.1) was once again the main culprit. No missed block was bigger than his last one that resulted in the stop on Notre Dame’s final two-point conversion try. Left guard Quenton Nelson (-0.6) and left tackle Ronnie Stanley (+1.1) also struggled, earning their first negative run-blocking grades of the season.

– Linebacker Jaylon Smith (+3.1) and defensive tackle Sheldon Day (+7.2) continue to carry this defense. Smith recovered well from an ugly early missed tackle to lead the team with five stops, while Day was unblockable in the run game, where he earned almost all of his grade. The lone weak spot in Notre Dame’s run defense was inside linebacker Joe Schmidt (-7.4), who missed five tackles and didn’t record a single stop.

Top performers:

DT Sheldon Day (+7.2)

DT Jerry Tillery (+3.7)

LB Jaylon Smith (+3.1)

FS Max Redfield (+1.3)

C Nick Martin and LT Ronnie Stanley (+1.1)

 

[IrishLion]

Good lord, isn't a -7 monstrous in their grading lol?

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

My issue isn't so much Joe, its BVG. Joe is Joe, He is only so fast and has some obvious physical limitations but he gives it hell that's for sure.

BVG. If the scheme is so challenging that you can't get your best athletes on the field, it needs reevaluated. I have a hard time believing that Nyles is a dumb a**. But BVG is so hell bent on blitzing all that time that Joe is at times stuck covering people that he has absolutely no business covering one on one.

to add. If Nyles was in some sort of 'trouble' be academics or "team" issues, we would of heard something by now.

I noticed that the saints have the same issue's we have in Rob Ryan. Dude is a blitzing maniac and leaves the middle of field wide open and leaves the secondary hanging. Granted the saints won, but food for thought.

 

[Luckylucci]

Good lord, isn't a -7 monstrous in their grading lol?

Yea, not sure the last time I saw that poor of a grade.

 

[IrishLax]

Wow, I knew it'd be bad but I've never actually seen a grade THAT bad. It was painfully obvious how terrible he played on Saturday though, which just makes me sad to my core.

 

[koonja]

Joe Schmidt has to sit IMO. I feel like once we put Morgan in there, it'll be apparent. Half of our defense is returning starters, I think they'll figure out where to stand easier than we give them credit for. This will be a situation where once we see Morgan, most will agree all he needed was time on the field and it improves our defense very quickly.

 

[koonja]

Wow, I knew it'd be bad but I've never actually seen a grade THAT bad. It was painfully obvious how terrible he played on Saturday though, which just makes me sad to my core.

He's been bad to average in almost every game IMO.

 

[Luckylucci]

He's been bad to average in almost every game IMO.

GT was a good performance but I agree on the others. Though our defense played well against Texas, I didn't think that Schmidt looked very good. Left a lot of plays on the field. At this point I'm not really sure what needs to happen before we look at other options. If he's been consistently this poor through these games, he can't be playing lights out in practice, so what's next?

Honestly, its fairly depressing as you really want to root for the guy but its obvious he's not the man for the job. However, we don't have anybody else, apparently.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Troubling...what to do...

 

[koonja]

Troubling...what to do...

I say give the 240 LB guy behind him who runs like a deer and hits like a truck a shot. Let him learn on the job and be ready to mash people along with Jaylon come playoff time. But I'm just a guy on the couch with a beer can, so what do I know.

 

[kmoose]

You are correct that nether one of us knows the reason but it would not be the first time that coaches do not play the best player at a specific position. There are many examples of better players sitting behind starters. The most high profile is generally the QB position, for example Bledsoe and Brady, Farve and Rodgers are the first that come to mind. If this can happen in the pros where coaches are way more vulnerable to being fired for losing then do you really believe it can't happen in college? I am not saying that they are playing Schmidt purposely knowing that Morgan is better, I am sure they have justified in their own minds that they are playing the players that give ND the best chance to win, and if Schmidt is really more talented then Morgan, then the rating system is really unreliable and therefore our perception of just how talented this team is is also questionable.

It's not always a question of who is more talented. It's often a question of who is best for the team. I'd rather have Kent Graham as my QB than Ryan Leaf. That's not to say that Nyles Morgan is a psychotic headcase, but maybe there is a personality issue that keeps him off of the field. Maybe he is just a selfish player who doesn't want to simply play his part. I really don't know.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wonder if Joe Schmidt ('s play) is the elephant in the room in the Gug?

 

[gkIrish]

GT was a good performance but I agree on the others. Though our defense played well against Texas, I didn't think that Schmidt looked very good. Left a lot of plays on the field. At this point I'm not really sure what needs to happen before we look at other options. If he's been consistently this poor through these games, he can't be playing lights out in practice, so what's next?

Honestly, its fairly depressing as you really want to root for the guy but its obvious he's not the man for the job. However, we don't have anybody else, apparently.

I think BK put himself in a tough situation when he named Schmidt a captain. Basically made a commitment to starting him the whole season. Farley's situation is a bit different because he wasn't starting every game last year and people knew he wasn't going to start this year.

Not saying Schmidt didn't deserve to be a captain. Clearly he is a leader. But I think in the back of BK's mind he thinks it will look bad if you bench your captain and so he won't do it.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's not always a question of who is more talented. It's often a question of who is best for the team. I'd rather have Kent Graham as my QB than Ryan Leaf. That's not to say that Nyles Morgan is a psychotic headcase, but maybe there is a personality issue that keeps him off of the field. Maybe he is just a selfish player who doesn't want to simply play his part. I really don't know.

For someone who "really doesn't know", you have an awful lot to say about Morgan or - more specifically - why he isn't playing.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think BK put himself in a tough situation when he named Schmidt a captain. Basically made a commitment to starting him the whole season. Farley's situation is a bit different because he wasn't starting every game last year and people knew he wasn't going to start this year.

Not saying Schmidt didn't deserve to be a captain. Clearly he is a leader. But I think in the back of BK's mind he thinks it will look bad if you bench your captain and so he won't do it.

JT Barrett is also a captain...but that is more like the Farley situation...

 

[IrishLax]

I think BK put himself in a tough situation when he named Schmidt a captain. Basically made a commitment to starting him the whole season. Farley's situation is a bit different because he wasn't starting every game last year and people knew he wasn't going to start this year.

Not saying Schmidt didn't deserve to be a captain. Clearly he is a leader. But I think in the back of BK's mind he thinks it will look bad if you bench your captain and so he won't do it.

Agreed. Is there a hybrid solution where Morgan, Grace, or Martini starts getting some reps at MIKE though? Where you don't play Schmidt for the same quantity of snaps but still start him?

 

[Luckylucci]

I wonder if Joe Schmidt ('s play) is the elephant in the room in the Gug?

Its truly amazing that a guy with BVG's experience uses or tries to use Schmidt the way that he does. I really hope there is conversation going on about it but I don't feel optimistic about it. It almost seems as though we've predetermined that this is what we have, like GK said, and we have to make due.

 

[ThePiombino]

Agreed. Is there a hybrid solution where Morgan, Grace, or Martini starts getting some reps at MIKE though? Where you don't play Schmidt for the same quantity of snaps but still start him?

Have to hope BK isn't too stubborn to figure someone along those lines out.