Kelly NFL Rumors

[Spitfire]

You might take any one of those guys, NONE of those guys are coming to ND. ND does not sell itself, except for the rare gifted athlete who also has his eyes on the academic prize and not the NFL. The talent Weis brought in? Right, all on offense. ND had to score 35 points a game to offset the 32 it gave up. News Flash, ND was in the national championship picture 2 years ago. Reality check, unless the administration really wants to get down and dirty and find the next small school football genius (which it won't because it thinks like you do that Unlce Urbz is waiting for his turn at ND) then Kelly is your best bet.

I look forward to watching Michigan totally fudge another coaching hire, unless they pull up the Brinks truck to Harbaughs door and drop an $8mill payday on him. (Which they might just do because they are that desperate)

So the general sentiment seems to be that there is too much shit involved with coaching this program to think any upper echelon coach would have anything to do with it? Basically we are stuck with Kelly for better or for worse going forward because nobody else is coming?

I don't know if I fully buy into that even with the understanding of the academic restrictions the administration puts on the program. It's still one of the elite programs in the country, it's still one of the top paid positions in the country, and it's a school that can sell itself on more then just athletics. Any coach is going to be galvanized for eternity if they can bring a national championship back to this historic place. I believe there would certainly be interest in this position by more then most think.

 

[Spitfire]

I don't really think any of those guys - except maybe the Wisconsin coach - would ever actually wind up at Notre Dame, for various reasons (I love D'Antonio but can you imagine him putting up with the media demands?).
More trying to illustrate the point that that's the sort of coach we'd get, at best: A veteran head with some success at a "smaller" program who's used to dealing with structural limitations of one kind or another. Not Meyer. Not Saban. Not John fucking Gruden. And none of them really seem like much of an upgrade.

What's with all the general animosity towards Gruden? He's a Super Bowl winning coach that finally got the job done in Tampa Bay, who prior to that took a POS Raiders franchise and turned them into winners. Hell, they haven't won since he left!!

His dad coached at ND so there are some ties there, and you don't think he would clean house in recruiting? High school kid's would be beating down the door to play for this guy!! I would certainly be excited to see what he could do here.

 

[IrishinSyria]

So the general sentiment seems to be that there is too much shit involved with coaching this program to think any upper echelon coach would have anything to do with it? Basically we are stuck with Kelly for better or for worse going forward because nobody else is coming?

I don't know if I fully buy into that even with the understanding of the academic restrictions the administration puts on the program. It's still one of the elite programs in the country, it's still one of the top paid positions in the country, and it's a school that can sell itself on more then just athletics. Any coach is going to be galvanized for eternity if they can bring a national championship back to this historic place. I believe there would certainly be interest in this position by more then most think.

How many coaches in the country are objectively better than Kelly? 5? Stoops, Meyer, Saban and ....?

We're not getting one of those three. After that, you're talking about a massive disruption for very uncertain returns. It's not happening. I mean, if the team regresses in 2015, then it becomes more likely, but it's not going to be a sure thing.

 

[MNIrishman]

What's with all the general animosity towards Gruden? He's a Super Bowl winning coach that finally got the job done in Tampa Bay, who prior to that took a POS Raiders franchise and turned them into winners. Hell, they haven't won since he left!!

His dad coached at ND so there are some ties there, and you don't think he would clean house in recruiting? High school kid's would be beating down the door to play for this guy!! I would certainly be excited to see what he could do here.

Nothing wrong with Gruden but I think most people believe we're more likely to convince Bear Bryant's ghost, the zombie of Woody Hayes, or Big Foot to come here than Gruden. He just doesn't seem interested in returning to coaching.

 

[Spitfire]

How many coaches in the country are objectively better than Kelly? 5? Stoops, Meyer, Saban and ....?

We're not getting one of those three. After that, you're talking about a massive disruption for very uncertain returns. It's not happening. I mean, if the team regresses in 2015, then it becomes more likely, but it's not going to be a sure thing.

It's all subjective. I think Kelly is a good coach, but am far from sold on him as one of the top guys in college football. I would personally put above him outside of those mentioned; David Shaw, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Gus Mahlzan, Kevin Sumlin, Les Miles, and probably even Mark Helfrich.

I do agree though that there is no way he is getting fired no matter how the rest of this season plays out. He should at least get next year when all the stars should finally be aligned for him after all these "growing pain" years. No more excuses next year. He get's "his guy" at QB, everyone returning, at least 3 starters back from suspension, himself calling plays, a year under Van Gorter, and an easier schedule to boot. If the wheels fall off next year he needs to be gone and I don't care that we may take a "swing and a miss" on the next hire. Settling on mediocrity should not be the goal of this program and I don't think it ever has been.

 

[JughedJones]

^^ Amen.

I can't believe we're discussing this, but you're right on all counts.

Next year, we better be something special.. or I'll be the first one to call for his head.

I love the guy, but there are no excuses next season.

 

[Calabrese's People]

This season:

 

[IrishinSyria]

It's all subjective. I think Kelly is a good coach, but am far from sold on him as one of the top guys in college football. I would personally put above him outside of those mentioned; David Shaw, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Gus Mahlzan, Kevin Sumlin, Les Miles, and probably even Mark Helfrich.

I do agree though that there is no way he is getting fired no matter how the rest of this season plays out. He should at least get next year when all the stars should finally be aligned for him after all these "growing pain" years. No more excuses next year. He get's "his guy" at QB, everyone returning, at least 3 starters back from suspension, himself calling plays, a year under Van Gorter, and an easier schedule to boot. If the wheels fall off next year he needs to be gone and I don't care that we may take a "swing and a miss" on the next hire. Settling on mediocrity should not be the goal of this program and I don't think it ever has been.

Like you said, it's all subjective, but I think the list of guys you just put up shows how little room for improvement is really there.

David Shaw: Really? Think ND's having a bad season? Look at Stanford. He rode Harbaugh's coat tails for a while, but the program is very much on track to return to mediocrity under him. 11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 5-5. Downward trend. You might think he's a better coach than Kelly, but there's no way you'd sell the fan base on him right now.

Jimbo Fisher: Absolute non-starter. Jimbo's values and Notre Dame's do not align. Also, there's no way he'd leave FSU for ND.

Kevin Sumlin: Has had two seasons as a head coach with fewer than 4 losses (2011, Houston 12-1/2012, A&M 11-2). Team is trending down in a serious way. Body of work is definitely not better than Kelly's.

Gus Malzahn: He's had 2 complete seasons as a head coach. Reputation benefited a ton from a)Tuberville's players and b)incredible luck last year. We have no idea if he can build and manage a program, recruit players, etc... might as well still be a coordinator for all his body of work says about him.

Les Miles: Not leaving LSU for ND under any circumstances. Not an objectively better coach than Kelly (think Kelly has problems with clock management...watch LSU.)

Gary Patterson: Probably could make the best case for him out of your entire list. However, he's given no indication that he's interested in leaving TCU. He'll have a statue there when he's done.

Helfrich: Still running Chip Kelly's program. Let's see where Oregon's at in a few years. Also, no chance at stealing away Oregon's HC (Nike $$$).

 

[irishff1014]

It's all subjective. I think Kelly is a good coach, but am far from sold on him as one of the top guys in college football. I would personally put above him outside of those mentioned; David Shaw, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Gus Mahlzan, Kevin Sumlin, Les Miles, and probably even Mark Helfrich.

I do agree though that there is no way he is getting fired no matter how the rest of this season plays out. He should at least get next year when all the stars should finally be aligned for him after all these "growing pain" years. No more excuses next year. He get's "his guy" at QB, everyone returning, at least 3 starters back from suspension, himself calling plays, a year under Van Gorter, and an easier schedule to boot. If the wheels fall off next year he needs to be gone and I don't care that we may take a "swing and a miss" on the next hire. Settling on mediocrity should not be the goal of this program and I don't think it ever has been.

Huh Did i read that right? Your are dreaming neither of them are a better coach then Kelly.

 

[irishff1014]

I will say though IF Kelly leaves on his own the Football program at ND might be in trouble. He has done a good job recruiting and coaching for the most part. Yes there have been some off the field issues in his years here which some he couldn't control. If he leaves does that mean this job is to hard for anyone else to come into?

What other big time coach would want to coach in this weather? What other wants the stress of big the ND coach that get a lot of attention? What coach wants to fight admissions about which players to recruit?

I think its safe to say ND needs Kelly more then Kelly needs ND. He just needs to get some more talented players on the D-line. Just like the players Kelly has the mental errors during the game he needs to fix. Some times it's like he over thinks his play calling.

 

[dshans]

What are your thoughts on Struwwelpeter?

Can't see the pic. That little blue square with the question mark is all I get.

But ... I never met a Struwwelpeter I didn't like.





Sure, now the pic shows ...

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Lol that would be awkward for Anzalone

 

[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I hate hearing this. The more we hear of this the worse it gets.

 

[koonja]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Always thought Florida had a shot at him. I can't read the article, but if he's truly not interested, I hope he makes that clear sooner rather than later. Our QB not learning from his mistakes is one thing, but the HC is another.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't see any way that this would actually happen. He's not going anywhere.

 

[Irish#1]

I may be the minority, but I don't want to lose Kelly at all. We damn near beat FSU, E.G. flat out shit the bed against ASU (and cost us the game), Cam and Brindza screwed us against NW (and cost us the game). None of which is truly Kelly's fault. Okay the 2pt conversion I agree, but he had lost all faith in Brindza. Who can blame him.....He's TERRIBLE If anything BVG has showed why he can't keep a job longer than 15 minutes.

Lol that would be awkward for Anzalone

How funny would that be? lol

Here's my nickles worth...........
1. I've always maintained you could still win at ND, regardless of what people say about academic restrictions, weather, etc. and I think Kelly has proven that. That in itself might get other "top" coaches to look at ND if the position came open.
2. Kelly made some mistakes in recruiting his first two years, but I think he's got it figured out now, so depth concerns should be a thing of the past after the 15 class arrives and going forward.
3. While some want to blame the players for the mistakes that cost us the NU game, I go back to Kelly. If he kicks the point after, we still win. If he takes a knee and NU gets the ball back with 10-15 secs and 50 yds to go, we still win. If Farley falls on the ball like he's been coached since youth football, we win. If BK doesn't replace a warmed up TF with a cold CM we still win. If BK doesn't call a jet sweep with a receiver inside the ten, we still win.
4. As I mentioned earlier, I'm in BK's corner right now, but his decisions Saturday sure have me scratching my head.
5. BK & JS have already shown (turf, training table, stadium renovation) that the admin is willing to work with the football program. Could they (admin) be less restrictive? Probably, but most of it comes down to selling an idea and both seem to be pretty good at it. If BK were to leave, I think we can land a very good coach.

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Wait this is real? I thought the recent bump of this thread was a combination of anti-Kelly wet dreaming and pro-Kelly doom and gloom.

 

[IrishLion]

Didn't someone already mentioned that Kelly shares an agent with several media members, and this is how that info is getting out there?

Basically, a leverage play?

 

[wizards8507]

Basically, a leverage play?

I thought the Eagles were his leverage play.

 

[IrishLion]

I thought the Eagles were his leverage play.

That was a leverage play for his assistants, duh.

 

[dublinirish]

Didn't someone already mentioned that Kelly shares an agent with several media members, and this is how that info is getting out there?

Basically, a leverage play?

lol what is he leveraging for? there are only so many dunkin donuts one man can buy

 

[IrishLion]

lol what is he leveraging for? there are only so many dunkin donuts one man can buy

Perhaps he's leveraging for a jumbotron ASAP.

 

[wizards8507]

That was a leverage play for his assistants, duh.

...and FieldTurf and Campus Crossroads.

 

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s Brian Kelly gaining traction as legitimate option for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> head coach opening per <a href="https://twitter.com/LukeStampini">@LukeStampini</a> — <a href="http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq">http://t.co/IplBZMS8Qq</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/535057982145720320">November 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The things that really pisses me off about this is that while this may not be true, you know this is going to be used against the program in every living room of every top talent we have a shot with on our board. You know it will affect more than one decision. Fucking hate this shit. BK needs to squash this STAT!

 

[Ndaccountant]

The things that really pisses me off about this is that while this may not be true, you know this is going to be used against the program in every living room of every top talent we have a shot with on our board. You know it will affect more than one decision. Fucking hate this shit. BK needs to squash this STAT!

That is what I find curious. Other coaches have, but he hasn't. Chris Mortenson has been spreading similar rumors too. Not sure what is going on, but the more this drags on without bk saying something, the more it looks like he may be looking.

 

[irishog77]

With all due respect, I think your notion is absurd. It's like quitting a pretty good job in the hopes of landing a better one. There may be a better one out there but maybe not. And even if there is, I may not ultimately land that job. You may take that gamble, but I certainly would not.

As for a realistic alternative, it is incumbent upon those advocating a change in coaches to provide the realistic alternatives. And I said that NOBODY has offered a realistic alternative. Do you honestly think that if there is such a great head coach out there who would be a realistic alternative to Kelly we wouldn't know about him by now? Surely someone on an ND board or in CFB circles would toss the name out. If the alternative is a name only known to ADs or agents as you imply, then chances are he's not ready for ND. And please tell me you're not suggesting someone with no head coaching experience. To even suggest that is asinine. I agree: there are no guarantees. But obviously some coaches are bigger risks than others. The lower risk coaches (Meyer, Stoops, Saban, etc...) are not viable, realistic alternatives. If you can name some coaches who would be realistic alternatives to Kelly and be low risk coaches, I'd be interested to hear them. Otherwise, just stating that there has to be someone out there who would be better yet not providing a name is just idle talk and a waste of everyone's time.

What notion is absurd?

If anything, the metaphor you should have drawn would be like replacing an employee who generally follows policy, shows up on time, and does what is required of him, for one that always follows policy, shows up early, and puts in the extra time to do more than is required of him. We were talking about BK's floor, which is high, but doubts exist about his ceiling.

And again, replacing a known for an unknown is a risk. Every single football coach in the world is an unknown. Just like it was unknown if Kelly would be better than CW.

You want people to offer you a viable alternative to BK. There are countless variables that go into who is actually an option, and none of us even know what those variables are (salary, staff, wife, children, taxes, existing contracts, health, work relationships, benefits, operating budgets, personal opinions on about a million things, etc.), and these concern both BK and his staff, as well as another party, and his potential staff. So, no, I can't give you a list of answers to a question that has numerous unknown variables. Do you want me to make a list for you of a bunch of coaches who are good at coaching?

 

[tko]

God, can you imagine Kelly and Alford in Florida?

 

[wizards8507]

God, can you imagine Kelly and Alford in Florida?

Would Alford follow BK? He was a Weis hire, wasn't he?

 

[tko]

Would Alford follow BK? He was a Weis hire, wasn't he?

Hard to truly know. Fascinating that we're in this position yet again, wondering about our head coach leaving or not.