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Decision Reached

Decision Reached

Networks (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) report grand jury has made a decision.

Brown family attorney says it will be released after 6 pm

 

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MSNBC expects decision in next few hours. They report Florrisant is quiet at this time.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Darren Wilson's wife's family has come up on KKK lists that Anonymous has doxxed.

 

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MSNBC just read commication fom D.A. "grand Jury has reached decision, details to follow."

MSNBC reports Unified Command (police agencies) have activated their command center.

 

[GDomer09]

Darren Wilson's wife's family has come up on KKK lists that Anonymous has doxxed.

1st-
Is "Anonymous" now a reliable source I'm unfamiliar with?

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Even if this is true, let me put what you're saying in a different way. Somone on Darren's recently wedded wife's family comes up on some unidentified KKK list. -Anonymous.

LOL!! So a distant family member of your new wife comes up on a hate group list therefore you yourself are part of a hate group???? Gotcha!

We all want to know what happened and for the right decision to be made based on the evidence and facts.

 

[calvegas04]

Just think if it was a black cop who shot him we would never had heard of Michael brown

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Well his wife is a police officer so it shows the Klan influences on cops, which we've also seen from the doxxings.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Just think if it was a black cop who shot him we would never had heard of Michael brown

That's not true. There were protests before we knew Wilson, and in one of the many shootings recently there was a black cop involved.

And this is ignoring the fact that race has a huge influence on Ferguson.

 

[ND NYC]

odd that pretty much all media outlets are covering this grand jury decision to indict or not indict as if its a full blown jury trial verdict forthcoming.
drudge headline: "verdict is in!"
cnn: "jury decides, announcement soon"

of course there will be an indictment...to me the charge itself is what really matters,

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

There will certainly not be an indictment because of how the case was handled. It was treated like a trial when they presented all evidence.

Cops rarely get indicted regardless of what happened. Nothing is happening to the cops who murdered John Crawford and Darrien Hunt.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I also doubt they presented the fact that they lied about how far away Brown was from Wilson's car, which would be huge in a trial.

 

[kmoose]

There will certainly not be an indictment because of how the case was handled. It was treated like a trial when they presented all evidence.

Cops rarely get indicted regardless of what happened. Nothing is happening to the cops who murdered John Crawford and Darrien Hunt.

And OJ got away with murder............... twice. That f'in racist American Justice System!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah money helps a lot.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I also doubt they presented the fact that they lied about how far away Brown was from Wilson's car, which would be huge in a trial.

The forensic evidence actually supported what the officer claimed as to how far Brown was or was not from the police car. The evidence also supported the officer's story of the events... so I don't believe that is really an issue here. For all the "eye witnesses" that stated such and such in defense of Brown, there are as many who testified in the grand jury proceedings that supported the officer's story of events. And many of those witnesses are fearful for their lives right now as their testimony does not jive with what some people want.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

And there is probable cause with everything so it should be going to trial. This shouldn't be decided by a grand jury because that's not the job of a grand jury. The only ballistics/forensics thing I've heard was where he was shot on his body and the gunshot being fired from inside of the car, which doesn't really go against what anything has said.

 

[kmoose]

Yeah money helps a lot.

Racists don't care how much money black people have. So which is it? Is the system biased against race, or against socio-economic status?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If Darrien Hunt's murder will go without a trial, if John Crawford's murder will go without a trial, if all of these things result in no justice, there's no reason to assume that this was ever going to trial. When they disrespected the body by leaving it in the street on a hot August day for 4 and a half hours, that shows what the cops thought of Brown and the people of Canfield and Ferguson.

And with a corrupt prosecuter like Bob McCullough.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Racists don't care how much money black people have. So which is it? Is the system biased against race, or against socio-economic status?

I have never said the first thing before. It is biased against both, but money trumps race. Money trumps everything.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The forensics said nothing about how far away he was, as the examiner said here.

What the forensic evidence says about Michael Brown’s death | PBS NewsHour

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If Wilson didn't chase him like he said, then Brown was shot from around 130 feet away.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

And there is probable cause with everything so it should be going to trial. This shouldn't be decided by a grand jury because that's not the job of a grand jury. The only ballistics/forensics thing I've heard was where he was shot on his body and the gunshot being fired from inside of the car, which doesn't really go against what anything has said.

Yes, it actually is the exact role of the grand jury. The grand jury is used to determine if there is enough evidence to proceed to file an indictment and proceed to trial. It is widely used in criminal prosecutions.

Probable cause has to do with search and siezure, not trial. Just because there is probable cause to investigate a crime, does not always mean something will proceed to trial.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Not probable cause to investigate, probable cause that there was a crime.

The grand jury, on the other hand, does not
determine guilt or innocence, but only whether
there is probable cause to believe that a crime was
committed and that a specific person or persons
committed it

https://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/jury/docs/federalgrand.pdf

The grand jury does not determine guilt or innocence. With how Darren Wilson has significantly changed his story as time went on, with 6 witnesses saying the same thing about Wilson and supporting that Brown was murdered, and the lack of evidence that goes against those witnesses and lack of evidence that backs Wilson, this would go to trial if everything was fair.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

In the end a lot is riding on the prosecutor to suggest charges and present evidence, but McCullough didn't want there to be any chance this went to trial.

 

[kmoose]

Not probable cause to investigate, probable cause that there was a crime.



https://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/jury/docs/federalgrand.pdf

The grand jury does not determine guilt or innocence. With how Darren Wilson has significantly changed his story as time went on, with 6 witnesses saying the same thing about Wilson and supporting that Brown was murdered, and the lack of evidence that goes against those witnesses and lack of evidence that backs Wilson, this would go to trial if everything was fair.

How did Wilson change his story?

 

[Woneone]

Not probable cause to investigate, probable cause that there was a crime.



https://www.mdd.uscourts.gov/jury/docs/federalgrand.pdf

The grand jury does not determine guilt or innocence. With how Darren Wilson has significantly changed his story as time went on, with 6 witnesses saying the same thing about Wilson and supporting that Brown was murdered, and the lack of evidence that goes against those witnesses and lack of evidence that backs Wilson, this would go to trial if everything was fair.

Quit the act. You don't care about fair in this case. You care about retribution.

I haven't seen one suggestion from you about how to change race relations in this country, especially with regards to blacks and the police. Quite the opposite. You cite your narrative, and no amount of discussion to the contrary will convince you otherwise.

What happens if tomorrow, a tape is released of Micheal Brown bull rushing Wilson? Do you care? Probably not. You'll go right back to your script. You'll complain. You're talk about how whitey be bad. And you'll go on to the next cause, without so much as a suggestion for change.

Believe it or not, speaking as a 30'ish white guy, most whites aren't members of the KKK. We don't hate blacks. We don't care actually. What we hate is the continued vilification.

The black community has no leaders. It doesn't, at least not any that get listened to outside the "white" media. It has no true voice to speak to race relations in a manner everyone can work with. It seems to me it has no sense of accountability (we watched Micheal Brown strong arm a store clerk minutes before his death, yet that's apparently not supposed to be used as a factor in evaluating character, yet Wilson's video of first amendment rights went viral). Only vindication, which is a dangerous path.

Get off your stick. A young man got gunned down. The officer may have been within his rights. If we want him to get a fair trial/grand jury, that doesn't make us racist, or make us hate blacks, or whatever. Quite the opposite. I also believe that even the dead deserve justice, and if the cop killed him in cold blood, he should fry.

But maybe you should start preaching solutions instead of looking for scapegoats.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Well he added that he knew about the robbery, something that wasn't mentioned earlier even though it was important. He added that he got his face beat in, which is of course a lie as pictures from the day of the shooting would say. He said he fired all of his shots while Brown was "charging" at him, even though audio shows he fired 11 shots with a pause. He also added that he put his car into reverse when confronting Johnson and Brown.

 

[T Town Tommy]

How did Wilson change his story?

He hasn't. And the story of the main witness that was there with Brown has been discredited several times by other eye witnesses and forensic evidence. The bottom line is this:

There are those that believe Brown was killed by a cop and no matter what evidence is presented they will not be convinced. Period.

There are those that believe Wilson acted within his right as a law enforcement officer. And they won't be swayed one way or the other.

That leaves the facts of the case. And it appears the facts of the case, along with forensic evidence, shows that Wilson acted accordingly. Or at least what we as the public know. And that is why it is important to take what the grand jury decides and proceed. If they do not find credible evidence to support a trial, then they should rule that way. If they do find enough evidence to bring changes, then they should.

We all have a right to peacefully protest, be disappointed either way, but what we don't have is the right to go out and protest in the manner in which we have seen in Ferguson in the recent past. Furthermore, those outsiders protesting the loudest will be long gone in two or three weeks and don't really give a damn about any issue in Ferguson. They simply want to continue to stir the racial divide to meet their agenda. And they are as guilty as anyone in this whole ordeal. And the losers... the Ferguson people who have to deal with the race traders and their "agenda."

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Quit the act. You don't care about fair in this case. You care about retribution.

I haven't seen one suggestion from you about how to change race relations in this country, especially with regards to blacks and the police. Quite the opposite. You cite your narrative, and no amount of discussion to the contrary will convince you otherwise.

What happens if tomorrow, a tape is released of Micheal Brown bull rushing Wilson? Do you care? Probably not. You'll go right back to your script. You'll complain. You're talk about how whitey be bad. And you'll go on to the next cause, without so much as a suggestion for change.

Believe it or not, speaking as a 30'ish white guy, most whites aren't members of the KKK. We don't hate blacks. We don't care actually. What we hate is the continued vilification.

The black community has no leaders. It doesn't, at least not any that get listened to outside the "white" media. It has no true voice to speak to race relations in a manner everyone can work with. It seems to me it has no sense of accountability (we watched Micheal Brown strong arm a store clerk minutes before his death, yet that's apparently not supposed to be used as a factor in evaluating character, yet Wilson's video of first amendment rights went viral). Only vindication, which is a dangerous path.

Get off your stick. A young man got gunned down. The officer may have been within his rights. If we want him to get a fair trial/grand jury, that doesn't make us racist, or make us hate blacks, or whatever. Quite the opposite. I also believe that even the dead deserve justice, and if the cop killed him in cold blood, he should fry.

But maybe you should start preaching solutions instead of looking for scapegoats.

What solutions? What is with your strawman arguments about black community leaders? There is no king of the black people, like people think Sharpton is. There are many solutions being posted. Just because people ignore them doesn't mean it's not happening. Body cams on cops, more money for education, better after-school programs for innercity kids, getting rid of the ridiculous War on Drugs. All of these are solutions.

The solution is also on the cops to stop shooting black people in the back, like Darrien Hunt. To not immediately fire regardless of the situation like they did with John Crawford.

Also suggesting I said all white people are in the Klan is some weird shit and trolling.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

He hasn't. And the story of the main witness that was there with Brown has been discredited several times by other eye witnesses and forensic evidence. The bottom line is this:

There are those that believe Brown was killed by a cop and no matter what evidence is presented they will not be convinced. Period.

There are those that believe Wilson acted within his right as a law enforcement officer. And they won't be swayed one way or the other.

That leaves the facts of the case. And it appears the facts of the case, along with forensic evidence, shows that Wilson acted accordingly. Or at least what we as the public know. And that is why it is important to take what the grand jury decides and proceed. If they do not find credible evidence to support a trial, then they should rule that way. If they do find enough evidence to bring changes, then they should.

We all have a right to peacefully protest, be disappointed either way, but what we don't have is the right to go out and protest in the manner in which we have seen in Ferguson in the recent past.

Cite those forensics, because you are wrong. Forensics only prove where he was shot and the shot in the car, which change nothing. Nothing has been disputing by the Crenshaw and Johnson witness testimonies.

There have been over 100 days of peaceful protesting in Ferguson. Since you probably have not been paying attention to the protests, they have been happening every day since the shooting. One day of looting, over 100 days of peaceful protesting.

 

[kmoose]

Well he added that he knew about the robbery, something that wasn't mentioned earlier even though it was important. He added that he got his face beat in, which is of course a lie as pictures from the day of the shooting would say. He said he fired all of his shots while Brown was "charging" at him, even though audio shows he fired 11 shots with a pause. He also added that he put his car into reverse when confronting Johnson and Brown.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, I am just questioning if you are conflating varying news reports, and directly attributing those differences to Wilson's own words. As far as I am aware, investigators and those on the grand jury are the only people who know exactly what Wilson's official statement was and/or is.