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Hillary's Private Emails: The Vise Slowly Tightens | RealClearPolitics

Hillary's Private Emails: The Vise Slowly Tightens
By Charles Lipson - August 13, 2015

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton’s email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage—the drip, drip, drip of revelations—has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton’s big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here’s why. Once a “political” issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.


You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it “has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information.” The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times’ sloppy reporting that it was. But that’s small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

Even if the Department of Justice is highly politicized—and it is—there is a powerful legal procedure here that will be hard to kill off. It began when the intelligence community’s inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, and his counterpart at the State Department, Steve Linick, made a referral to DOJ, saying that classified materials may have been compromised. McCullough also wrote Congress that a spot check of 40 Clinton emails showed that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information." That meant classified materials were being held in an unauthorized, insecure site—the Clinton server. In fact, the materials were also being held in a second unauthorized site. Clinton had given the materials to her attorney, David Kendall, on thumb-drives for his safekeeping. Since the communications are, by her own admission, official business and possibly classified, she may not have been authorized to transfer them, nor he to receive them.

The FBI has clear legal responsibilities when it is presented with such a referral. It must investigate and secure the materials. Fortunately, the FBI is run by a director with a reputation for independence and integrity. James Comey’s agency has now gotten the server and thumb-drives, the ones Clinton said she would never give up. She had no choice but to surrender them or face obstruction-of-justice charges.

The legal and bureaucratic wheels will keep turning, and they will grind exceedingly fine. Since classified information was on the server, the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, and other intelligence services will be tasked with going through thousands of documents. They will want to know where the information originated, whether it was classified (either when it was received or later), and whether senior officials like Secretary Clinton and her top aides should have known the material was sensitive or subject to classification, even if it was not marked that way at the time. The intelligence agencies are already livid about this breach of security, and they will go through this material carefully. My guess is they will find hundreds of documents that should never have left a secure government location.

They will want to know several more things. Did the Clinton server meet the federal government’s standards for how servers are built, how they are secured, and how data is retained? Was all sensitive material encrypted or did it circulate without those protections? Did anybody hack into the server? Did Secretary Clinton, who says she erased all “personal” emails from the server, actually erase some government documents? If so, was that inadvertent or a possible coverup? Who handled IT security for this server? Could he read the materials if he wished? These are legal questions with huge political ramifications.

I assume the Department of Justice will be lethargic. Under Eric Holder, the Obama Justice Department was the most politicized since John Mitchell cleaned the Augean Stables for Richard Nixon. The department is still packed with political appointees, but Holder’s successor, Loretta Lynch, has a good reputation from her days as a prosecutor. She may well play this straight. If so, then she would start with the IT guy and Clinton’s assistants and try to roll them up, as you would in a normal criminal probe. My guess is she will do that only if she gets a wink and a nod from a White House ready to sink Hillary.

Politicized or not, the DOJ will be increasingly boxed in by the FBI and intelligence community investigations. Normally, when the intelligence community finds classified materials in unauthorized locations, it seeks felony prosecutions. Gen. David Petraeus was sunk for keeping his own personal calendars in an unlocked drawer at home. The calendars were deemed classified, even if they lacked an official stamp. President Clinton’s CIA Director, John Deutsch, lost his job and security clearance for using his portable computer at home. It had classified material on it. Those violations are trifling compared to Hillary Clinton’s exposure.

If the FBI officially determines classified material was being held on the server, or foreign intelligence agencies hacked into it, or official materials were erased and not turned over to the courts, as Clinton stated under oath she had, then Director Comey will face the hardest decision of his professional life. If he recommends prosecution and the DOJ refuses, you can be sure an infuriated intelligence community will leak the news. That would be fatal to Clinton politically since it would smell like a cover-up. It is possible, of course, that the investigations will give Secretary Clinton a clean bill of health. But it is far more likely that they will bring legal peril, and, with it, political disaster.

RCP contributor Charles Lipson is the Peter B. Ritzma Professor of Political Science and the founder and director of the Program on International Politicis, Economics and Security at the University of Chicago. He can be reached at charles.lipson@gmail.com.
 
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Hillary's Private Emails: The Vise Slowly Tightens
By Charles Lipson - August 13, 2015

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton’s email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage—the drip, drip, drip of revelations—has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton’s big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here’s why. Once a “political” issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.


You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it “has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information.” The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times’ sloppy reporting that it was. But that’s small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

Even if the Department of Justice is highly politicized—and it is—there is a powerful legal procedure here that will be hard to kill off. It began when the intelligence community’s inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, and his counterpart at the State Department, Steve Linick, made a referral to DOJ, saying that classified materials may have been compromised. McCullough also wrote Congress that a spot check of 40 Clinton emails showed that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information." That meant classified materials were being held in an unauthorized, insecure site—the Clinton server. In fact, the materials were also being held in a second unauthorized site. Clinton had given the materials to her attorney, David Kendall, on thumb-drives for his safekeeping. Since the communications are, by her own admission, official business and possibly classified, she may not have been authorized to transfer them, nor he to receive them.

The FBI has clear legal responsibilities when it is presented with such a referral. It must investigate and secure the materials. Fortunately, the FBI is run by a director with a reputation for independence and integrity. James Comey’s agency has now gotten the server and thumb-drives, the ones Clinton said she would never give up. She had no choice but to surrender them or face obstruction-of-justice charges.

The legal and bureaucratic wheels will keep turning, and they will grind exceedingly fine. Since classified information was on the server, the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, and other intelligence services will be tasked with going through thousands of documents. They will want to know where the information originated, whether it was classified (either when it was received or later), and whether senior officials like Secretary Clinton and her top aides should have known the material was sensitive or subject to classification, even if it was not marked that way at the time. The intelligence agencies are already livid about this breach of security, and they will go through this material carefully. My guess is they will find hundreds of documents that should never have left a secure government location.

They will want to know several more things. Did the Clinton server meet the federal government’s standards for how servers are built, how they are secured, and how data is retained? Was all sensitive material encrypted or did it circulate without those protections? Did anybody hack into the server? Did Secretary Clinton, who says she erased all “personal” emails from the server, actually erase some government documents? If so, was that inadvertent or a possible coverup? Who handled IT security for this server? Could he read the materials if he wished? These are legal questions with huge political ramifications.

I assume the Department of Justice will be lethargic. Under Eric Holder, the Obama Justice Department was the most politicized since John Mitchell cleaned the Augean Stables for Richard Nixon. The department is still packed with political appointees, but Holder’s successor, Loretta Lynch, has a good reputation from her days as a prosecutor. She may well play this straight. If so, then she would start with the IT guy and Clinton’s assistants and try to roll them up, as you would in a normal criminal probe. My guess is she will do that only if she gets a wink and a nod from a White House ready to sink Hillary.

Politicized or not, the DOJ will be increasingly boxed in by the FBI and intelligence community investigations. Normally, when the intelligence community finds classified materials in unauthorized locations, it seeks felony prosecutions. Gen. David Petraeus was sunk for keeping his own personal calendars in an unlocked drawer at home. The calendars were deemed classified, even if they lacked an official stamp. President Clinton’s CIA Director, John Deutsch, lost his job and security clearance for using his portable computer at home. It had classified material on it. Those violations are trifling compared to Hillary Clinton’s exposure.

If the FBI officially determines classified material was being held on the server, or foreign intelligence agencies hacked into it, or official materials were erased and not turned over to the courts, as Clinton stated under oath she had, then Director Comey will face the hardest decision of his professional life. If he recommends prosecution and the DOJ refuses, you can be sure an infuriated intelligence community will leak the news. That would be fatal to Clinton politically since it would smell like a cover-up. It is possible, of course, that the investigations will give Secretary Clinton a clean bill of health. But it is far more likely that they will bring legal peril, and, with it, political disaster.

RCP contributor Charles Lipson is the Peter B. Ritzma Professor of Political Science and the founder and director of the Program on International Politicis, Economics and Security at the University of Chicago. He can be reached at charles.lipson@gmail.com.

A pretty good article but slightly misleading on the Petraeus part. He had notes from national security meetings and other things in a notebook that he willing gave to his biographer (who didn't have clearence). Not the same as keeping a calender in an unsecured drawer as the article claims that is what he did wrong.
 

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ISIS has nothing to do with taking out Hussein, it has everything to with disbanding the Iraqi military and then withdrawing our troops.

Disbanding the Iraqi military was, in hindsight, one of the more egregious tactical decisions in recent memory.
 

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ISIS has nothing to do with taking out Hussein, it has everything to with disbanding the Iraqi military and then withdrawing our troops.

Disbanding the Iraqi military was, in hindsight, one of the more egregious tactical decisions in recent memory.

Did some serious thinking this morning. US should end the war on drugs, open the border to Mexico, allow anyone who wants to from said wave of immigrants join the Armed Forces and invade the Middle East again. Isis would be defeated in like 2 days (assuming a bunch of former cartel members enlist) and Iraq and Syria would be rebuilt in like a week. Total twofer.
 

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Bluto did make me think, what is the thought, or lack thereof, behind letting non Americans serve in our armed forces but not giving them citizen status from their service?? Working in education I have a lot of vets who go to school on VA benefits, some are still struggling to gain citizenship at the same time... What's the logic behind that?
 
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Blah Blah Blah. Trump in '16!

I like some of his views, and love the fact that he wouldn't be beholden to anyone if he got elected, but I could not (at this point) bring myself to vote for Trump. He's got to realize that you can't treat world leaders like employees or corporate rivals. In business, winning is everything. In the political arena, winning is not enough; you have to win with class or at least integrity. There's over a year left until the election for Trump to learn to tone it down, but I doubt that he will. Its a shame, really. He could have brought some real change to Washington.
 

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ISIS has nothing to do with taking out Hussein, it has everything to with disbanding the Iraqi military and then withdrawing our troops.

Disbanding the Iraqi military was, in hindsight, one of the more egregious tactical decisions in recent memory.

My understanding is that you don't even need the hindsight caveat for that. Outside of Bremer and a handful of neocons, everyone else who was there thought it was terrible idea from day 1.
 

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Did some serious thinking this morning. US should end the war on drugs, open the border to Mexico, allow anyone who wants to from said wave of immigrants join the Armed Forces and invade the Middle East again. Isis would be defeated in like 2 days (assuming a bunch of former cartel members enlist) and Iraq and Syria would be rebuilt in like a week. Total twofer.

See The Fall of Rome script. They went from a citizen army to an army of foreigners meanwhile the folks at home, wealthy or not, were gorging on entitlement programs.
 

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Bluto did make me think, what is the thought, or lack thereof, behind letting non Americans serve in our armed forces but not giving them citizen status from their service?? Working in education I have a lot of vets who go to school on VA benefits, some are still struggling to gain citizenship at the same time... What's the logic behind that?

The naturalization through military service exempts those qualified fron residency requirements and some other exemptions but you still have to meet the basic requirements of good moral character, ability to speak English, knowledge of US history and government, etc.

But it's not automatic nor should it be.


Naturalization Through Military Service: Fact Sheet | USCIS

Military personnel can file for the program though their unit. Veterans have to apply within 6 months of separation from the service. I'll hazard a guess that most of those you know struggling didn't file in service or within the prescribed time after leaving the service and are thus not eligible for the program.
 
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Trump prepared to spend $1 billion on campaign "if I had to" - CNNPolitics.com

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Trump also said outside the fair that he had just put out a position paper on immigration, which will be revealed on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday morning. On Friday, Trump said he was going to release detailed proposals on immigration and overhauling the tax code next month.

The immigration plan will include Trump's oft-repeated pledge to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

Trump also said outside the fair that he had just put out a position paper on immigration, which will be revealed on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday morning. On Friday, Trump said he was going to release detailed proposals on immigration and overhauling the tax code next month.

The immigration plan will include Trump's oft-repeated pledge to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

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What a misleading article. I'm pretty sure that if a Republican president was golfing with President Clinton right now, no one would say a word. So should it be news if Obama talks to Hillary herself... You know the Secretary of State?

Give me a break. Why would you even post that garbage? Click bait trash is all that article is...
 

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It could and would on Slate. Are you saying that it is inaccurate?

He's saying its a click bait rag article that tries to spin a normal interaction. It made it sound like he was golfing with some mob boss or something. Once you open the article and realize they are talking about Bill Clinton, any reasonable person disregard it. But instead, you tried to further that narrative.
 

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He's saying its a click bait rag article that tries to spin a normal interaction. It made it sound like he was golfing with some mob boss or something. Once you open the article and realize they are talking about Bill Clinton, any reasonable person disregard it. But instead, you tried to further that narrative.

Time article
President Obama Plays Golf With Bill Clinton on Martha's Vineyard

And yes the article is from a right wing site, but I don't see you saying anything about pkt's article in Politics thread...

From slate, not exactly friendly with folks right of center
 

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One article clearly slants itself as an opinion piece and the other simply misleads itself. Are you honestly seeing those in the same light?

If you want to nitpick my article is not an opinion piece and is factually accurate. It just uses a different perspective for the headline that is also factually accurate that you don't like. Plus I am going to guess that anyone going to the article knew with whom he was playing before clicking.
 

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Poll numbers per Fox & Friends:

Democratic:
49% = Clinton
30% = Sanders
10% = Biden
1% = Webb; O'Malley
* first time Hillary is < 50%

Republican:
25% = Trump
12% = Carson
10% = Cruz
9% = Bush
6% = Huckabee; Walker
5% = Fiorina
4% = Kasich; Rubio
3% = Paul; Christie
1% = Santorum; Perry; Jindal; Pataki
* The "outsiders" (Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina, Paul) = 55%
 

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If you want to nitpick my article is not an opinion piece and is factually accurate. It just uses a different perspective for the headline that is also factually accurate that you don't like. Plus I am going to guess that anyone going to the article knew with whom he was playing before clicking.

No, most people wouldn't make that connection. Its disingenuous to infer that. One article clearly states an opinion on the front end. Making a clear position of opinion.

The article you linked makes a statement of news. One that omits the most important fact in order to skew the reader's impression of its content. Then you continued that narrative, despite knowing this fact. It was intellectually dishonest.

Btw, Clinton is personal friends of a lot of Republicans. So to answer your original question. It wouldn't be news if they golfed with him. Because they probably do...
 

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No, most people wouldn't make that connection. Its disingenuous to infer that. One article clearly states an opinion on the front end. Making a clear position of opinion.

The article you linked makes a statement of news. One that omits the most important fact in order to skew the reader's impression of its content. Then you continued that narrative, despite knowing this fact. It was intellectually dishonest.

Btw, Clinton is personal friends of a lot of Republicans. So to answer your original question. It wouldn't be news if they golfed with him. Because they probably do...

Oh OK. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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Number of Hillary Clinton's emails flagged for classified data grows to 60 as review continues - Washington Times

John Solomon 8/16/15

While media coverage has focused on a half-dozen of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal emails containing sensitive intelligence, the total number of her private emails identified by an ongoing State Department review as having contained classified data has ballooned to 60, officials told The Washington Times.

That figure is current through the end of July and is likely to grow as officials wade through a total of 30,000 work-related emails that passed through her personal email server, officials said. The process is expected to take months.

The 60 emails are among those that have been reviewed and cleared for release under the Freedom of Information Act as part of a open-records lawsuit. Some of the emails have multiple redactions for classified information.

Among the first 60 flagged emails, nearly all contained classified secrets at the lowest level of “confidential” and one contained information at the intermediate level of “secret,” officials told the Times.

Those 60 emails do not include two emails identified in recent days by Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III as containing “top-secret” information possibly derived from Pentagon satellites, drones or intercepts, which is some of the nation’s most sensitive secrets.

State officials and the intelligence community are working to resolve questions about those and other emails with possible classified information, a process that isn’t likely to be completed until January.

As the number of suspect emails grows and the classification review continues, it is clear that predictions contained in a notification Mr. McCullough sent Congress this summer is likely to hold true: Mrs. Clinton’s personal emails likely contained hundreds of disclosures of classified information.

That will be right around the time Mrs. Clinton is slated to face voters in the Iowa caucuses in her bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

As the number of suspect emails grows and the classification review continues, it is clear that predictions contained in a notification Mr. McCullough sent Congress this summer is likely to hold true: Mrs. Clinton’s personal emails likely contained hundreds of disclosures of classified information.
 
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Poll: GOP establishment candidates falling - CNNPolitics.com

Ed Bradner CNN 3/17/15

(CNN)A trio of Republican establishment favorites -- Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio -- are all losing ground in the party's 2016 presidential field, a new Fox News poll shows.

Donald Trump, meanwhile, continues to dominate the race -- earning 25% support nationally while another outsider, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, is running second at 12%, and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, known for locking horns with Republican congressional leaders, is third at 10%.

Bush, the former Florida governor, has dropped to 9% -- fourth place, down from 15% and second place in a Fox News poll conducted earlier this month, before the first GOP presidential debate?

Walker, the Wisconsin governor, meanwhile, is tied for fifth, at 6% -- down from 9% earlier this month. And Rubio, the Florida senator, is now at 4% -- in ninth place, and down from 5%.

The results -- with outsiders at the front of the field and establishment favorites struggling to gain traction -- reflect a shift among likely Republican primary voters toward candidates who challenge the political hierarchy.

In the new Fox News poll, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied with Walker for fifth at 6%. They're followed by former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina at 5%, Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 4%, Rubio, and then New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who both at 3% support.

The poll was conducted Aug. 11-13. It has a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.
 
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305 Clinton server documents referred for more review - CNNPolitics.com

By Ariane de Vogue, CNN Supreme Court Reporter
Updated 4:26 PM ET, Mon August 17, 2015 |

Washington (CNN)Intelligence officials assigned to review emails from Hillary Clinton's server for classified information have so far recommended that 305 documents be referred to agencies for further consultation, according to a report filed with a federal judge Monday.

In court papers filed with U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, the State Department updated its progress. It said that as of last Friday, Intelligence Community reviewers had completed a preliminary screening and determined that "out of a sample of approximately 20% of the Clinton emails," the reviewers have "recommended 305 documents -- approximately 5.1% -- for referral to their agencies for consultation."

In the filing, the government stressed that the process involves reviewers conducting "a preliminary screenings step" and determining whether a document should be referred back to an agency for consultation.

Government lawyers had said that after officials from the Intelligence Community were added to the review process in July, the government expected to fall slightly behind in its production schedule, but that it thought the setback was temporary.

After inspectors general for the State Department and for the Intelligence Community raised concerns about the content of the emails, the State Department added intelligence staff to assist in the process.

Jason Leopold, a journalist who has brought a Freedom of Information suit against the State Department, has expressed concern that the government has fallen behind in its production schedule — ordered in May by Contreras -- and provided no detailed plan on how it intends to catch up. Leopold asked the Court to require more information particularly since it has expanded the review to include the intelligence staff.
 

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OK To Be A Heartbeat From Presidency But Not Candidate

OK To Be A Heartbeat From Presidency But Not Candidate

Concerns inside WH about possible Biden candidacy - CNNPolitics.com

By Jim Acosta
Updated 3:59 PM ET, Mon August 17, 2015

As Joe Biden might say, it would be a big deal if he runs for president. A "BFD."

But there is one major obstacle: Inside the White House there appears to be little enthusiasm for a Biden candidacy.

A Democratic party source familiar with White House thinking said inside the West Wing "brain trust," there is concern that a Biden run "would not have the right outcome" and potentially damage the vice president's carefully cultivated brand of respected Democratic Party elder statesman.

"I'm not getting any sense of a Joe Biden caucus inside the White House," the well-placed Democratic source said.

The White House has been heavily invested in Hillary Clinton's candidacy since long before the current round of speculation about a Biden run.

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Steve King: Donald Trump is "the leader" on immigration - CNNPolitics.com

By Jeremy Diamond, CNN
Updated 3:35 PM ET, Mon August 17, 2015

Rep. Steve King, an influential conservative Republican from Iowa, said Monday he believes Donald Trump is leading the Republican presidential field when it comes to immigration.

"I think today he is the leader on immigration," King told CNN in an interview at the Iowa State Fair. "There's no question about that."

King said he was "very happy" to see Trump release his policy paper outlining his position on immigration and border security on Sunday and said many of the positions are based on bills and amendments he's introduced in Congress.

"If there's going to be competition on the immigration issue among the other candidates, who's going to stand up now and say, 'I think we really ought to nominate someone who's for amnesty'?" King said.

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IF The Polling Holds The Next GOP Debaters Will Be ...

IF The Polling Holds The Next GOP Debaters Will Be ...

Trump 25%
Carson 12%
Cruz 10%
Bush 9%
Huckabee 6%
Walker 6%
Fiorina 5%
Kasich 4%
Rubio 4%
Christie 3%

First out Christie
 
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