Rioting in St Louis

[SaltyND24]

It's been a mixed bag for me. When I was a kid growing up in Kern County my family was exposed to some of the worst kind of police behavior. My dad was a labor organizer and he was arrested more times than I can count during peacefull protests and while on picket lines. Beat downs with mag flash lights and night sticks were standard practice and one of his fellow organizers was beat to death by the Sherrifs department. Anyhow, I still get nervous any time a cop car gets behind me even though I've never been arrested and it's been like 10 years since I've had a speeding ticket. I immediately go through a mental check list regarding insurance, tags, tail lights, wallet.

Kern County??? where?

 

[BobD]

Congratulations to the looters and vandals, you've just pretty much insured that nothing will change for the better.

 

[Irish Insanity]

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What a complete fucking idiot

 

[Bluto]

every time I see this kind of looting, I can't get my head around it. I get rolling cop cars, or being angry at cops...I resent the hell out of it, but on some level logic holds up.

Please tell me how you get from that to wrecking some un-involved dude's business, who may well also be black and as outraged about things?

The historic background of oppression is the context and sets the stage for the event. The event is the match. Once that match is lit things start rolling, a mob mentality takes over and chaos ensues. Pretty basic social theory.

 

[Bluto]

Kern County??? where?

Grew up in La Paz and Tehachapi. My dad worked all over the Central Valley. Bakersfield, Arvin, Lamont, Delano, Shafter, Wasco....

 

[tussin]

This is crazy.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Watching CNN is like watching the local new in 1999 when MSU lost to Duke in the final four.

 

[magogian]

Here are some interesting statistics:

About 12% of cops are black, and they commit about 10% of the fatal police shootings. Of those killed by black officers, about 78% were black.

White officers are about 77% of officers but only commit about 68% of the killings of persons of color. Those people of color represented 46 percent of all those killed by white officers.

The statistics aren't out of whack as you would think if there were systematic racist killings by white officers of black victims. (I realize the stats don't match up cleanly. The sources I could find don't provide apples to apples comparisons.)

Like Ferguson, area police departments lack racial diversity | The Kansas City Star

Deadly Force, in Black and White - ProPublica

The value of workplace diversity in police / law enforcement - Discover Policing

 

[peoriairish]

If something happens in St Louis I'd bet that it has to do with the Klan showing up.

Is all this burning and looting cause the Klan is on the streets?

Sleeping with my gun under my pillow tonight.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Is all this burning and looting cause the Klan is on the streets?

Sleeping with my gun under my pillow tonight.

I have a few good friends from high school that just moved down to St. Louis this last summer. Stay safe.

 

[phgreek]

The historic background of oppression is the context and sets the stage for the event. The event is the match. Once that match is lit things start rolling, a mob mentality takes over and chaos ensues. Pretty basic social theory.

I get the social theory insomuch as it leads to rolling cop cars...

but it takes a person in the mob to roll on the liquor store...and yea of course folks will follow...but how do you get to be THAT dude...why

 

[Bluto]

I get the social theory insomuch as it leads to rolling cop cars...

but it takes a person in the mob to roll on the liquor store...and yea of course folks will follow...but how do you get to be THAT dude...why

Beats me? There are opportunistic a holes in all walks of life and or communities. Must say I saw that happen in College a couple times. Drunk dumb asses looting liquor stores during the homecoming week was par for the course.

 

[Irishman77]

My financial firm is in creve coeur about 30 minutes from this.

 

[blueNDgold44]

Anyone have a good police scanner link?

 

[Wild Bill]

Anyone have a good police scanner link?

app called scanner radio. It's decent.

 

[phgreek]

Beats me? There are opportunistic a holes in all walks of life and or communities. Must say I saw that happen in College a couple times. Drunk dumb asses looting liquor stores during the homecoming week was par for the course.

I get drunk college A-hole looting the liquor store...he has no cause but getting drunk...well more drunk.

So is the theory here that anytime mayhem breaks out, the liquor store is always in jeopardy?

There has to be a reason looting is part of these deals other than shit happens. I give these guys more credit than being drunken A-holes...just trying to understand what they think general looting does...intimidation, revenge...its too common in these deals for there not to be a message being sent...

 

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[IrishinSyria]

If you have to ask...

 

[Bluto]

I get drunk college A-hole looting the liquor store...he has no cause but getting drunk...well more drunk.

So is the theory here that anytime mayhem breaks out, the liquor store is always in jeopardy?

There has to be a reason looting is part of these deals other than shit happens. I give these guys more credit than being drunken A-holes...just trying to understand what they think general looting does...intimidation, revenge...its too common in these deals for there not to be a message being sent...

It's more like FTW, might be dead tomorrow might as well get what I can, when I can

 

[Irishbounty28]

It is hard for me to watch this on television because you never get an unbiased viewpoint, and everything is slanted in a certain direction to support an agenda.

I try hard to be unbiased in situations like this, especially if I couldn't possibly understand the rationale behind it. I definitely do not support rioting and destroying public property for any reason whatsoever, and it shouldn't be condoned by anyone imo.

With that being said, I am not going to demonize any individual for taking part in this kind of activity not knowing their emotional state. I say this because I have seen it first hand being deployed in Iraq with a unit of grunts. Everyday we were deployed and dealing with brothers being killed or injured and being sent home by the enemy, the more and more the lines became skewed between who was good and bad. Some would feel as though we were being targeted by everyone and could not trust anyone, and were even told as much by senior officials on many occasions. As time progressed, you would may see some individuals destroying or even desecrating someones property. Many didn't feel this was a wrong behavior because they were most likely the enemy, when in all actuality they probably weren't. What I am saying is that sometimes emotional distress and feeling as though there is no where to turn may cause individuals to lash out in ways that would seem irrational. That is precisely because it is, but in the individuals mind it seems rational because of the circumstances.

I am not saying that any of this makes what is happening with riots, and destroying property right. I am simply stating that I am not going to demonize anyone not knowing the circumstances.

 

[phgreek]

It's more like FTW, might be dead tomorrow might as well get what I can, when I can

...so its an angry YOLO. Kidding. So the helplessness is repaired how...notice I didn't say anger, because anger is good...its pride, and an expectation...

 

[phgreek]

If you have to ask...

I've never seen this before ... Am I racist?

 

[peoriairish]

Police officer shot in U City. U city is a real nice area in the city a few miles south of Ferguson. Sounds of automatic gunfire in Ferguson. This is really productive. If anything, it's propagating race tension and racial based hate.

My wife works at the major hospital downtown (Barnes Jewish) and put her 2 weeks in for a new job out in the county last week. I'm tempted to make her take a sick day tomorrow. This is unreal.

I can't believe Title hasn't been banned. He's clearly just baiting everyone and spitting rhetoric. I mean, he changed his name just to proved us. Unreal.

 

[peoriairish]

I also have about 10 friends that live in the area around Tower Grove Park, where the protesters were blocking the highway and the 'Shaw' neighborhood. A few of them work in Clayton where the grand jury was. They were all told work was closed indefinitely. They're fucking actuaries. This is so abhorrent and angering. Luckily, I work 20 miles SE of the city in IL. Unluckily, it's in a racist small town so I get to hear all about this from real racists, not Title's racists, in the morning.

 

[peoriairish]

There are also a number of massive fires along W. Florissant Ave that the FD can't get to because the area is deemed unsafe. They were battling one at a storage unit but were sent off, leaving their hoses in the street, because of gunfire in the area.

I don't know if y'all are getting this info from the national news. Sorry if it's out there and I'm being redundant.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I've never seen this before ... Am I racist?

Did you tweet any of those tweets or say anything similar to what's in those tweets?

 

[BGIF]

Watching CNN I just Sarah Sidner get whacked on the top of the head with a thrown rock while she was reporting. She had a cameraman and crew around as she was reporting live. Her knees buckled, she paused momentarily then continue her report in front of the burning O'Reilly Auto Parts. I saw the rock enter the screen and hit her..

The anchor interrupted her and told her to leave the scene. She said she's been hit with worse and would carry on. He again interrupted and more sternly told her to leave, "I can rocks flying past you on the scree." She replied, "Yeah they're across the street." The anchor was visibly concerned for her safety and said, "Get out of there" then he cut to a different reporter.

 

[phgreek]

Did you tweet any of those tweets or say anything similar to what's in those tweets?

If I dignify that question with an answer, am I a racist?

BTW...I couldn't...don't do twitter...HOWEVER if I try to convince you I wouldn't have anyway, am I racist?


Dude...seriously

I was actually messing around...joke...levity...jocularity...

If I actually thought that way (like those on your link)...I'd say it here. I don't.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If I dignify that question with an answer, am I a racist?

BTW...I couldn't...don't do twitter...HOWEVER if I try to convince you I wouldn't have anyway, am I racist?


Dude...seriously

I was actually messing around...joke...levity...jocularity...

If I actually thought that way (like those on your link)...I'd say it here. I don't.

I have no idea what you or others have said in this thread, and I definitely don't know what anyone has said on twitter. I wasn't responding to any specific post with that link, just thought it was funny. Not sure why you thought I was calling you out.

 

[phgreek]

I have no idea what you or others have said in this thread, and I definitely don't know what anyone has said on twitter. I wasn't responding to any specific post with that link, just thought it was funny. Not sure why you thought I was calling you out.

I thought it was funny too...in a sick kind of way. I was screwing around...I didn't think you were calling me out...just making a play on "you are racist if"...