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The "tighter edits" should never have been in his article in the first place. The "points" he made weren't journalism, it was stuff you read on message boards. At best, it was stuff you would see Bill Simmons write, which again, isn't really journalism.

This doesn't make any sense. The guy is paid by ESPN to blog about the Patriots. Just because you don't like what he said doesn't mean it shouldn't have been printed. That is exactly his job.
 

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I really hope we can just turn the page here.

Patriots fans are perpetuating this is as much Pats haters now.

It's nauseating.

Not just here. Everywhere.
 
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I really hope we can just turn the page here.

Patriots fans are perpetuating this is as much Pats haters now.

It's nauseating.

Not just here. Everywhere.

NBC/ESPN focusing on the Steelers radio communications going down when they are NFL-controlled isn't helping things.

I think that weird wet stuff falling from the sky was Belichick's fault also.
 
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The Patriots will be a center focal point for "cheating" for a decade or so. Or until some other club has an unfortunate and just as innocent circumstance as the Pats did with their balls.

I for one, will unsubscribe.

But boys, keep up the good fight.

Without you, Brady's appeal probably would have went to shit. Lmao.
 
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I was intrigued then someone did research and saw he only worked 3 games with Brady/McNally....so a lot of his quotes don't make any sense. Bit suspicious, but he also seems to be embellishing a lot since he completely exaggerated about how many games he worked.

If true then yeah this is probably someone just trying to get publicity.
 

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KRAVITZ BLOG: Indy-based NFL official Baltz was suspicious of McNally years ago
Posted: Sep 17, 2015 2:14 PM EDT
Updated: Sep 17, 2015 2:30 PM EDT
By Bob Kravitz, WTHR SportsConnect



INDIANAPOLIS -
When Deflategate broke wide open, Indianapolis-based former NFL head linesman Mark Baltz wasn’t particularly surprised. More specifically, he wasn’t surprised that lockerroom attendant Jim McNally, who this week got his job back with the Patriots along with equipment assistant John Jastremski, was in the middle of the months-long investigation.

“He always asked for the footballs way, way before he was supposed to get them,’’ said Baltz, who was an NFL official from 1989-2013. Baltz spoke to WTHR.com last week, before the pair was reinstated. “If he could get them 10 or 15 minutes before he was supposed to get them, instead of the usual two minutes before the game – and there were some crews that let him do that – he would do it. I wouldn’t let him take them early, and I think he eventually figured that out because he stopped asking after a while. I probably did 10 to 15 games up there (in Foxboro, Mass.) and those first few times, he’d always ask. I always thought it was very suspicious. He certainly acted in a suspicious manner.’’

Baltz, in fact, said he reported McNally to league officials “six or eight years ago,’’ concerned not only about his early requests for the footballs, but for the way he operated before and during games.

“For an officials’ locker room attendant, I always thought he was an unusual dude,’’ Baltz said. “Most locker room guys, they sit there and if you need something, they got it for you. When you left the locker room, you’d lock the door and they’d stay right there. The other 31 teams, that’s what they would do. That was his job.

“But McNally, he was running all around like a chicken with his head cut off. Asking for the balls early. What I specifically reported him for several years ago, and I thought this was really unusual, he’d run out on the field with the footballs before the game and the next thing you know, he’s playing pitch-and-catch with (Tom) Brady. Then, next thing, he’s on the sidelines right next to (Bill) Belichick, like he’s a (bleeping) assistant coach or something.

According to reports, McNally and Jastremski will return from the Patriots in different roles from the ones they had before Deflategate. McNally cannot be a locker room attendant or handle equipment. Jastremski can no longer handle game balls. The pair were suspended during the Deflategate mess; the Patriots said the NFL told them to suspend the two men and the league said the Patriots suspended them.

Either way, both are now back – in different roles.

“He (McNally) was always worried about the footalls,’’ Baltz said. “Always. It was very odd. I reported him to the league, but never got any reaction from them. I don’t think they thought it was a big deal at the time. But (McNally) did things that 31 other locker room attendants don’t do.

“I think McNally did his homework and knew which crews he was dealing with and which crews he could get over on. `Are the footballs ready yet? Are the footballs ready.’ I’d tell him, `Yeah, they’re ready, but when we got out on the field, you can have them.’ Obviously, there were a lot of times when he’s gotten them early and had the time to let some air out of the ball, or whatever he was doing with them.

“All I know is, when he got them (the footballs), he would run. He would take off. Whether he was going somewhere and letting air out, I’m definitely suspicious, but I don’t know for sure.’’
 

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KRAVITZ BLOG: Indy-based NFL official Baltz was suspicious of McNally years ago
Posted: Sep 17, 2015 2:14 PM EDT
Updated: Sep 17, 2015 2:30 PM EDT
By Bob Kravitz, WTHR SportsConnect



INDIANAPOLIS -
When Deflategate broke wide open, Indianapolis-based former NFL head linesman Mark Baltz wasn’t particularly surprised. More specifically, he wasn’t surprised that lockerroom attendant Jim McNally, who this week got his job back with the Patriots along with equipment assistant John Jastremski, was in the middle of the months-long investigation.

“He always asked for the footballs way, way before he was supposed to get them,’’ said Baltz, who was an NFL official from 1989-2013. Baltz spoke to WTHR.com last week, before the pair was reinstated. “If he could get them 10 or 15 minutes before he was supposed to get them, instead of the usual two minutes before the game – and there were some crews that let him do that – he would do it. I wouldn’t let him take them early, and I think he eventually figured that out because he stopped asking after a while. I probably did 10 to 15 games up there (in Foxboro, Mass.) and those first few times, he’d always ask. I always thought it was very suspicious. He certainly acted in a suspicious manner.’’

Baltz, in fact, said he reported McNally to league officials “six or eight years ago,’’ concerned not only about his early requests for the footballs, but for the way he operated before and during games.

“For an officials’ locker room attendant, I always thought he was an unusual dude,’’ Baltz said. “Most locker room guys, they sit there and if you need something, they got it for you. When you left the locker room, you’d lock the door and they’d stay right there. The other 31 teams, that’s what they would do. That was his job.

“But McNally, he was running all around like a chicken with his head cut off. Asking for the balls early. What I specifically reported him for several years ago, and I thought this was really unusual, he’d run out on the field with the footballs before the game and the next thing you know, he’s playing pitch-and-catch with (Tom) Brady. Then, next thing, he’s on the sidelines right next to (Bill) Belichick, like he’s a (bleeping) assistant coach or something.

According to reports, McNally and Jastremski will return from the Patriots in different roles from the ones they had before Deflategate. McNally cannot be a locker room attendant or handle equipment. Jastremski can no longer handle game balls. The pair were suspended during the Deflategate mess; the Patriots said the NFL told them to suspend the two men and the league said the Patriots suspended them.

Either way, both are now back – in different roles.

“He (McNally) was always worried about the footalls,’’ Baltz said. “Always. It was very odd. I reported him to the league, but never got any reaction from them. I don’t think they thought it was a big deal at the time. But (McNally) did things that 31 other locker room attendants don’t do.

“I think McNally did his homework and knew which crews he was dealing with and which crews he could get over on. `Are the footballs ready yet? Are the footballs ready.’ I’d tell him, `Yeah, they’re ready, but when we got out on the field, you can have them.’ Obviously, there were a lot of times when he’s gotten them early and had the time to let some air out of the ball, or whatever he was doing with them.

“All I know is, when he got them (the footballs), he would run. He would take off. Whether he was going somewhere and letting air out, I’m definitely suspicious, but I don’t know for sure.’’

This is the article that is referenced above. The guy worked 3 games with Brady/McNally. So, again, I don't doubt he thinks McNally was acting suspicious but he's clearly exaggerating details.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash">#Colts</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Seahawks?src=hash">#Seahawks</a> all start the season 0-2. Don't cross the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a></p>— Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/646165762026024960">September 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
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And the Giants lol
 

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I know Giants fans hate the Patriots (though I'm not totally clear on why), but I don't think the Patriots fans hate the Giants. The Giants beat us on the field and didn't whine and pop off and make excuses, which is what those other franchises do. Also, Belichick loves the Giants and I do whatever the Pope tells me.
 

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I know Giants fans hate the Patriots (though I'm not totally clear on why), but I don't think the Patriots fans hate the Giants. The Giants beat us on the field and didn't whine and pop off and make excuses, which is what those other franchises do. Also, Belichick loves the Giants and I do whatever the Pope tells me.

One of your compatriots (see what I did there) in this thread went off on a rant about a the "missed hold" on the Tyree play so I'm not sure you feel the same way as everyone else.
 

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I do think the first SB loss especially was disappointing because if the 18-0 thing and the Tyree play but I don't hold that against the Giants. That's sports.
 

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I do think the first SB loss especially was disappointing because if the 18-0 thing and the Tyree play but I don't hold that against the Giants. That's sports.
See below for a perfect example of why a single elimination tournament (i.e. the College Football Playoff) is an idiotic way to pick a champion. Any system in which the best team ever isn't the champion of a single season is flawed.

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One of your compatriots (see what I did there) in this thread went off on a rant about a the "missed hold" on the Tyree play so I'm not sure you feel the same way as everyone else.

My "rant" was about the Pats going 17-0 after Spygate and a botched call costing them the SB. That was the ref's fault, not the Giants. I don't particularly like the Giants because I lived in NYC for four years and find most NY sports fans obnoxious, but I'm with Rhode here. People around here don't like the Giants for obvious reasons (two SB losses + they are a NY team), but there's not a lot of Giants hate.

But your point was about teams that crossed the Pats and the Giants owner is on that list. I hope they continue to struggle while the Pats continue to dominate. Karma is a bitch and God is a Patriots fan.
 

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See below for a perfect example of why a single elimination tournament (i.e. the College Football Playoff) is an idiotic way to pick a champion. Any system in which the best team ever isn't the champion of a single season is flawed.

The Best NFL Teams Of All Time, According To Elo | FiveThirtyEight

Eh. That's kind of what I like about sports, though. It's why I like the NCAA basketball tournament better than the NBA playoffs especially. Also, you can't play a series in football so I'm not sure what you could even do about it. But yeah, when I first looked at that Elo thing it definitely ruined the rest of that day for me.
 
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Happy Tom Brady Day.

It was 14 years ago to the day that Brady came in for an injured Bledsoe.

There probably hasn't been an honest day in Foxborough since.
 

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Happy Tom Brady Day.

It was 14 years ago to the day that Brady came in for an injured Bledsoe.

There probably hasn't been an honest day in Foxborough since.

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