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Then why hasn't Kelly moved him back? He's had two seasons to do it and he has a bevvy of talented WRs competing for time. He doesn't need Prosise to play WR. I'm guessing there was an issue with him at safety that precluded him from going back. Perhaps he avoided contact or wasn't as instinctive as we all believe him to be.

I've also imagined Prosise staying at safety yet the coaches don't really seem all that interested in getting him back there. It's still not too late and we are relatively thin at the position, yet he's not moving.

That tells me the coaches know something we don't.

First of all, nobody said he isn't or won't be productive at WR. Because he is productive it's incredibly hard to move a kid for a 3rd time, especially to the other side of the ball. Even if you believe it's his better position. At this point he's been delegated to offense and it's finding the best ways to get him the ball. As of right now I see very little that says he's a better WR than he would have been S. I understand that this is one part unknown since he never played BCS football at FS. However, just like I'm projecting that based on physical traits, the other side of it is him improving his ball skills. Lastly, I'd add that if that was happening he wouldn't have been the WR that was cross trained at RB. It would have been the WR that was already an RB (Carlisle). I'm really not that up in arms about this just think it should be fairly obvious where his best position is, so this will be it on this topic for me.
 

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Then why hasn't Kelly moved him back? He's had two seasons to do it and he has a bevvy of talented WRs competing for time. He doesn't need Prosise to play WR. I'm guessing there was an issue with him at safety that precluded him from going back. Perhaps he avoided contact or wasn't as instinctive as we all believe him to be.

My understanding is that it was strongly considered after after the '13 season when the injuries and depth issues started cropping up. At minimum, him moving back to saety was reported by some premium sites... and then it didn't happen. It was reported that they ultimately decided that they couldn't keep flopping him around because then he'd never develop anywhere. It's also very possible that they talked to him about moving again and he expressed an interest in staying put on offense. It's hard to know, because you always have to take reports of "intentions" with a grain of salt.
 

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First of all, nobody said he isn't or won't be productive at WR. Because he is productive it's incredibly hard to move a kid for a 3rd time, especially to the other side of the ball. Even if you believe it's his better position. At this point he's been delegated to offense and it's finding the best ways to get him the ball. As of right now I see very little that says he's a better WR than he would have been S. I understand that this is one part unknown since he never played BCS football at FS. However, just like I'm projecting that based on physical traits, the other side of it is him improving his ball skills. Lastly, I'd add that if that was happening he wouldn't have been the WR that was cross trained at RB. It would have been the WR that was already an RB (Carlisle). I'm really not that up in arms about this just think it should be fairly obvious where his best position is, so this will be it on this topic for me.

Lucky, I know you won't be posting again but I really am mostly in agreement. Prosise has a safety's body. He moves well, he's thick and has enough ball skills to be a safety. The only thing I don't agree with, is that it's self-evident where his best position is. Like you said, he hasn't taken a snap at safety so he's a gigantic question mark in that regard.

Maybe since we haven't recruited safety all that well, I don't want to believe that Kelly could spoil such a nice cup of milk. Milk = Prosise

My understanding is that it was strongly considered after after the '13 season when the injuries and depth issues started cropping up. At minimum, him moving back to saety was reported by some premium sites... and then it didn't happen. It was reported that they ultimately decided that they couldn't keep flopping him around because then he'd never develop anywhere. It's also very possible that they talked to him about moving again and he expressed an interest in staying put on offense. It's hard to know, because you always have to take reports of "intentions" with a grain of salt.

I had heard the rumbling as well, I only wonder why it didn't happen. It's a fun theoretical discussion.

Let's hope our secondary shines this year and this whole thing is moot. And let's hope Prosise catches fire.
 

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He's a more attractive prospect as a S. His traits are more suited for playing S than WR. He's an exceptional ATH playing WR. Doesn't run great routes and has below average ball skills. Precisely why we have him cross training at RB. Get the ball in his hands without having to catch it. Maybe better put this way, if I was recruiting him or drafting him as of right now, he's a very intriguing option at S and a non issue as a WR. The fact that he was productive at WR shows his high level athleticism but doesn't mean it's his best position. Myles Jack looks good runnin the ball but his best position is LB. Shaq Thompson is one heck of a RB as well but he's an NFL S. Just because you can do something with a moderate amount of success doesn't mean it should be the primary position.

I definitely think that BK and staff should do what's best for the team and not the player. However, what did last years team need more. A situational big play WR or a consistent FS? Based on the athleticism that we've seen from CJ, I feel pretty confident that if left at S he'd have played a major role on the team last year.

CJ's highest upside is at S and he would be best impacting the team at S as well. Hindsight is 20/20 and that's why nobody is freaking out. Just calling it like it is. With keeping in mind that the player himself admitted to thinking about this, I feel pretty good about my previous statements.

A+ for sticking to your beliefs.

It entails a ton of conjecture and the most extraordinary of lights shined on his safety skills while a dimming of his receiver skills--the latter we've actually seen produce on the field. For example, he's just an athlete playing receiver. But of course he wouldn't be just an athlete playing safety, right?

He may very well have been (or at some point down the road will be) a better safety. But the facts are he wasn't doing much to distinguish himself during his redshirt year, except when he touched the ball playing offense on the scout team. He proved himself to be very explosive and eye catching.

By spring '13 the staff clearly loved what they saw from him. Go back and read all the quotes from the coaches and players from then--there's a lot of glowing praise for his skills on offense once he made the switch.

I think that's what's weird about this discussion: He's blossoming and developing into a major part of the offense and this whole aspect is being enormously glossed over to fit the narrative that he'd be a more impactful safety. Even the fact that he's going to increase his touches from the backfield is seen as some sort of negative because he's not a good enough receiver. The staff loves his potential on offense and it's been this way for 2 years.

Yeah, the depth at safety isn't good now. But would Prosise have been starting over two much more highly regarded, decorated, and prep developed safeties in Redfield and Shumate last season? According to this thesis it sure seems like it, which means that ho hum 50-yard momentum swinging touchdown run against LSU doesn't happen.

I've got no issues with how he's been handled, and I doubt Kelly & Co. do either.
 

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Right now, it's looking like a sub-par move by BK to move him to WR.....but let's wait and see what happens this season. At Safety, Redfield should make the next step this year (please, Max), and it's now-or-never for Shumate. With Sebastian, Tranquill, and maybe Turner or a frosh, we could luck out and have okay depth there as long as we don't get screwed with injuries again back there.

IMO, Prosise is our most dynamic athlete on offense. He made a huge jump from 2013 to 2014, despite the huge logjam at WR/slot. He combined for 642 receiving/rushing yards and averaged 16.6 yards per touch on offense, after going for 72 total yards in 2013. He made LSU and their SEC Speed look slow, and he's really our only physical WR. I would have loved him at Safety last year, but I really just think he's going to make that next jump this season and combine for 1000 total yards on offense.
 
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Right now, I expect CJ will be one of the most dynamic offensive play-makers ND has.

Watching his progress running the ball through the spring he has a deceptive speed and toughness! Best case, CJ is a threat to score from anywhere on the field; worst case, he is a better GAIII. (Which would be really great to balance off TF and GB.

And yesterday when BK said he reminded him of Theo, with his tough running tackle to tackle? That's good enough for me!
 

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This whole deal with CJ has the feel to it of him moving up to the number two spot in the RB pecking order. {Folston will still be #1}. Mr. Bryant better watch out or he'll find himself at #3 again in 2015. People on IE still mock the blocking-the-blitz angle, but Coach is still going to insist that bonehead blown blocking assignments don't stop drives or facilitate turnovers.

Another thing, purely speculative: Kelly tried splitting Bryant out some but we didn't do anything with it. If Bryant had been "Riddick", we surely would have. Now with CJ, Coach says we have another "Riddick". AND with this new imaginative young guy coaching Offense, I speculate that CJ and Amir on the field at the same time [or even CJ and Tarean] might result in sudden positional shifts late pre-snap to buffoon defenses, with the two backs occasionally acting interchangeably.
 

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Has there been any quotes from Kelly pertaining to CJs progression of backfield blocking?

Kelly has mentioned over and over again how natural he is with the ball, but how about blitz pickups?

I know cj is a tremendous blocker, but was just curious about the mental adjustments he must be going through.

If cj can block as effectively in the backfield as he does on the los, we could have ourselves an awesome addition to the backfield.
 
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Has there been any quotes from Kelly pertaining to CJs progression of backfield blocking?

Kelly has mentioned over and over again how natural he is with the ball, but how about blitz pickups?

I know cj is a tremendous blocker, but was just curious about the mental adjustments he must be going through.

If cj can block as effectively in the backfield as he does on the los, we could have ourselves an awesome addition to the backfield.

A) Have (homage to dshans)

B) There have been quotes about how all backs are blocking better. And there have been quotes about how "Riddick"-like CJ is. Which would indicate to me that CJ was competent. Especially when BK says that TF and GB better "watch out" for CJ!
 

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Since spring is the time of speculation, it sounds like Kelly sees Prosise as Riddick-toughness with GAIII speed. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him get 10 touches a game but only 5-6 of those being from the backfield. The other 4-5 being WR/flexed out.

We may see the return of the push pass that allowed GAIII to be effective. Personally, I'd love to see some off-tackle and draw plays to pull the defense inward. Then, push pass for the score!
 

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Since spring is the time of speculation, it sounds like Kelly sees Prosise as Riddick-toughness with GAIII speed. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him get 10 touches a game but only 5-6 of those being from the backfield. The other 4-5 being WR/flexed out.

We may see the return of the push pass that allowed GAIII to be effective. Personally, I'd love to see some off-tackle and draw plays to pull the defense inward. Then, push pass for the score!

Huh? What? What GAIII were you watching? GAIII was good for KR but nothing else. The few good runs he had were usually due to the D being out of position or the O-line doing a great job.
 
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Huh? What? What GAIII were you watching? GAIII was good for KR but nothing else. The few good runs he had were usually due to the D being out of position or the O-line doing a great job.

In a strange sort of round-about way, you guys are saying the same thing. Key concept : It was the push-pass that allowed GAIII to be effective, (and actually use his speed, as opposed to getting his pad level low and busting through the line with all 210 lbs.)
 

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Huh? What? What GAIII were you watching? GAIII was good for KR but nothing else. The few good runs he had were usually due to the D being out of position or the O-line doing a great job.

If you look at the YPC for push passes over GAIII's career, I'd venture it was over 7. The push pass allowed him to accelerate in a near straight line. And I think Prosise is shiftier and more willing to lower the pads but he has similar breakaway speed.

He needs to be on the receiving end of the push pass.

As to GAIII, we are in agreement that he never looked like a natural runner, often times clenching up when he saw the big hit coming. I don't think Prosise is the same in that regard.
 

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I think CJ getting a few carries from the backfield and/or on jet sweeps motioning from the slot would be fantastic...

But I'm still going to huff-and-puff that I'd prefer to see him get more reps as a pure pass-catcher. I really do believe that some of his issues with not looking like a natural receiver would iron themselves out if he would be featured more prominently in his WR role. Give him more opportunities, let him build his confidence, let some of those hiccups work their way out. To this point, he hasn't been given enough opportunities to iron those small things out (though he has been given enough to show how dangerous he is... that's ironic).

CJ is a guy that can take a 10-yard curl and house it... Fuller is the only other guy that has proven he can do something like that (and C.Breezy has the potential). MOAR SLOT REPS FOR CJ PLZ.

Of course, my wishes depend on one of the freshmen backs showing up and being worthy of #3 duties. If Adams/Williams aren't ready to take carries, there will be no choice but to curb CJ's touches out of the slot in favor of the backfield.
 

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If our offensive mindgames can buffoon the opposing middle linebackers, then Prosise slashing across the middle from the slot position will be devastating. The first time that I saw that I jaw-dropped, wowing at the speed [and powerful aggression]. So, yes. PLENTY of CJ in the slot.
 

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If our offensive mindgames can buffoon the opposing middle linebackers, then Prosise slashing across the middle from the slot position will be devastating. The first time that I saw that I jaw-dropped, wowing at the speed [and powerful aggression]. So, yes. PLENTY of CJ in the slot.

Prosise is an incredible athlete. But he has shown, repeatedly, that he doesn't have receiver hands. I always thought he should have stayed on the defensive side of the ball - that may or may not be right, but one thing I'm sure of is that we should not be relying on him to catch the ball out of the backfield or from the slot on a regular basis. He doesn't have the hands to do it.
 

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Prosise is an incredible athlete. But he has shown, repeatedly, that he doesn't have receiver hands. I always thought he should have stayed on the defensive side of the ball - that may or may not be right, but one thing I'm sure of is that we should not be relying on him to catch the ball out of the backfield or from the slot on a regular basis. He doesn't have the hands to do it.

One thing I'm sure of, is that it's never a good idea to be certain of anything. Prosise can continue to improve his hands/concentration, just as we expect everyone else to improve.
 

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I think CJ getting a few carries from the backfield and/or on jet sweeps motioning from the slot would be fantastic...

But I'm still going to huff-and-puff that I'd prefer to see him get more reps as a pure pass-catcher. I really do believe that some of his issues with not looking like a natural receiver would iron themselves out if he would be featured more prominently in his WR role. Give him more opportunities, let him build his confidence, let some of those hiccups work their way out. To this point, he hasn't been given enough opportunities to iron those small things out (though he has been given enough to show how dangerous he is... that's ironic).

CJ is a guy that can take a 10-yard curl and house it... Fuller is the only other guy that has proven he can do something like that (and C.Breezy has the potential). MOAR SLOT REPS FOR CJ PLZ.

Of course, my wishes depend on one of the freshmen backs showing up and being worthy of #3 duties. If Adams/Williams aren't ready to take carries, there will be no choice but to curb CJ's touches out of the slot in favor of the backfield.
Agree reps.
 

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Prosise is an incredible athlete. But he has shown, repeatedly, that he doesn't have receiver hands. I always thought he should have stayed on the defensive side of the ball - that may or may not be right, but one thing I'm sure of is that we should not be relying on him to catch the ball out of the backfield or from the slot on a regular basis. He doesn't have the hands to do it.

Same, because I think that's where his best upside was, but I'm intrigued with the cross-training at RB if we're going to run more option. The truth is that while he's a very explosive player, there just aren't enough footballs to go around for him to make much of an impact in the slot with his inconsistency and the number of other capable WRs.

Playing out of the backfield though, he might almost ironically give us what they originally hoped to get out of Carlisle -- a home run threat who can also be motioned into or out of the backfield and used as a receiver. Additionally, at 6' 220 he has great size and could learn to be a powerful runner... or because of his height he might run too upright like GAIII. Only time will tell, but I definitely hope he gets a bunch of touches in the B&G game to see the progress he's made so far.
 

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Same, because I think that's where his best upside was, but I'm intrigued with the cross-training at RB if we're going to run more option. The truth is that while he's a very explosive player, there just aren't enough footballs to go around for him to make much of an impact in the slot with his inconsistency and the number of other capable WRs.

Is that really the case though?

We have Fuller, and [maybe] Brown, and [maybe] Robinson on the outside, and then Amir in the slot.... but even after a stellar start to the season, Amir fell off and kind of went invisible for the last part of the season.

Even if a guy like Hunter Jr. or Brent emerges, and even if Brown/Robinson get it together as outside threats opposite Fuller, there are still inside pass-catching opportunities to be had, especially if Amir remains inconsistent.

I think a big part of the problem is that BK won't commit to involving his inside receivers, or let them try and take up the burden of being the primary targets. But, to be honest, we've been waiting five years for BK to let the offense fully off the leash... last year was the closest we got, and it was spoiled by a plague of turnovers and a decimated defense.

It's just frustrating, to me, that BK has seemed to search for a perfect slot prospect for his offense for so long, and yet now that he's got Amir and CJ with so much athleticism and potential, those guys haven't received extended auditions at being a focus.
 

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so is BK getting prosise all these reps in spring to see if he can be a bonifide rb behind Bryant and folston...or is prosise actually challenging both of them for every down rb come fall?
 

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so is BK getting prosise all these reps in spring to see if he can be a bonifide rb behind Bryant and folston...or is prosise actually challenging both of them for every down rb come fall?

IMO, they don'tr know. Procise shocked the coaches all year with his ability once the ball gets in his hands, and the LSU game was the exclamation point.

We all know he has mediocre hands, and no one has ever raved about his being a really instinctual football player, but once he gets the ball, he is absolutely electric.

The coaches are now simply trying to figure out what to do with him, and he continues to surprise.
 

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Is that really the case though?

We have Fuller, and [maybe] Brown, and [maybe] Robinson on the outside, and then Amir in the slot.... but even after a stellar start to the season, Amir fell off and kind of went invisible for the last part of the season.

Even if a guy like Hunter Jr. or Brent emerges, and even if Brown/Robinson get it together as outside threats opposite Fuller, there are still inside pass-catching opportunities to be had, especially if Amir remains inconsistent.

Let's focus on slot for a second and ignore the Fuller/Brown/Robinson dynamic. Last year Prosise had more big drops than big plays because he doesn't have good hands. People don't usually improve their hands more than a marginal amount... people with a case of the dropsies are never going to become Odell Beckham.

This year you have an incumbent starter (Carlisle) plus a healthy Torii Hunter Jr. plus Justin Brent who shows flashes of utter brilliance in practice... but it remains to be seen if he's out of the dog house yet or not. So you've got at least 3 capable bodies currently on the roster, plus incoming CJ Sanders. There is no need to be 5 deep at slot WR with a guy who you're not sure can be consistent... even if it's just taking practice reps from Sanders and Brent, there's a downside there.

It's similar to Theo Riddick who played slot for 2 years and just never developed into the gamebreaker Kelly wanted, so they moved him to RB. He was a ++ receiver for a RB, even though he was not an NFL level slot WR.

I think that kind of role (though I'm guessing probably skewed more towards receiving than rushing attempts) provides Prosise's best value on offense. If you can move him all over the place... motion him into the backfield or out of the backfield or use him in a 2-back set... then you can use him to create mismatches. Either they have to try to cover him with a linebacker, or they have to go small in which case you can run the ball right at their nickel or dime. If you're confident in his running ability, you can line up empty with 4 wide with a TE in-line, and then bring him into the backfield and run the ball against a light defense. You can also go "heavy" with someone like Luatua as an H-Back and the empty the backfield. But none of this works unless Prosise is competent and trained to both carry and catch the ball... and we already know that neither Bryant or Folston can really be a + receiver as a RB.

I think a big part of the problem is that BK won't commit to involving his inside receivers, or let them try and take up the burden of being the primary targets. But, to be honest, we've been waiting five years for BK to let the offense fully off the leash... last year was the closest we got, and it was spoiled by a plague of turnovers and a decimated defense.

It's just frustrating, to me, that BK has seemed to search for a perfect slot prospect for his offense for so long, and yet now that he's got Amir and CJ with so much athleticism and potential, those guys haven't received extended auditions at being a focus.

I think the issue is Golson not seeing the middle of the field, not design. And I disagree that Amir and CJ haven't been given enough reps/chances. Combined they had more targets last year than the TE or outside WR opposite Fuller.
 

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I think the issue is Golson not seeing the middle of the field, not design. And I disagree that Amir and CJ haven't been given enough reps/chances. Combined they had more targets last year than the TE or outside WR opposite Fuller.

I agree with the top part of your post... thinking about it in terms of Theo Riddick's impact, maybe that is the best route for Prosise.

As for the reps, the evidence doesn't support that. Brown, Robinson and Koyack had 109 receptions between them, whereas Prosise and Carlisle had 52.

That's not a terrible ratio on behalf of the slot guys getting their chance... until you realize that CJ had nearly as many yards as Brown and Robinson, while catching 10 less passes than each of them.

With the returns they've gotten from CJ, even with his issues with drops, I think it makes sense to try and let him iron some things out with more consistent targets.

And I think his drops are over-blown as it is. He had the big one against Rice (which was bad), and then dropped a big play against FSU (which was actually going to be a difficult catch for any of our WR's) and again against Lousiville (I was at the game, so idk if it was a bad drop or not, it was opposite endzone from where I was).
 

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Here are two examples from 2012 with Riddick of plays that can have + value with someone like Prosise that you don't currently have if trying to do the same thing with Folston/Bryant:
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Against Oklahoma, the Sooners were so afraid of Riddick as a receiver that they generally covered him man-to-man with a DB (although sometimes a linebacker like in the play above). ND ran this play again and again and again... send Riddick sprinting towards the sideline in motion... get the man covering him to vacate the box... run a draw with Golson for 5-10 yards. When teams have to respect your back as a receiver, you can exploit them this way. ND ran the same exact play multiple times and it worked every time because of the numbers in the box.

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On this play, you have a broken play. Because Pittsburgh has a linebacker on Riddick, Riddick goes into receiver mode and works wide open behind him for the game tying touchdown. So it's pick your poison... respect the player as a receiver and you can exploit them like against Oklahoma; set up for the run and the player can go to work on a linebacker ill-equipped to cover them.
 
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Riddick's effectiveness was uncanny, and a part of 2012 that doesn't get nearly enough credit (and people around here give him a lot of credit). I'm not arguing that.

I guess what I'm worried about is that CJ is going to get lost in the shuffle after this cross-training experiment. Riddick is a good example of the hybrid working to perfection... but he's the only example in five seasons. He had 190 (!) carries in 2012, and 38 receptions... I just fear that Prosise won't be given a fair shake to be the weapon that he is.
 

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I would love to see us employ the delay counter that Kelly used when he first got here. That play seemed to result in large chunks we Jonas Gray and Robert Hughes. Imagine if Prosise was the guy running through the holes that play can create?

I know once or twice we attempted delays similar to that play last year, only to have Hegarty pushed back and it would blow up in our face, but if the o-line is going to be as physical and nasty this year as the coaches want, I'd say it would be a great play for us to use.
 

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I agree with the top part of your post... thinking about it in terms of Theo Riddick's impact, maybe that is the best route for Prosise.

As for the reps, the evidence doesn't support that. Brown, Robinson and Koyack had 109 receptions between them, whereas Prosise and Carlisle had 52.

Well, I said targets (and really I meant targets + touches... i.e. overall plays run for a given position, so my bad). Second, I meant to include Hunter in all slot activity. Third, I just realized how hard it would be to pull "targets"... you'd have to go game by game I think and that's not happening. So overall touches you've got SLOT (78) > TE (31) and < Non-Fuller Outside WR (80). So clearly I was wrong on the second outside receiver, but at least my intent was closer to accurate.
 
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