'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[johnnycando]

There has never been a Notre dame coaching staff to show as much determination in recruiting the entire country. Lou Holtz, to his credit, made sincere effort. But, as you say, Kelly and company have taken national recruitment to a different level for Notre Dame.

Connect the dots, how old are you son?

Because no one has assembled what Holtz did while coaching at ND.

His recruiting classes were unreal.

 

[dwshade]

And in Holtz early years he got a lot of exceptions that no longer are allowed in terms of players accepted. Hell, he almost got Randy Moss into ND.

 

[Classic Irish]

Vinny Cerrato was the master at recruiting.

 

[Irish YJ]

Connect the dots, how old are you son?

Because no one has assembled what Holtz did while coaching at ND.

His recruiting classes were unreal.

But that was before Gore created the internet!

 

[Irish#1]

Vinny Cerrato was the master at recruiting.

Vinny would stand on the sidelines during bowl games and call the recruits. He'd say things like paraphrasing, "You think it's exciting watching this, wait until you're here on the field." or "Next year that will be you making that play".

The guy was ahead of his time.

And yes Connect, how old are you? Lou's teams were loaded with talent.

 

[OCIrish]

And in Holtz early years he got a lot of exceptions that no longer are allowed in terms of players accepted. Hell, he almost got Randy Moss into ND.

Had Moss not, I believe, beat up his teammate, he was in.....then the drug thing happened, and that was a definite no-no.....

 

[jspags10pg]

Wimbush Performing At An Elite Level

A few highlights from his last game. Dude's a stud.

Those first two TD throws to Fitzpatrick couldn't be placed any better.

So happy to have Wimbush on board. It would be amazing if we could somehow flip Minkah for that last DB spot. Wishful thinking, I know...but I would be so stoked.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Wimbush Performing At An Elite Level

A few highlights from his last game. Dude's a stud.

Those first two TD throws to Fitzpatrick couldn't be placed any better.

So happy to have Wimbush on board. It would be amazing if we could somehow flip Minkah for that last DB spot. Wishful thinking, I know...but I would be so stoked.

Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!

 

[BGIF]

And in Holtz early years he got a lot of exceptions that no longer are allowed in terms of players accepted. Hell, he almost got Randy Moss into ND.

Had Moss not, I believe, beat up his teammate, he was in.....then the drug thing happened, and that was a definite no-no.....

NO, HE DIDN'T ALMOST GET IN. Moss NEVER cleared ND Admissions!


Holtz did get some leeway on admissions as Kelly gets today. It's varied over the year largely by the head coach and his staff working with admissions to screen students earlier in their HS career to take necessary classes or improve grades while their is time to. Weis worked closely with admissions. Holtz had an adversarial role with admissions.

In '95 Holtz pulled an 11th hour move on admissions. A couple of student transcripts which were supposed to be in admissions hands weeks earlier finally arrived with NSD. Holtz announced Moss and a 5 star RB out of Florida were part of the class trying to finesse admissions. But Rooney at admissions said they're not ND students until admissions says so. When admissions reviewed the academic credentials of both superior football players but neither were ND academic material. Moss had a character issue but he had a more fundamental academic issue.

I use to write recruiting for the Irish Recruiting Journal and back then wrote a couple of articles on grades, test scores, admissions, and Cerrato. I tracked grades and test scores for about 20 years and had an inside source on staff back at the time.



And the mj incident was at FSU. It had no bearing on ND admission. He wasn't qualified academically.

 

[BGIF]

Connect the dots, how old are you son?

Because no one has assembled what Holtz did while coaching at ND.

His recruiting classes were unreal.

Ahem, Vinny Cerrato's recruiting classes were unreal!

Lou was a great in home closer but his recruiting strength was his assistant, Vinny Cerrato.

Holtz had the brilliance to hire Cerrato and make him a full time recruiting coordinator. Cerrato had no on field or practice responsibility ... just recruiting. Vinny was so successful at recruiting that the AFCA passed a regulation banning full time recruiting coordinators and requiring all assistant coaches have practice and field position responsibility.

Cerrato's last class played for ND in 1993. Check your calendar as to when Holtz's wizardry started to decline. It's when he ran out of Cerrato's players and had to play those he and the rest of his staff recruited. Most of the '94 team was Holtz's material.

Joe Moore was a legendary OLine coach WHEN he was coaching the kids Cerrato had found. When Joe Moore had to coach the OLs that he recruited, ND ran for 66 yards against Air Force. In that OT loss, Powlus was blindsided and fumbled when ND's 300 pound LT was tossed to the ground like a rag doll by a 250 pound Falcon defender. Interestingly Moore and argued with Holtz on NSD a few years earlier demanding that OL get a scholarship over some defensive recruit which filled the class. As a result ND was unable to take an LOI from some kid named Jevon Kearse.

 

[GBdomer]

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Brandon WimbushNotre Dame Fighting Irish
QB-DTJersey City, New Jersey/Saint Peter's PrepESPN 300: 36Previous rank: 4

Analysis: The more you watch Wimbush, the better he gets. In his ESPN 300 Player of the Week performance, the athletic Wimbush looked even more precise as a passer and dynamic as a runner. Put it this way: I have spent a lot of time on quarterbacks the past couple of years, and Wimbush has the traits of some of the best in the game, including the acumen of Brett Hundley and the skill of Braxton Miller. There is a very low bust factor here because he is willing to do what it takes to be great, and he picked a perfect spot for him to develop.



ESPN puts Wimbush ahead of Rosen and Murray. Who was the other QB we were recruiting for this class ?

 

[Wingman Ray]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

 

[Cackalacky]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

Nope. Not at all. Overall I am pretty psyched about him.

 

[koonja]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

I don't get that feeling at all. He retweets a lot of ND stuff now. We had Barnett committed for a while, then seemed to be all in on 2016 guys. Wimbush didn't even have an offer until Stanford-ish, so it's not like he could have been Irish even if he wanted to.

Plus Hackenberg is horrible, so it's not like he has a shiny offense to distract him in PSU.

And QB's rarely decommit twice. It almost never happens.

I'm pretty open minded about decommits and recruiting, and this one honestly doesn't worry me FWIW.

 

[GoIrish41]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

Nope

 

[ThePiombino]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

I married the last girl who cheated on her boyfriend with me, soooooo no- not worried.

 

[connect the dots]

Do any of you other guys feel uneasy about this one? I just dont have a lot of trust in commit/decommits. Nothing against this guy, just an overall feeling. Yes, I know we have won more than our share of decommits but to me, it is kind of like dating a girl who cheated on her ex boyfriend with you. The ability to do it is still there.

With all his kudos that he has been getting lately, surely he will get the attention of other programs. And from what I remember, he isnt on fire for ND trying to carry the recruiting flag. Anyone feel the same?

Walk me through this analogy of yours. Wimbush is the girl, and Penn State is the ex boyfriend, and you are Notre Dame, presumably the present boyfriend. And now, Notre Dame, who snuck in the bedroom window, should worry that Wimbush might do it again with Penn State? This is one weak, far-fetched comparison. But, posters in the Justin Brent thread might be able to run with it!

 

[koonja]

Walk me through this analogy of yours. Wimbush is the girl, and Penn State is the ex boyfriend, and you are Notre Dame, presumably the present boyfriend. And now, Notre Dame, who snuck in the bedroom window, should worry that Wimbush might do it again with Penn State? This is one weak, far-fetched comparison. But, posters in the Justin Brent thread might be able to run with it!

Love him or hate him, your most interesting poster of 2014 in my books ^.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Walk me through this analogy of yours. Wimbush is the girl, and Penn State is the ex boyfriend, and you are Notre Dame, presumably the present boyfriend. And now, Notre Dame, who snuck in the bedroom window, should worry that Wimbush might do it again with Penn State? This is one weak, far-fetched comparison. But, posters in the Justin Brent thread might be able to run with it!

Taken incorrectly. What I meant was that he broke his committment before (PSU ex boyfriend) so what makes you think he wouldnt do it again (breaking commitment with ND for another program)?

 

[koonja]

Taken incorrectly. What I meant was that he broke his committment before (PSU ex boyfriend) so what makes you think he wouldnt do it again (breaking commitment with ND for another program)?

Decommitting isn't divorce. People that decommit once are far less likely to do so a second time. It rarely happens, especially at QB.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Taken incorrectly. What I meant was that he broke his committment before (PSU ex boyfriend) so what makes you think he wouldnt do it again (breaking commitment with ND for another program)?

Because his last name isn't Keil, or Clark, or . . .

 

[GoldenDomer]

There's always one.

 

[OCIrish]

NO, HE DIDN'T ALMOST GET IN. Moss NEVER cleared ND Admissions!


Holtz did get some leeway on admissions as Kelly gets today. It's varied over the year largely by the head coach and his staff working with admissions to screen students earlier in their HS career to take necessary classes or improve grades while their is time to. Weis worked closely with admissions. Holtz had an adversarial role with admissions.

In '95 Holtz pulled an 11th hour move on admissions. A couple of student transcripts which were supposed to be in admissions hands weeks earlier finally arrived with NSD. Holtz announced Moss and a 5 star RB out of Florida were part of the class trying to finesse admissions. But Rooney at admissions said they're not ND students until admissions says so. When admissions reviewed the academic credentials of both superior football players but neither were ND academic material. Moss had a character issue but he had a more fundamental academic issue.

I use to write recruiting for the Irish Recruiting Journal and back then wrote a couple of articles on grades, test scores, admissions, and Cerrato. I tracked grades and test scores for about 20 years and had an inside source on staff back at the time.



And the mj incident was at FSU. It had no bearing on ND admission. He wasn't qualified academically.

Ok, I had thought it was the character issue, but I never knew he didn't qualify academically.....and I was fuzzy on the timeline with the mj as well. Thanks for sharing.

 

[irishff1014]

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Brandon WimbushNotre Dame Fighting Irish
QB-DTJersey City, New Jersey/Saint Peter's PrepESPN 300: 36Previous rank: 4

Analysis: The more you watch Wimbush, the better he gets. In his ESPN 300 Player of the Week performance, the athletic Wimbush looked even more precise as a passer and dynamic as a runner. Put it this way: I have spent a lot of time on quarterbacks the past couple of years, and Wimbush has the traits of some of the best in the game, including the acumen of Brett Hundley and the skill of Braxton Miller. There is a very low bust factor here because he is willing to do what it takes to be great, and he picked a perfect spot for him to develop.



ESPN puts Wimbush ahead of Rosen and Murray. Who was the other QB we were recruiting for this class ?

Hell yea.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wimbush Performing At An Elite Level

76% passing
22-1 TD to INT ration
TD passes of 66, 66, 45, 34 yrds

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According to the 247Sports Composite Rankings, there are three dual-threat quarterbacks rater higher than Jersey City (N.J.) St. Peters Prep four-star quarterback Brandon Wimbush. However, there may not be a quarterback in the country that is playing at a higher level than the Notre Dame commit from the class of 2015.

 

[BabyIrish]

Taken incorrectly. What I meant was that he broke his committment before (PSU ex boyfriend) so what makes you think he wouldnt do it again (breaking commitment with ND for another program)?

Not worried about another decommit here because most of the major colleges already have there '15 quarterback commit, we didn't which is one of the reasons we were able to get him.

I highly doubt if we still had Barnett that we would have recruited him and if we did he wouldn't have came with Barnett already in the fold.

 

[Irish#1]

Not worried about another decommit here because most of the major colleges already have there '15 quarterback commit, we didn't which is one of the reasons we were able to get him.

I highly doubt if we still had Barnett that we would have recruited him and if we did he wouldn't have came with Barnett already in the fold.

Let's not forget to thank Barnett.

 

[koonja]

All things equal, does anyone prefer this kid over Barnett? I'm on the fence. I think he's that good.

TheOneWhoKnocks, what do you think?

 

[BGIF]

All things equal, does anyone prefer this kid over Barnett? I'm on the fence. I think he's that good.

TheOneWhoKnocks, what do you think?

Barnett was #1 in his class as was Kiel. I'll take the kid who wants to compete in South Bend.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

All things equal, does anyone prefer this kid over Barnett? I'm on the fence. I think he's that good.

TheOneWhoKnocks, what do you think?

I recall not being thrilled with Barnetts out route arm strength. Maybe it was throwing motion but I got tebowish feelings, was awhile ago that I watched. I was an overall fan, my limited viewing of wimbush film tells me barnett was a better BK fit. I just havent watched wimbush enough. Stidham is the qb id take over all 15 n 16. My vibe seems to always be diff after watching films multiple times. For instance I got a leak vibe from henry(good thing). However going back over I wasnt really seeing the similarities. I do like Henry and if wimbush commit is reason he doesn't come. I think its a loss for ND. I get that kelly couldnt risk it tho.