2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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Based on what?

Right, and Hillary has great track record working for the poor how? She was the secretary of state. Just mindless regurgitation of whatever news outlet people pay attention to.

News flash none of these people give a shit about any of us regardless of what party they are in.
 

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Right, and Hillary has great track record working for the poor how? She was the secretary of state. Just mindless regurgitation of whatever news outlet people pay attention to.

News flash none of these people give a shit about any of us regardless of what party they are in.

Based on one has a 'D' next to their name, the other has an 'R'...
 

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Scott Walker's and Hillary Clinton's personal wealth is not the issue. The difference is in their policies. Scott Walker has been no friend to the poor and working class. And while there are better options for poor and working class voters among the Democrats, Clinton is a far better choice than Walker for those voting their pocket book. The key factor is turnout.
How many millions of dollars flooded into Wisconsin for Walker's recall election? And they still couldn't beat him.

Walker won 56% of voters without a college degree and 56% of those earning between 50K and 100K. The only working class demographic he lost was labor unions, not surprising since Big Labor was the only reason the recall came to be in the first place.

Nice try, though.

ETA: This notion of "voting with your pocket book" pisses me off. Who care about right, wrong, liberty, or justice. As long as I get mine.

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How many millions of dollars flooded into Wisconsin for Walker's recall election? And they still couldn't beat him.

Walker won 56% of voters without a college degree and 56% of those earning between 50K and 100K. The only working class demographic he lost was labor unions, not surprising since Big Labor was the only reason the recall came to be in the first place.

Nice try, though.

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Money flooded in on BOTH sides which helped to frame the arguments as the workers vs. the rich, which reinforces the argument Eddy was making above. A lot of Dems stayed home during the recall election because the viewed the recall as a political lowball by their party. I do not think walker would win again in Wisconsin. And his chances are slimmer in the GOP presidential primary. They are astronomical if he somehow manages to get the GOP nomination.
 
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Money flooded in on BOTH sides which helped to frame the arguments as the workers vs. the rich, which reinforces the argument Eddy was making above. A lot of Dems stayed home during the recall election because the viewed the recall as a political lowball by their party. I do not think walker would win again in Wisconsin. And his chances are slimmer in the GOP presidential primary. They are astronomical if he somehow manages to get the GOP nomination.

Exactly. And where did Walker's money come from? Can anybody spell "Koch Brothers"? Now, those are a couple fof working class guys.

And a Presidential election historically has a much larger turnout. Large turnouts are not good for Republicans, which is why they keep trying to limit turnout with new regulations making it more difficult to vote. The turnout for Wisconsin's recall election would be dwarfed by the turnout for a presidential election.
 

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Hillary is at 63 percent. Bernie sanders is just a couple of points behind Walker and he has no chance of winning either!

What was HRC at at this point 8 years ago? What were Bill, Barack, or Ronny at at this point in their runs?

HRC may well win it all, but I don't believe it is inevitable...and if you do you might be surprised especially since it could come down to turnout and I don't think HRC supporters are as energized as BHO supporters were either of the last 2 presidential elections. Also, R's might be relatively more so since the Ad's have held POTUS for the last 8 years.
 
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How many millions of dollars flooded into Wisconsin for Walker's recall election? And they still couldn't beat him.

Any GOP candidate is going to have to flip Ohio and Florida to even have a chance in 2016. The national race is just set up this way these days.

Considering how much of a failure John Kasich's Senate Bill 5 was in Ohio (an anti-public union measure that led to a referendum overturning it and causing Kasich to be rather unpopular for 1-2 years) I doubt a guy like Walker can win Ohio. If you can't win Ohio the path to 270 is not there.

I guess I just doubt a guy with this on the internet can win in Ohio:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y7v8f8jBrW8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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Any GOP candidate is going to have to flip Ohio and Florida to even have a chance in 2016. The national race is just set up this way these days.

Considering how much of a failure John Kasich's Senate Bill 5 was in Ohio (an anti-public union measure that led to a referendum overturning it and causing Kasich to be rather unpopular for 1-2 years) I doubt a guy like Walker can win Ohio. If you can't win Ohio the path to 270 is not there.

I guess I just doubt a guy with this on the internet can win in Ohio:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y7v8f8jBrW8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

didn't know walker had such a democrat strategic approach...distasteful
 

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How many millions of dollars flooded into Wisconsin for Walker's recall election? And they still couldn't beat him.

Walker won 56% of voters without a college degree and 56% of those earning between 50K and 100K. The only working class demographic he lost was labor unions, not surprising since Big Labor was the only reason the recall came to be in the first place.

Nice try, though.

ETA: This notion of "voting with your pocket book" pisses me off. Who care about right, wrong, liberty, or justice. As long as I get mine.

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Did he buy his kneepads at Kohls or Koch Industries?


I actually don't mind paying 40% so long as the government doesn't waste my tax dollars on useless programs, like multi billion dollar F22 that can't fly when it rains. I significantly benefited from Bush tax cuts so it is whatever.

I just can't vote for a Koch bros puppet. Scott Walker has sleeze written all over him. Alan Grayson is someone I think would be a great POTUS but he is not been on the scene long enough.
 
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How many millions of dollars flooded into Wisconsin for Walker's recall election? And they still couldn't beat him.

Walker won 56% of voters without a college degree and 56% of those earning between 50K and 100K. The only working class demographic he lost was labor unions, not surprising since Big Labor was the only reason the recall came to be in the first place.

Nice try, though.

ETA: This notion of "voting with your pocket book" pisses me off. Who care about right, wrong, liberty, or justice. As long as I get mine.

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Why do you think these billionaires pour so much money into these races? It's not for liberty, justice, or what's right. It about getting more for themselves.
 

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Did he buy his kneepads at Kohls or Koch Industries?


I actually don't mind paying 40% so long as the government doesn't waste my tax dollars on useless programs, like multi billion dollar F22 that can't fly when it rains. I significantly benefited from Bush tax cuts so it is whatever.

I just can't vote for a Koch bros puppet. Scott Walker has sleeze written all over him. Alan Grayson is someone I think would be a great POTUS but he is not been on the scene long enough.

Alan Grayson, you can't be serious.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-have-a-todd-akin-problem-20150519

Rep. Alan Grayson is the Todd Akin of the Democrats—except that he's louder, more outrageous, and has millions of his own fortune to spend however he sees fit. And Democrats are nervously expecting the former trial lawyer to enter the pivotal Senate race, challenge the candidate party leaders view as more electable, and raise holy hell in the process.

The list of Grayson's greatest hits is long—and contains equal-opportunity vitriol against Republicans, Democrats, and reporters alike. He reportedly called Murphy a "piece of shit" when recently meeting with DSCC Chairman Jon Tester. In the run-up to a 2010 landslide loss against GOP Rep. Daniel Webster, he aired an ad labeling his opponent as "Taliban Dan" and, without basis, accused him of wanting to outlaw divorce for abused women. Grayson called a Federal Reserve adviser a "K Street whore" and told MSNBC's Chris Matthews that Dick Cheney has blood "dripping from his teeth" when talking. He threatened a conservative constituent with five years of prison time for launching a website titled mycongressmanisnuts.com. Most recently, he asked Tampa Bay Times political reporter Adam Smith whether he was some kind of "shitting robot" when confronted with questions surrounding his offshore investments.

Grayson also is enmeshed in an ugly divorce battle with his wife of 24 years, who has accused him of domestic abuse. He's vigorously denied the allegations, and has accused her of engaging in bigamy and being a "gold digger."

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Why do you think these billionaires pour so much money into these races? It's not for liberty, justice, or what's right. It about getting more for themselves.
What the hell are you talking about? That's exactly my point.

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Did he buy his kneepads at Kohls or Koch Industries?


I actually don't mind paying 40% so long as the government doesn't waste my tax dollars on useless programs, like multi billion dollar F22 that can't fly when it rains. I significantly benefited from Bush tax cuts so it is whatever.

I just can't vote for a Koch bros puppet. Scott Walker has sleeze written all over him. Alan Grayson is someone I think would be a great POTUS but he is not been on the scene long enough.

Whip out your 1040 and take a look at your actual taxes paid, then divide it by your AGI - even if you add back 15% for FICA you are still going to be surprised how far away from 40% you really are.

Military budget is getting destroyed by pension and health care costs. The bombs and bullets are the cheap part of war.
 

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GOP gubernatorial candidate Scott Walker says he has given back more than $370,000 of his salary to Milwaukee County | PolitiFact Wisconsin

How many politicians can claim this? Hilarious that Tom Barrett tried to slam him for "only" giving back $10K after giving $60k in previous years. Nevermind the fact he got the county budget on the right track to where he was one of the few people actually earning their keep in that f-ed up county.

Blue collar, non-millionaire without a college degree doesn't stand a chance on the national stage though.
 

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Money flooded in on BOTH sides which helped to frame the arguments as the workers vs. the rich, which reinforces the argument Eddy was making above. A lot of Dems stayed home during the recall election because the viewed the recall as a political lowball by their party. I do not think walker would win again in Wisconsin. And his chances are slimmer in the GOP presidential primary. They are astronomical if he somehow manages to get the GOP nomination.

Many Democrats stayed home because they didn't have a cushy government job with ridiculous benefits and were genuinely offended by the fact the PUBLIC unions had no perspective as to how their total compensation was out of control and a crappy deal for tax payers.

Walker won because he was right and only the constituents on the receiving end of the boondoggle were against him. Not to mention voter fraud, wonder how many bus loads of Illinoisances voted illegally in WI.
 

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Since Jeb Bush hasn't declared, what are the chances he backs off running now that it looks like the shine is coming off of him as a candidate pretty quickly? That'd be fine with me. Jeb can do more good putting his influence and getting his donors behind a more viable GOP candidate.
 

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Since Jeb Bush hasn't declared, what are the chances he backs off running now that it looks like the shine is coming off of him as a candidate pretty quickly? That'd be fine with me. Jeb can do more good putting his influence and getting his donors behind a more viable GOP candidate.

On one hand I think that would be commendable. On the other hand I worry about who he would back.
 

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It seemed to me that you talking about average voters who vote with their pocket book in mind.
I'm talking about every voter who votes with their pocket book in mind. I don't care if it's a rich guy looking to get richer or a parasite who wants more freebies.
 

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Since Jeb Bush hasn't declared, what are the chances he backs off running now that it looks like the shine is coming off of him as a candidate pretty quickly? That'd be fine with me. Jeb can do more good putting his influence and getting his donors behind a more viable GOP candidate.
The only reason he hasn't declared is because he's allowed to fundraise directly with his PAC until he's an official candidate.

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The only reason he hasn't declared is because he's allowed to fundraise directly with his PAC until he's an official candidate.

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Yeah, I just read about that in this Politico article:

Newsflash: It’s Going To Be Hillary vs. Jeb - Bill Scher - POLITICO Magazine

Interesting, but I don't think Hillary vs Jeb is inevitable. I think the writer over-estimates how easily Hillary will coast through the Dem primary. I believe she will make it through, but it won't be a total walk in the park. However, the writer turns right around and asserts that Jeb will also coast even though he is a "weak candidate." The article's author feels that the GOP field is too fractured. That may be true, but that doesn't mean that Jeb coasts, IMO. Sure, Jeb has the donor cash and the connections, but that doesn't mean he won't be Romney, Part 2, which is how I see him.
 

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GOOD NEWS GUYS!

HRC has announced today that she is getting ready to launch her 2016 Presidential Campaign!!!
























...again...


























...not kidding...

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Start spreading the news—<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hillary2016?src=hash">#Hillary2016</a> kicks off here.

And you could be there → <a href="http://t.co/eztnltNOnc">http://t.co/eztnltNOnc</a> <a href="http://t.co/3bYkh2kB39">pic.twitter.com/3bYkh2kB39</a></p>— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) <a href="https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/605408272322043904">June 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Yeah, I just read about that in this Politico article:

Newsflash: It’s Going To Be Hillary vs. Jeb - Bill Scher - POLITICO Magazine

Interesting, but I don't think Hillary vs Jeb is inevitable. I think the writer over-estimates how easily Hillary will coast through the Dem primary. I believe she will make it through, but it won't be a total walk in the park. However, the writer turns right around and asserts that Jeb will also coast even though he is a "weak candidate." The article's author feels that the GOP field is too fractured. That may be true, but that doesn't mean that Jeb coasts, IMO. Sure, Jeb has the donor cash and the connections, but that doesn't mean he won't be Romney, Part 2, which is how I see him.
That's what frankly pisses me off about all of these pretenders getting in the race, no matter how much I like or dislike their positions. Ben Carson, you're never going to be President of the United States. Neither is Fiorina, Huckabee, Santorum, Graham, Pataki,Trump, Kasich, and on and on. Those people need to get out of the way and let the big boys debate without muddying the waters. Otherwise we end up with Jeb by default because nobody else can rise above 15%. It should be Jeb, Rubio, Paul, Cruz, and Walker.
 

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That's what frankly pisses me off about all of these pretenders getting in the race, no matter how much I like or dislike their positions. Ben Carson, you're never going to be President of the United States. Neither is Fiorina, Huckabee, Santorum, Graham, Pataki,Trump, Kasich, and on and on. Those people need to get out of the way and let the big boys debate without muddying the waters. Otherwise we end up with Jeb by default because nobody else can rise above 15%. It should be Jeb, Rubio, Paul, Cruz, and Walker.

Then no one can complain about having 3rd party/non establishment candidates if all you want are the big boys.
 

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Then no one can complain about having 3rd party/non establishment candidates if all you want are the big boys.
The flood of every wannabe into the race is what ensures that all we get are the establishment candidates. There is no doubt in my mind that Jeb Bush would lose the nomination 1-on-1 against Rubio, Paul, or Walker. But when you have twenty people lining up to be the alternative-to-Jeb-Bush (or Mitt Romney), Bush/Romney win without even trying.
 
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