A Song of Ice and Fire (Spoilers! Only enter if you have read all books)

[IrishinSyria]

I haven't yet made up my mind whether or not I'm watching the new season. What are your thoughts?

Why would you not watch the new season?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Why would you not watch the new season?

Because it is going to go farther than the books

 

[IrishinSyria]

Because it is going to go farther than the books

I thought they still had a lot of ground to cover before that happened... like maybe it's a concern if GRRM can't get WoW out before season 6?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I thought they still had a lot of ground to cover before that happened... like maybe it's a concern if GRRM can't get WoW out before season 6?

There IS still a lot hanging out to cover, but there has already been at least one huge reveal - with the night's king - and bran's story is pretty much caught up. I just don't have much faith that the book timeline and the show timeline will match up. I'm just having a hard time seeing a season that doesn't go past the books. I would love it if it did not

 

[IrishinSyria]

There IS still a lot hanging out to cover, but there has already been at least one huge reveal - with the night's king - and bran's story is pretty much caught up. I just don't have much faith that the book timeline and the show timeline will match up. I'm just having a hard time seeing a season that doesn't go past the books. I would love it if it did not

Makes sense. I started reading the books as they came out with a Storm of Swords, so I've been a little hazy with what's in the books and what's not on some of the more tangential points. It's a lot of information to remember over the course of a decade.

I think this season is safe though.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Makes sense. I started reading the books as they came out with a Storm of Swords, so I've been a little hazy with what's in the books and what's not on some of the more tangential points. It's a lot of information to remember over the course of a decade.

I think this season is safe though.

I hope you're right. For the record, if the show were to pass the books, would you watch?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I hope you're right. For the record, if the show were to pass the books, would you watch?

Probably, because there's enough people who watch the show that there's no way to avoid hearing about what happened even if you don't watch it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's a /r/asoiaf post regarding the relative popularity of various fan theories.

 

[gkIrish]

Here's a /r/asoiaf post regarding the relative popularity of various fan theories.

re: #9, isn't one theory that Melisandre switched Jon Snow's appearance with someone else the same way she did with Mance ?

Or did I make all that up?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

re: #9, isn't one theory that Melisandre switched Jon Snow's appearance with someone else the same way she did with Mance ?

Or did I make all that up?

There are a lot of theories about how Jon could have avoided his apparent death in ADwD. You'll see many of the omitted ones listed in the comments below. The OP simply listed the most popular options.

 

[Corry]

re: #9, isn't one theory that Melisandre switched Jon Snow's appearance with someone else the same way she did with Mance ?

Or did I make all that up?

That theory would hold more weight if we read about Jon's stabbing in someone else's POV. Being that we read it in his I don't think it's possible.

 

[gkIrish]

That theory would hold more weight if we read about Jon's stabbing in someone else's POV. Being that we read it in his I don't think it's possible.

Makes sense

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Part 2 of the voting: Identity

 

[GATTACA!]

Part 2 of the voting: Identity

Part 3 is up too

 

[Corry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Whoa. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Waterstones">@Waterstones</a>: The original outline for Game of Thrones. Complete with redacted ending. Spoilers, obviously. <a href="http://t.co/Kx3dlhS0Vy">pic.twitter.com/Kx3dlhS0Vy</a></p>— BryndenBFish (@WarsofASOIAF) <a href="https://twitter.com/WarsofASOIAF/status/563058710814404608">February 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Kinda a crazy if this is real. Sorry I don't know how to post pictures.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Whoa. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Waterstones">@Waterstones</a>: The original outline for Game of Thrones. Complete with redacted ending. Spoilers, obviously. <a href="http://t.co/Kx3dlhS0Vy">pic.twitter.com/Kx3dlhS0Vy</a></p>— BryndenBFish (@WarsofASOIAF) <a href="https://twitter.com/WarsofASOIAF/status/563058710814404608">February 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Kinda a crazy if this is real. Sorry I don't know how to post pictures.

I'm scared to look and see spoilers. What is this exactly? A drafted outline of the first book which includes additional info regarding the series?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm scared to look and see spoilers. What is this exactly? A drafted outline of the first book which includes additional info regarding the series?

Outline of the series when GRRM first planned it as a trilogy. The planned ending (to Book 1, I assume) is redacted. As long as you've read the books, there's not much in there to worry about. But:

• R+L = J basically confirmed by GRRM himself.
• Dany, Tyrion, Bran, Arya and Jon confirmed as the "main" characters.
• Arya as Jon's love interest!?
• Jamie on the Iron Throne
• Sansa siding with the Lannisters, marrying Joffrey, and bearing his child
• Joffrey maimed in battle at Rob's hand
• Rob dying in battle with Lannister forces
• Tyrion burning Winterfell...

A lot of what's described in there changed significantly. So those few snippets that might give us a glimpse of what's to come are unreliable, at best. Still cool to see how it was originally conceived.

 

[Corry]

So I guess our friends at reddit didn't take to kindly to some of the outline being redacted. The original tweet has been deleted, and this is what the have so far. LOL

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's a delightful piece of tin foil.

 

[phork]

Wow. I really need to catch up on the books. Its amazing how some of theories come to light. The human mind is fantastic.

 

[GATTACA!]

Here's a delightful piece of tin foil.

I really like this theory. It's going to be hilarious to go back and reread this after TWoW is released and we see how wrong im sure this is.

 

[IrishLion]

Here's something I was thinking about:

Is the Night's King an Other? Or do the others simply pay homage to them by delivering the sacrificial children, as we saw in the show?

Is it possible the Night's King is restless and prepared to take over, and the Others moving south, and hence pushing the wildlings as well, is a result of them trying to get the F out of his way?

I'm sure the answer is that the Others are under the Night's King, since it's been a long time since I've done a read-through and missed explanations around this thread, but it would be interesting if the Others are actually on the run from the Night's King as well, and their run-ins with man are simply collateral damage as they seek refuge.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's something I was thinking about:

Is the Night's King an Other? Or do the others simply pay homage to them by delivering the sacrificial children, as we saw in the show?

He certainly looks like one:

For anyone who missed it yesterday, HBO just released its 2nd trailer for S5:

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And here's a thread on /r/asoiaf regarding some of the most interesting revelations from that trailer. To summarize, it looks like Littlefinger and Sansa will be visiting Winterfell and plotting against the Boltons and Freys instead of Wyman Manderly.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So the show is going to get ahead of the books now?

It looks like I will have to abandon this thread.

 

[GATTACA!]

it looks like Littlefinger and Sansa will be visiting Winterfell and plotting against the Boltons and Freys instead of Wyman Manderly.

No "The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done" speech??

 

[Whiskeyjack]

No "The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done" speech??

Supposedly the Greatjon is returning for this season. There's speculation that he'll be the one to deliver that speech (or something similar) to Sansa.

 

[IrishLion]

I watched HBO's "A Day in the Life" thing on GoT. It appears that not only will we see action from Hardhome (where the wildling refugees who left rather than taking the Night's Watch's deal went), but that show-version Jon Snow will be traveling to Hardhome after all, where he will take part in a battle.

In the books, I'm pretty sure he sent someone else to lead the ranging to Hardhome, no?

Not sure if this is a significant change, or if the show is simply amplifying the Hardhome storyline a bit to kill time, so as to not go too far past the books.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I watched HBO's "A Day in the Life" thing on GoT. It appears that not only will we see action from Hardhome (where the wildling refugees who left rather than taking the Night's Watch's deal went), but that show-version Jon Snow will be traveling to Hardhome after all, where he will take part in a battle.

In the books, I'm pretty sure he sent someone else to lead the ranging to Hardhome, no?

Not sure if this is a significant change, or if the show is simply amplifying the Hardhome storyline a bit to kill time, so as to not go too far past the books.

Jon plans to have Tormund lead the ranging to Hardhome, though it hasn't happened yet at the end of ADwD. Probably just an easier way to show the horrors of what happened in 1st person rather than relying on letters from Cotter Pyke.

 

[GATTACA!]

Jon plans to have Tormund lead the ranging to Hardhome, though it hasn't happened yet at the end of ADwD. Probably just an easier way to show the horrors of what happened in 1st person rather than relying on letters from Cotter Pyke.

I read a pretty kick ass description of what is supposedly going to happen at Hardhome on the show. Pretty sure it was on /r/asoiaf ill have to try and find it.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Sigh. D&D will tell the ending before GRRM.
(Spoilers All) D&D have just confirmed that the show and the books will feature the same ending. "There may be a few deviations along the route, but we're heading towards the same destination." : asoiaf

there might be a few deviations along the route, but we're heading towards the same destination. I kind of wish that there were some things we didn't have to spoil, but we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on [...] and that's what we're going to do."