'15 IN S Mykelti Williams (Iowa Western Transfer)

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We're they the difference makers? Or were they solid starters any the highly touted players the stars?

If you start for Bama you are a difference maker. Steen, Warmack, Shepherd, And Lindsey started on the OL. Stinson, Dareus, Dial, Ivory, and Cook starts, or started on the DL. Sunseri was huge in the secondary, Norwood was the starting WR in the Bama / ND NCG, Belue, Jackson started in the secondary. And yes, they all had 4-5 star players behind them on the depth chart at the time they were starting.
 
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If you start for Bama you are a difference maker. Steen, Warmack, Shepherd, And Lindsey started on the OL. Stinson, Dareus, Dial, Ivory, and Cook starts, or started on the DL. Sunseri was huge in the secondary, Norwood was the starting WR in the Bama / ND NCG, Belue, Jackson started in the secondary. And yes, they all had 4-5 star players behind them on the depth chart at the time they were starting.

So what are you saying? ND will be fine because we surround 3-star players with 3-star players? I just don't buy that that will work if we want to compete for the playoffs.

We're recruiting pretty good, not great. Definitely not elite. It is what it is and nobody's mad at the coaches or players for it. It's a direct result of winning 7/8 games. That has to improve and then the recruits will come.
 

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Congratulations to Mykelti and the Williams family, really glad to have you on board. Bring your lunchbox and your hard hat, opportunity awaits!
 

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I am ashamed at all of you criticizing this pickup. Be happy for the kid. be happy for the program.

Be grateful that's it's nearly Christmas and it's currently Hanukkah. Hug an kiss your loved ones.
 

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Anyone who consistently gets top 10 classes (ND is generally in this category) has the ability to contend for playoffs with regularity. ND can't point to recruiting talent for it's recent woes. ND will never have the recruiting success that a Bama or FSU enjoys today; it's just not in the cards.

Generally speaking, I think ND's problems are a combination of depth issues and plain bad luck.

If anything, ND should be focusing more on where we are recruiting and not the overall level of talent in each class. Pulling a solid prospect from Indiana should be viewed as a good thing on this board. This kid likely isn't a flake, is dying to be at ND, and may end up being a major contributor. I may be jaded based on recent recruiting horror stories, but I like that profile more than your typical Cali 4-star.
 

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So what are you saying? ND will be fine because we surround 3-star players with 3-star players? I just don't buy that that will work if we want to compete for the playoffs.

We're recruiting pretty good, not great. Definitely not elite. It is what it is and nobody's mad at the coaches or players for it. It's a direct result of winning 7/8 games. That has to improve and then the recruits will come.

What I am saying is that just because a player has three stars beside their name doesn't mean that they won't be a contributor at the college level. And if they can continue to develop they can become a difference maker. I agree that winning helps with recruiting, and having a team of five stars will probably beat a team loaded with three star players. But for some to dismiss Williams right now simply based on how he is ranked is premature. He could end up being that difference maker in the secondary one day.
 

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So what are you saying? ND will be fine because we surround 3-star players with 3-star players? I just don't buy that that will work if we want to compete for the playoffs.

We're recruiting pretty good, not great. Definitely not elite. It is what it is and nobody's mad at the coaches or players for it. It's a direct result of winning 7/8 games. That has to improve and then the recruits will come.

LOL, from the guy who said earlier he doesn't care about the star rankings.
 
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What I am saying is that just because a player has three stars beside their name doesn't mean that they won't be a contributor at the college level. And if they can continue to develop they can become a difference maker. I agree that winning helps with recruiting, and having a team of five stars will probably beat a team loaded with three star players. But for some to dismiss Williams right now simply based on how he is ranked is premature. He could end up being that difference maker in the secondary one day.

LOL, from the guy who said earlier he doesn't care about the star rankings.

Agree. I said all along my lack of excitment is based on his film. Watch it and tell us what you think if you have time.

As it pertains to Williams, I do not. I simply don't like his film. But when talking about recruiting classes in general, I will use star ratings as a guide. I don't have time to give you individual breakdown of everyone's film.

And with all of the 'be happy, kiss your wife' talk. I'm on Williams profile on a ND football site. This isn't the place to kiss my proverbial wife. This is the place to talk ND football and specifically Williams.
 

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That's good. Just personally, IDC what he's rated. Him and McKinney are about the same ratings, but McKinney showed way more on the film than Williams did. JMO.

I like to watch the film and see if something stands out. Didn't when I watched Williams.

This from the guy whose most famous line is, "I'm not a film evaluator". lol
 
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This from the guy whose most famous line is, "I'm not a film evaluator". lol

Been over that 100 times. None of us are film evaluators other than maybe TP. But it's not hard to recognize talent. Talent is apparent.
 

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Been over that 100 times. None of us are film evaluators other than maybe TP. But it's not hard to recognize talent. Talent is apparent.

...so you are implying that Williams is not talented?
 

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Been over that 100 times. None of us are film evaluators other than maybe TP. But it's not hard to recognize talent. Talent is apparent.

And if you don't see this kid's talent then stop evaluating film. You're obviously wasting your time.
 
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...so you are implying that Williams is not talented?

It's all relative. Talented compared to where we want ND to be, not talented enough IMO.

But you guys win. He's awesome. Difference maker. Steal, lol.
 

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I don't think anybody's bummed that he's a 3-star. McKinney, Kolin Hill, both 3-stars and I was excited to have him.

They're underwhelmed because they watched the film and came away unimpressed. That's OK, not every ND player has to be star-born.

And the 'bama has 3 stars' thing doesn't make sense to me. They have 3-stars that play, but are not asked to be difference makers. Their 4/5-star players are their difference makers, and the 3-stars are fill ins.

Our team is filled with 3 stars and we're going to have to ask some of them to be difference makers. That's not what Bama does. So in a class with solid 4/5 star guys, Williams would be a welcome addition. But IMO we're watered down because we don't have the elite base to begin with.

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Anyone who consistently gets top 10 classes (ND is generally in this category) has the ability to contend for playoffs with regularity. ND can't point to recruiting talent for it's recent woes. ND will never have the recruiting success that a Bama or FSU enjoys today; it's just not in the cards.

Generally speaking, I think ND's problems are a combination of depth issues and plain bad luck.

If anything, ND should be focusing more on where we are recruiting and not the overall level of talent in each class. Pulling a solid prospect from Indiana should be viewed as a good thing on this board. This kid likely isn't a flake, is dying to be at ND, and may end up being a major contributor. I may be jaded based on recent recruiting horror stories, but I like that profile more than your typical Cali 4-star.

Ara thrived on pulling in Indiana's best and Lou was pretty good at it as well. The talent level in Indiana has gone up considerably in the last 10 years. Never hurts to land the top 2-3 kids in state. Welcome aboard my fellow Warrior (I'm an alum)! lol
 

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It's all relative. Talented compared to where we want ND to be, not talented enough IMO.

But you guys win. He's awesome. Difference maker. Steal, lol.

You may be right, I will admit that I have no ability whatsoever to break down film.

I just think it's easy to see a kids rating on 247 and then watch his film with a bias because you go into it knowing that he isn't regarded as an "elite" prospect. It would be an interesting exercise to do a blind film review on this site of a 5-star, 4-star, and upper 3-star kid and see if all the film junkies can pick out which is which.
 

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If you're trying to compare Bama and Notre Dame....I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish nor what point you are trying to make.

No offense T-Town....but Notre Dame and Alabama recruit different types of kids. Notre Dame wouldnt get 50% of Bamas class pass admissions in South Bend.

So when you compare them schools keep that in mind. That is why a large majority of kids that are highly ranked in the top 50 are not offered by Notre Dame.

Sure, you want to matchup against the best...so i see that part of your arguement. But if you compare ND vs Bama/Auburn/etc then ND is going to lose everytime. Notre Dame does not have alumni or booster actively paying players. They do not have the ability to get 99.9% of kids into school. They do not pull scholarships if the kid isnt panning out.

You want Notre Dame to be special? You want that feeling you get of excitement everytime you walk on campus? That feeling and the special part of campus would be lost if ND started admitting anyone and everyone. That is why Notre Dame is Notre Dame bc its not for everyone.

And people are complaining on here about "ND shouldnt be taking kids like Williams".....

"Notre Dame and the lack of apparent recruiting talent" is ranked as the 7th best class on Rivals.

Get over yourself.


Oh. The schools that have restrictions on admissions and players....

#35 - Boston College
#43 - Duke
#46 - Stanford

But Notre Dame isnt recruiting well enough at the #8 class in the nation.

USC, Auburn, UCLA, South Carolina, Texas, Miami, LSU, Oklahoma, Oregon are all ranked behind Notre Dame, so their fans must be even more upset than you guys.
 

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welcome aboard mykelti!
 

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In fairness, there's two months left until signing day and offers like this this late in the game could be deemed questionable or a sign of other recruits heading elsewhere~~~reaching.

..or maybe the staff has always kept an eye on this kid and told him what he needs to do academically to improve and the motivation was we are not offering you until we see improved academics. Then they see improved academics and then offer.

I guess I just don't see the level of athleticism in Williams' tape as I did in all other offered safeties. I think Jennings blows him out of the water as an athlete. Williams has a good frame, I just question the speed (both actual and football) and athleticism. I hope if we land him he proves me wrong.

There's speed and then football speed. Football speed in terms of angles and correct positioning. Not always about north-south, straight line speed. I'm not comparing him to anybody but in terms of 'speed', I think Harrison Smith. No speed but his angles and positioning are terrific.

Haven't watched his film yet, but even if McKinney was 100% we'd still need 2 DBs unless people think guys on the current roster are switching to safety.

On next year's roster, you're currently staring at only Redfield and Shumate. There is literally no one else who is a true safety and healthy.

Baratti is likely done, Hardy by all accounts doesn't have the option to return, and Tranquill is going to be recovering from his torn ACL at least through spring and who knows when he'll truly be ready to contribute at 100% in the fall. So you have two guys.

You can move Farley back into that role. That gives you 3. You can also potentially move Devin Butler back there but that'd give you a hole at CB, which will give you 4. Outside of those guys, you have to find a WR... Prosise isn't moving again, none of the '13 recruits fit the bill, and the only '14 recruit that does is Brent but I'm doubtful that will happen.

You need at least 6 scholarship safeties on the roster. So do the math... there are some fuzzy numbers with Farley and Tranquill but bottom line is that considering Fertitta is likely more suited for Farley's role this year than being a full time safety and McKinney is wishy-washy you need two guys right now that can play DB.

The last few ISD Intel's have said the staff has wanted to add at least two more safeties so this makes sense. People yell at BK for not having depth so BK gets a quality depth player then people are upset its not a 4-5 star depth player. Can't win.

You have GOT to be kidding me. Where did you read this, the Indy Star?

Indiana HS football is pathetic. The fact that ND is considering this guy just shows how desperate ND has gotten. This guy will never be more than a practice squad player and if he does become more than that, God help us because that means ND is playing MAC football quality.

Watching ND recruiting is becoming more and more disappointing to say the least.

So you can predict the future, you got the lottery numbers all set?

Starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel aren't we?

People talk about competing with the SEC and wanting ND to be competitive in the national landscape. When you talk about losing games to Northwestern and Louisville, think of it because of recruiting like this.

Signing these kids shows how far ND is from being a major player in the real world of college football. Kid would never see the field at a majority of SEC schools.

Ever think that maybe your expectations are simply unrealistic for this day and age? A lot of these star kids that you so desperately want generally don't leave their area and when they do, they pick a school that's easy on academics and is warm..neither of which ND is.

Off base how? You think you can take that line up and play it in the SEC? Hate to break it to you, but if you want to see a championship, you are going to have to go through that conference.

You can't sit there and bitch about losing to Northwestern or Louisville when your talent level is on par with them. You can't also be surprised when you lose to ASU and USC when they are so much better equipped. I don't know how these are off base.

Difference between talent level and having quality depth..something ND lacked. Austin Larkin got real game time reps this past season and they played a future LB (Tranquill) at safety. Also had a true freshman, who wasn't an EE (I could be wrong on that), START at MLB in a pro-style defense. Then had the 3rd stringer, who is also a true freshman, come in and get meaningful reps.

You just don't see that at schools in the SEC for obvious reasons.

I don't think anybody's mad, or mad at the kid.

It's the fact that we need this committment that is troubling. We started early with a lot of 3-star players, and our excuse was 'go after the big dogs later'. But the 'signing' of 3 star players hasn't stopped.

It's not the kid's fault, it's not all the staff's fault, it's 7-5's fault. Can't have this happen IMO.

Roll players are great and every team can use some. But a team of roll players gets you rolled.

Again, I wouldn't say troubling. BK is adding depth. Not every commit is gonna be a future All-American and that includes schools from the SEC. Too early to be calling ND a team of role players when a shit ton of true and RS freshman got plenty of burn. People aren't patient enough to allow proper development. If we have another season like this last one, then you are on to something but if you (general you) are willing to call 2012 a fluke year then you must be fair and call this year a fluke as well.

Patient my young friend. Don't be so quick to judgment.

This is a great, quality pickup.
 

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If you're trying to compare Bama and Notre Dame....I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish nor what point you are trying to make.

No offense T-Town....but Notre Dame and Alabama recruit different types of kids. Notre Dame wouldnt get 50% of Bamas class pass admissions in South Bend.So when you compare them schools keep that in mind. That is why a large majority of kids that are highly ranked in the top 50 are not offered by Notre Dame.

Sure, you want to matchup against the best...so i see that part of your arguement. But if you compare ND vs Bama/Auburn/etc then ND is going to lose everytime. Notre Dame does not have alumni or booster actively paying players. They do not have the ability to get 99.9% of kids into school. They do not pull scholarships if the kid isnt panning out.

You want Notre Dame to be special? You want that feeling you get of excitement everytime you walk on campus? That feeling and the special part of campus would be lost if ND started admitting anyone and everyone. That is why Notre Dame is Notre Dame bc its not for everyone.

And people are complaining on here about "ND shouldnt be taking kids like Williams".....

"Notre Dame and the lack of apparent recruiting talent" is ranked as the 7th best class on Rivals.

Get over yourself.


Oh. The schools that have restrictions on admissions and players....

#35 - Boston College
#43 - Duke
#46 - Stanford

But Notre Dame isnt recruiting well enough at the #8 class in the nation.

USC, Auburn, UCLA, South Carolina, Texas, Miami, LSU, Oklahoma, Oregon are all ranked behind Notre Dame, so their fans must be even more upset than you guys.

I disagree on the bolded part. Whether a three star can pass admissions or not is not relevant to what I posted. A smart kid can be a three star just as easy as an average kid can be. Plus, ND does let some players in that score average on the test scores. How many isn't known, but they do have some that scored at or below what the average Bama player scored. And contrary to popular belief on this board, Bama does have many players that are very strong academically. And Saban does not get enough credit for what he has done regarding academics since he has been there.

My point was simply that I didn't understand the negativity toward the commit. Just because he is a three star doesn't mean he won't develop into a good player. I posted out some three star Bama players that ended up being more than fill ins. The same could play out for Williams and I hope he ends up being an AA while at ND.
 

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Congrats Mr. Williams on your ND commitment!!

Let the other B.S. rest and lets be happy we got a commit.
 

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I disagree on the bolded part. Whether a three star can pass admissions or not is not relevant to what I posted. A smart kid can be a three star just as easy as an average kid can be. Plus, ND does let some players in that score average on the test scores. How many isn't known, but they do have some that scored at or below what the average Bama player scored. And contrary to popular belief on this board, Bama does have many players that are very strong academically. And Saban does not get enough credit for what he has done regarding academics since he has been there.

My point was simply that I didn't understand the negativity toward the commit. Just because he is a three star doesn't mean he won't develop into a good player. I posted out some three star Bama players that ended up being more than fill ins. The same could play out for Williams and I hope he ends up being an AA while at ND.


It wasnt a shot at you. I didnt even read anything you said. I just knew you were the only Bama fan on here and youre a respectable poster.
 

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TOM LEMMING'S TAKE

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>4* FS Mykelti Williams of Indy-Warren Central and the states'6A Player of the year has just committed to ND. Great range and instincts.</p>— Tom Lemming (@LemmingReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/LemmingReport/status/546051702353575936">December 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Finally a safety. Who cares about 3 stars. This guy hits like a truck and has potential. Plays physical downhill and has closing speed. He does need to polish his backpedaling and there is not much film on him in coverage. We need safeties that can tackle more than anything and he fits the bill.

Good pick up.
 

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Definitely disappointed in the reaction to this commitment. Honest assessment of the player is a welcome input. Downright disrespect or misplaced anger towards Mykelti isn't. For those that think this is Kelly reaching, I'd say Hugh Freeze who is regarded as one of the best recruiters in the nation wanted him at Ole Miss but I assume those with the ridiculous comments didnt know that. I bet they also don't know that Ole Miss put one of the best D's in the country on the field this year (13.8 pts/game).

Is Mykelti a 5 star, immediate impact player, doesn't seem so. What he is, a solid 4 star prospect from a very good program that coaches quality players. He'll be a guy that contributes to this team during his time at ND and he's is a perfect profile for for ND. Welcome aboard Mykelti, I look forward to cheering for you in the future.
 
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