'15 CA WR Equanimeous St. Brown (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ACamp1900]

Gotta love the ND sweatpants in the workout video

I have a thing for sweatpants in general, really get me going if you know what I mea-.... Wait,... What?

 

[Booslum31]

Any team we play with undersized DB's is fucked in a couple years.

Yup...love how he goes up and gets the ball!

 

[EuropeanDomer]

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His second catch of the game against Bishop Gorman is impressive.

 

[Ironman8]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Meet the well-traveled, multi-talented ESPN 300 WR Equanimeous St. Brown. <a href="http://t.co/JLUujiouvr">http://t.co/JLUujiouvr</a> <a href="http://t.co/ljt11tt2C8">pic.twitter.com/ljt11tt2C8</a></p>— RecruitingNation (@ESPNRNFball) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNRNFball/status/559754071880794112">January 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[NCND]

ESB is ranked 63rd overall, DW is ranked 78th overall in ESPN rankings. Could finally get some of that SEC, USC hype on signing day... but I doubt it.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

ESB is ranked 63rd overall, DW is ranked 78th overall in ESPN rankings. Could finally get some of that SEC, USC hype on signing day... but I doubt it.

Why do you doubt it? ESB has been reported as being a silent commit and rumors going around that DW is going to ND but wants his moment on NSD. Obviously things can happen between now and then but that sounds like a good chance that ND nation will be really happy on NSD (happier than they already are with our current commits).

 

[Ironman8]

Why do you doubt it? ESB has been reported as being a silent commit and rumors going around that DW is going to ND but wants his moment on NSD. Obviously things can happen between now and then but that sounds like a good chance that ND nation will be really happy on NSD (happier than they already are with our current commits).

He doubts that ESPN will hype us over the SEC teams also getting high profile commits on NSD, not that we will get those two.

I agree, but not because of a non-ND bias. Several SEC schools are bringing in top 15, 5 stars. Those are the headline grabbing guys, and will get the attention accordingly. If we somehow pulled Cowart, Jefferson, etc., we would be getting that attention. We did when we snagged Te'o.

 

[DonnieNarco]

I always love to see ND add top wide receiver prospects. Zaire, Kizer, Golson, and Wimbush have to be pretty happy as well.

 

[NCND]

Why do you doubt it? ESB has been reported as being a silent commit and rumors going around that DW is going to ND but wants his moment on NSD. Obviously things can happen between now and then but that sounds like a good chance that ND nation will be really happy on NSD (happier than they already are with our current commits).

I'm saying that I'm doubting that ESPN will hype up ND's class like they'll hype USC, FSU and the SEC after they pick up their top 100 commits on signing day.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm saying that I'm doubting that ESPN will hype up ND's class like they'll hype USC, FSU and the SEC after they pick up their top 100 commits on signing day.

After watching a few of the so-called "top 100"'s films, I'm starting to realize the flaws in the star system and they are blatant (I know, breaking news...). This is just my two cents, but it seems like there are a few factors that increase star rating:

- Camp results
- Film
- Publicity

First two are obvious, though I put more stock into game film than camp results. Sure, camps can show how good a player is against the highest quality competition, but it's not a game-like atmosphere and it's one-on-one. The college game is rarely ever as cut-and-dry as that. The only time I'll take camp results over game film is if the competition is just flat out atrocious. This is what separates the Rasheem Green's from the Micah Dew-Treadway's, or the Josh Barajas from the Osa Masina's.

The last one isn't as prominent but still very much in play. Ranking systems will more than definitely boost a recruits ratings who play the publicity game, and make every attempt to attract media attention either with his play or his words. And why not? It makes them money, so throw him a bone. Now this one is more reliant on the former 2, but it's an advantage that a recruit can choose to use in order to increase his "stock".

Now don't get me wrong, the star system isn't wrong, and it, in a lot of cases, generally are good at determining a player's impact time (5-stars = immediate impact, 3-stars=1-2 years of good coaching and he should be good), but overall potential isn't so black and white as a star rating.

I do enjoy having more stars, as it's a more tangible victory looking up at those recruiting rankings and seeing ND in the top 5-10 on a yearly basis, and I do believe getting those 4-5 star immediate impact players is important, but there is more to it than simply that. I'd rather have a 3-star with high potential, that has the film to back it up, and is willing to put in the work, both on and off the field over a 5-star who's going to flake out of classes and get by on the field with his natural developed talent, and let's face it, there have been a few of those here recently that have flaked out for one reason or another. Just my 2 cents.

 

[GoldenDome]

After watching a few of the so-called "top 100"'s films, I'm starting to realize the flaws in the star system and they are blatant (I know, breaking news...). This is just my two cents, but it seems like there are a few factors that increase star rating:

- Camp results
- Film
- Publicity

First two are obvious, though I put more stock into game film than camp results. Sure, camps can show how good a player is against the highest quality competition, but it's not a game-like atmosphere and it's one-on-one. The college game is rarely ever as cut-and-dry as that. The only time I'll take camp results over game film is if the competition is just flat out atrocious. This is what separates the Rasheem Green's from the Micah Dew-Treadway's, or the Josh Barajas from the Osa Masina's.

The last one isn't as prominent but still very much in play. Ranking systems will more than definitely boost a recruits ratings who play the publicity game, and make every attempt to attract media attention either with his play or his words. And why not? It makes them money, so throw him a bone. Now this one is more reliant on the former 2, but it's an advantage that a recruit can choose to use in order to increase his "stock".

Now don't get me wrong, the star system isn't wrong, and it, in a lot of cases, generally are good at determining a player's impact time (5-stars = immediate impact, 3-stars=1-2 years of good coaching and he should be good), but overall potential isn't so black and white as a star rating.

I do enjoy having more stars, as it's a more tangible victory looking up at those recruiting rankings and seeing ND in the top 5-10 on a yearly basis, and I do believe getting those 4-5 star immediate impact players is important, but there is more to it than simply that. I'd rather have a 3-star with high potential, that has the film to back it up, and is willing to put in the work, both on and off the field over a 5-star who's going to flake out of classes and get by on the field with his natural developed talent, and let's face it, there have been a few of those here recently that have flaked out for one reason or another. Just my 2 cents.

Wrong.

You do realize you are watching highlight reels right? They might not even tell a 1/4 of the story. They don't show blown plays or missed tackles.

I would say that ballin out in allstar practices and winning one on one drills is the best way to evaluate relative talent. There is a reason talent evaluators left after the practices were over for the senior bowl.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Wrong.

You do realize you are watching highlight reels right? They might not even tell a 1/4 of the story. They don't show blown plays or missed tackles.

I would say that ballin out in allstar practices and winning one on one drills is the best way to evaluate relative talent. There is a reason talent evaluators left after the practices were over for the senior bowl.

Wrong. You seem to be comparing All-star practices to the actual games. I have no argument there. The practices mean more. I'm talking about legitimate highlight film, not all-star games, so your second point has no purpose.

I'm willing to bet these guys make way more plays than they do blown assignments, and let's remember that these aren't everyday joe-schmo's recruiting them. These are highly paid college coaches. I'm pretty sure Brian Kelly is aware of any blown assignments that they'd make, because he has more extensive access to film than we do.

Secondly, 1v1 is okay, but it only shows how he'd do man to man without adapting to scheme both offensively and defensively. To an extent, highlight film does a much better job of that and it shows it off better in his position on the field. Personally, 1v1's only really benefit db's v. wr's, because they are primarily at odds with each other. Linemen have several gap responsibilities and coordinated blocking assignments that need to be perfected, and aren't on display during all-star practices/games. LB's face several different types of personnel, so 1v1's do very little in the broad scheme. The only time 1v1 in camp trumps film is if the competition is just truly terrible.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

After watching a few of the so-called "top 100"'s films, I'm starting to realize the flaws in the star system and they are blatant (I know, breaking news...). This is just my two cents, but it seems like there are a few factors that increase star rating:

- Camp results
- Film
- Publicity

First two are obvious, though I put more stock into game film than camp results. Sure, camps can show how good a player is against the highest quality competition, but it's not a game-like atmosphere and it's one-on-one. The college game is rarely ever as cut-and-dry as that. The only time I'll take camp results over game film is if the competition is just flat out atrocious. This is what separates the Rasheem Green's from the Micah Dew-Treadway's, or the Josh Barajas from the Osa Masina's.

The last one isn't as prominent but still very much in play. Ranking systems will more than definitely boost a recruits ratings who play the publicity game, and make every attempt to attract media attention either with his play or his words. And why not? It makes them money, so throw him a bone. Now this one is more reliant on the former 2, but it's an advantage that a recruit can choose to use in order to increase his "stock".

Now don't get me wrong, the star system isn't wrong, and it, in a lot of cases, generally are good at determining a player's impact time (5-stars = immediate impact, 3-stars=1-2 years of good coaching and he should be good), but overall potential isn't so black and white as a star rating.

I do enjoy having more stars, as it's a more tangible victory looking up at those recruiting rankings and seeing ND in the top 5-10 on a yearly basis, and I do believe getting those 4-5 star immediate impact players is important, but there is more to it than simply that. I'd rather have a 3-star with high potential, that has the film to back it up, and is willing to put in the work, both on and off the field over a 5-star who's going to flake out of classes and get by on the field with his natural developed talent, and let's face it, there have been a few of those here recently that have flaked out for one reason or another. Just my 2 cents.

Are those the only two options? You have this tied up in a tidy little box.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Are those the only two options? You have this tied up in a tidy little box.

Aaron Lynch, Ishaq Williams, Ronald Darby, Tee Shepard, Deontay Greenberry, Alex Anzalone, Blake Barnett, Eddie Vanderdoes, Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal. I rest my case.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Aaron Lynch, Ishaq Williams, Ronald Darby, Tee Shepard, Deontay Greenberry, Alex Anzalone, Blake Barnett, Eddie Vanderdoes, Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal. I rest my case.

Wait, you are saying all of those players never worked in class and never worked to develop their talent? And those are the only two options moving forward?

Once again, tidy little box. You're case is restless.

 

[connor_in]

I do enjoy having more stars, as it's a more tangible victory looking up at those recruiting rankings and seeing ND in the top 5-10 on a yearly basis, and I do believe getting those 4-5 star immediate impact players is important, but there is more to it than simply that. I'd rather have a 3-star with high potential, that has the film to back it up, and is willing to put in the work, both on and off the field over a 5-star who's going to flake out of classes and get by on the field with his natural developed talent, and let's face it, there have been a few of those here recently that have flaked out for one reason or another. Just my 2 cents.

Big Spartan fan, huh?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Aaron Lynch, Ishaq Williams, Ronald Darby, Tee Shepard, Deontay Greenberry, Alex Anzalone, Blake Barnett, Eddie Vanderdoes, Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal. I rest my case.

Josh Atkinson, Chris Badger, Andrew Hendrix, Luke Massa, Cam Roberson, Mike Huerman, Carlo Calabrese, Daniel Smith, Alex Welch, Mark Harrell, Tate Nichols, Chase Hounshell, Anthony Rabasa, Justin Utopo, Ben Councell, Kendall Moore, John Turner, Lo Wood, Spencer Boyd, Eilar Hardy.

You might want to open up your case, because you are FAR from being convincing here.

Like VDP...tidy little box.

 

[Nick Setta]

Josh Atkinson, Chris Badger, Andrew Hendrix, Luke Massa, Cam Roberson, Mike Huerman, Carlo Calabrese, Daniel Smith, Alex Welch, Mark Harrell, Tate Nichols, Chase Hounshell, Anthony Rabasa, Justin Utopo, Ben Councell, Kendall Moore, John Turner, Lo Wood, Spencer Boyd, Eilar Hardy.

You might want to open up your case, because you are FAR from being convincing here.

Like VDP...tidy little box.

So many of those players got hurt....
Just sad really.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Josh Atkinson, Chris Badger, Andrew Hendrix, Luke Massa, Cam Roberson, Mike Huerman, Carlo Calabrese, Daniel Smith, Alex Welch, Mark Harrell, Tate Nichols, Chase Hounshell, Anthony Rabasa, Justin Utopo, Ben Councell, Kendall Moore, John Turner, Lo Wood, Spencer Boyd, Eilar Hardy.

You might want to open up your case, because you are FAR from being convincing here.

Like VDP...tidy little box.

Good post. We focus on the big names that flamed out but there are far more lower rated guys that never made an impact.

 

[anarin]

Josh Atkinson, Chris Badger, Andrew Hendrix, Luke Massa, Cam Roberson, Mike Huerman, Carlo Calabrese, Daniel Smith, Alex Welch, Mark Harrell, Tate Nichols, Chase Hounshell, Anthony Rabasa, Justin Utopo, Ben Councell, Kendall Moore, John Turner, Lo Wood, Spencer Boyd, Eilar Hardy.

You might want to open up your case, because you are FAR from being convincing here.

Like VDP...tidy little box.

Whoa whoa whoa!!! You pump those breaks my man. Hendrix had a great run against Air Force .

Yeah.... That's all I got.....

 

[GoldenDome]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

-George Carlin

It is so tempting though.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Josh Atkinson, Chris Badger, Andrew Hendrix, Luke Massa, Cam Roberson, Mike Huerman, Carlo Calabrese, Daniel Smith, Alex Welch, Mark Harrell, Tate Nichols, Chase Hounshell, Anthony Rabasa, Justin Utopo, Ben Councell, Kendall Moore, John Turner, Lo Wood, Spencer Boyd, Eilar Hardy.

Atkinson: Package deal to get GAIII. Never had high-potential, just a lot of speed.
Badger: Went on a 2-year mission and screwed up his development.
Hendrix: 4-star guy, but yes, he just busted.
Massa: Pro-style QB in a spread offense and switched positions.
Roberson: Injuries ended career (4-star guy)
Heuerman: Injuries and inability to bulk up. (4-star guy)
Calabrese: Recruited by Weis. Didn't have much upside.
Smith: Wouldn't say he busted, but overall solid depth guy for a while. Not much upside.
Alex Welch: Injuries and got passed up by Eifert (3-star guy)
Mark Harrell: Lost in a very deep offensive line. Okay upside, but not compared others.
Tate Nichols: Injuries ended career
Chase Hounshell: Injuries stunted development
Anthony Rabasa: 4-3 DE playing in a 3-4 for 3 years. Couldn't adjust to scheme.
Justin Utupo: Same as Rabasa. Didn't fit a 3-4 at all.
Ben Councell: Injuries stunted development.
Kendall Moore: Not much upside. More of a 4-3 MLB, not enough length for a 3-4.
Spencer Boyd: Never even saw fall camp.
John Turner: Good one, but I believe he had a lot of hurdles when coming here.
Lo Wood: Not much upside. Lacked size and speed.
Eilar Hardy: 4-star guy, but yes busted.

There is a big difference between the 3-stars Kelly used to get in 2010 and 2011 particularly, and the 3-stars he gets now. They have much more athletic potential, and aren't just there to fill a spot, which Kelly had to do in 2010-11 because the depth was pretty bad.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Good post. We focus on the big names that flamed out but there are far more lower rated guys that never made an impact.

True, but most of them were low-upside guys who were recruited to fill a gap in a very baron roster back when Kelly took over, and a lot of those guys had their careers derailed by injuries.

Practically all of the 5-stars that we had, didn't get hurt, for the most part they just left.

 

[GoldenDomer]

#FreeMarkHarrell

 

[NDinL.A.]

Atkinson: Package deal to get GAIII. Never had high-potential, just a lot of speed.
Badger: Went on a 2-year mission and screwed up his development.
Hendrix: 4-star guy, but yes, he just busted.
Massa: Pro-style QB in a spread offense and switched positions.
Roberson: Injuries ended career (4-star guy)
Heuerman: Injuries and inability to bulk up. (4-star guy)
Calabrese: Recruited by Weis. Didn't have much upside.
Smith: Wouldn't say he busted, but overall solid depth guy for a while. Not much upside.
Alex Welch: Injuries and got passed up by Eifert (3-star guy)
Mark Harrell: Lost in a very deep offensive line. Okay upside, but not compared others.
Tate Nichols: Injuries ended career
Chase Hounshell: Injuries stunted development
Anthony Rabasa: 4-3 DE playing in a 3-4 for 3 years. Couldn't adjust to scheme.
Justin Utupo: Same as Rabasa. Didn't fit a 3-4 at all.
Ben Councell: Injuries stunted development.
Kendall Moore: Not much upside. More of a 4-3 MLB, not enough length for a 3-4.
Spencer Boyd: Never even saw fall camp.
John Turner: Good one, but I believe he had a lot of hurdles when coming here.
Lo Wood: Not much upside. Lacked size and speed.
Eilar Hardy: 4-star guy, but yes busted.

There is a big difference between the 3-stars Kelly used to get in 2010 and 2011 particularly, and the 3-stars he gets now. They have much more athletic potential, and aren't just there to fill a spot, which Kelly had to do in 2010-11 because the depth was pretty bad.

Great...you just gave us a list of excuses. I could easily go through your list and give a bunch of excuses as well. But why would I waste my time? All they are is excuses. Truth is, your premise doesn't make sense because you are acting like there is only a choice between 3 stars with potential or 5 stars that are divas and nothing else LOL.

You know what 5 stars had diva attitudes? Mike Floyd, Jimmy Clausen, even Manti Te'o to a certain extent (don't let the persona he displayed to the media fool you...and I LOVE Manti). They were also studs for ND.

Sooooo.....give me a 5 star over a 3 star any day of the week. Quite simply, they pan out FAR more often.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Atkinson: Package deal to get GAIII. Never had high-potential, just a lot of speed.
Badger: Went on a 2-year mission and screwed up his development.
Hendrix: 4-star guy, but yes, he just busted.
Massa: Pro-style QB in a spread offense and switched positions.
Roberson: Injuries ended career (4-star guy)
Heuerman: Injuries and inability to bulk up. (4-star guy)
Calabrese: Recruited by Weis. Didn't have much upside.
Smith: Wouldn't say he busted, but overall solid depth guy for a while. Not much upside.
Alex Welch: Injuries and got passed up by Eifert (3-star guy)
Mark Harrell: Lost in a very deep offensive line. Okay upside, but not compared others.
Tate Nichols: Injuries ended career
Chase Hounshell: Injuries stunted development
Anthony Rabasa: 4-3 DE playing in a 3-4 for 3 years. Couldn't adjust to scheme.
Justin Utupo: Same as Rabasa. Didn't fit a 3-4 at all.
Ben Councell: Injuries stunted development.
Kendall Moore: Not much upside. More of a 4-3 MLB, not enough length for a 3-4.
Spencer Boyd: Never even saw fall camp.
John Turner: Good one, but I believe he had a lot of hurdles when coming here.
Lo Wood: Not much upside. Lacked size and speed.
Eilar Hardy: 4-star guy, but yes busted.

There is a big difference between the 3-stars Kelly used to get in 2010 and 2011 particularly, and the 3-stars he gets now. They have much more athletic potential, and aren't just there to fill a spot, which Kelly had to do in 2010-11 because the depth was pretty bad.

 

[Irish#1]

So how about ESB?

 

[Luckylucci]

So how about ESB?

Staff did an in-home and "finalized" everything for his announcement. Will announce at 12pm PST on NSD and he is all but signed at this point.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Staff did an in-home and "finalized" everything for his announcement. Will announce at 12pm PST on NSD and he is all but signed at this point.

Will ESPNU cover it?

 

[Luckylucci]

ESPN