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Steve Patterson Still the Biggest Douche in the Universe
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That's exactly what I was thinking while reading the article.
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Not much difference in what ND is doing. It's all about the bejamins and running a business profitably. Many things in the article are things ND already does.
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That's just a complete falsehood. Patterson is a polar opposite of Swarbick. Did you read the article?
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Every word
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....trollin'..... trollin' on a thursday afternoon....
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you mad???...
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Alright then list 3 things from that article that are similar to what Swarbrick has done. I'll wait.
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How is it trolling? I love ND as much as anyone here, but not blind. ND is all about the $$$
Jacked up ticket prices
Paying for parking...ND has done this forever
Playing in Mexico. ND trying hard
Cutting travel budgets
No discount for faculty and staff at ND
Has that new ND basketball facility been built yet?
Some of the few things discussed in this article that ring true at ND.
Jacked up ticket prices
Paying for parking...ND has done this forever
Playing in Mexico. ND trying hard
Cutting travel budgets
No discount for faculty and staff at ND
Has that new ND basketball facility been built yet?
Some of the few things discussed in this article that ring true at ND.
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Sorry, but I'm going to be an asshole here.
"Jacked up ticket prices"... as someone who has had family that's bought for decades and has season ticket holders and know many other season ticket holders (and some who have given them up because of cost increases) I can categorically say that ND has not raised ticket prices 1) comparably to the shenanigans described in the article 2) outside the normal increases across college football.
"Paying for parking"... everyone charges for parking. That was not AT ALL the point the article was making. The point, which you clearly missed, was how the parking fee was added on when it used to be included in addition to the 20-50% ticket increases for the season ticket fees for the same seats.
Playing in Mexico... not even listed as a negative in the article, just as an illustration of "PAC12" mentality.
"Cutting travel budgets"... travel budgets have been increased across the board for ND sports (revenue and non-revenue) in the past decade. Try again.
"No discount for faculty and staff"... I don't know what the discount used to be or currently is. But considering they have a faculty/staff practice day and have done increasingly more to involve them in the football program, including the campus crossroads project, it seems like the general move is the polar opposite of what is described in the article.
"Basketball practice facility"... I'm sorry, did they tear down the current basketball facility/offices? And have them out on the street? No? And they're in the process of converting Rolfs? And they did the Purcell Pavillion renovation? And not speaking of basketball... let's look at non-revenue sports which are, you know, actually comparable to women's tennis. Soccer and lacrosse both got new, top of the line stadiums. Compton is one of the best hockey facilities in the country. In NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM can you construe that ND is penny pinching on facilities for sports.
Good effort, though.
The core of the article -- which, unsurprisingly, didn't make your list at all -- is about how the AD is treating people. In short, he's nickel-and-diming them while showing zero loyalty and even worse soft skills. None of that can be said for ND under Jack.
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Travel budgets have increased due to more travel and farther distance but not accordingly.
Faculty and staff discount was 50%...now it's nothing.
Purcell renovation was low budget and no practice facility thats been promised forever.
ND has state of the art facilities, as does Texas.
We can disagree..it's all good
Faculty and staff discount was 50%...now it's nothing.
Purcell renovation was low budget and no practice facility thats been promised forever.
ND has state of the art facilities, as does Texas.
We can disagree..it's all good
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It's not even a disagreement...you're flat out wrong in many of those cases in your OP.
And btw, as far as the new practice facilities for bball, I know from someone close to the situation that those are absolutely in place. Polar opposite of the Texas situation.
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Texas has no practice facility?
and by the way i know from someone IN the situtation as an employee of the department that it is not anywhere near in place but still being worked on.
I may be wrong as the day is long but those are my informed opinions.
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You actually ARE wrong.
* "Jacked up ticket prices" - Nowhere even close to the level of Texas. NOt even in the same stratoshphere.
* Paying for parking - Did ND suddenly do this ON TOP of jacking up ticket prices 50%? Nope.
* "Cutting travel budgets" - You're just absolutely wrong there. Look it up.
* Basketball facility - Please tell me exactly where they are behind on this. Show me a link, a stat, ANYTHING that says that ND didn't raise the money and have decided to push it back. Fact is, they HAVE raised the $$$ for the Crossroads project, and construction is underway all around the stadium. I work on campus and see it every day. Of course the practice hasn't been built yet...it wasn't supposed to be built yet (and yes, I know that it was promised years before, but it IS being given to Brey - finally lol).
I'm not saying ND is perfect...far from it. But I am saying that what Patterson is doing, all in a shirt amount of time, is WAAAAAAAAAYYYY worse than things that have happened at ND (over a much larger time frame). Even Kevin White wasn't close to this bad. You took a needles shot at ND while ignoring the gist of the article, which is what Lax was trying to point out.
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I took no shot at ND other than to say they are not much different and chasing the $$$$$$$. If you disagree with that then i don't know what to tell you.
But....to your points
Are ticket prices that dramatically different between the two? NO
Paying for parking.
ND has been doing it for ages and ages doesnt matter if it was on top of ticket increases. Just all that many more years they have collected.
Not anywhere near wrong on travel....budget is higher of course but amenities have been curtailed. This comes straight from the mouth of my fil who cuts the checks and works for the AD.
I will believe a practice facility when i see it.
No University is perfect but i'm not blind to the money grab going on at ND.
I guess we just disagree
But....to your points
Are ticket prices that dramatically different between the two? NO
Paying for parking.
ND has been doing it for ages and ages doesnt matter if it was on top of ticket increases. Just all that many more years they have collected.
Not anywhere near wrong on travel....budget is higher of course but amenities have been curtailed. This comes straight from the mouth of my fil who cuts the checks and works for the AD.
I will believe a practice facility when i see it.
No University is perfect but i'm not blind to the money grab going on at ND.
I guess we just disagree
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"Parking can now cost between $100 and $195 for a season pass for each season ticket holder."
Been eons since i paid less than $100 to park at University owned lots for the season and have paid way, way more for a single prime tailgating spot.
It's a business and both Universities treat it as such.
Not much else here to argue
Been eons since i paid less than $100 to park at University owned lots for the season and have paid way, way more for a single prime tailgating spot.
It's a business and both Universities treat it as such.
Not much else here to argue
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I get what you're saying that "they're the same" in regards to chasing $$. Yes, to a degree, every single school in the country cares about $$. But that's not what the article is about.
The article is about how Patterson is a shit person making lots of enemies and fucking over long time staffers, coaches, etc. in pursuit of profit margins.
Jack Swarbrick doesn't have this issue, because he treats people differently than Patterson. So that's why we don't understand where you're coming from, because the article is maybe 10% about chasing $$ and 90% about how he is screwing people in pursuit of money.
To borrow a cliche, it's classic missing forest for the trees. You read the article and said "it's about $$ and ND cares about revenues just as much" when the article is really about "Patterson is an asshole who is firing longtime staffers for no reason, alienating coaches, pissing off alumni, etc. relative to his predecessor." The question of how is Jack Swarbrick doing relative to Kevin White would be answered positively by 95%+ of those groups.
The article is about how Patterson is a shit person making lots of enemies and fucking over long time staffers, coaches, etc. in pursuit of profit margins.
Jack Swarbrick doesn't have this issue, because he treats people differently than Patterson. So that's why we don't understand where you're coming from, because the article is maybe 10% about chasing $$ and 90% about how he is screwing people in pursuit of money.
To borrow a cliche, it's classic missing forest for the trees. You read the article and said "it's about $$ and ND cares about revenues just as much" when the article is really about "Patterson is an asshole who is firing longtime staffers for no reason, alienating coaches, pissing off alumni, etc. relative to his predecessor." The question of how is Jack Swarbrick doing relative to Kevin White would be answered positively by 95%+ of those groups.
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I agree Jack is doing a great job from what we have seen. But with the recent change at Texas how much of this is sour grapes from those used to the "way it was" and what is reality. Maybe a good trimming of the fat is what was needed at UT....i don't know, don't follow the program closely.
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Very fair point. Sorry for giving you such a hard time.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. You missed the entire point of the article. Clearly. Did Notre Dame raise ticket prices 25-50% across the board, and then lie and say it was a 6% increase? Absolutely not. THAT was the point, not the overall price of tickets.
Did ND raise ticket prices MASSIVELY, and then on top of that add a parking fee that was previously free? Nope. Texas and their new AD did.
Good ahead and live in the dark on the practice facility for bball. It's coming, whether you believe it or not.
No one is saying ND is perfect. No one is saying ND doesn't love $$$ nor need to make it. But what TX is doing under this AD, so quickly and so shadily, is beyond anything ND has done in such a short amount of time.