Video of the Pass Interference

[Cackalacky]

I'm just being pissed right now. Talk reason to me tomorrow.

Haha. Go forth and be pissed brother. I am trying to not break something.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

What a dick bag Mike P is....

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Would love to see Gruden whoop his @$$

What a f'in joke. Let's take a still photo and describe the action. It is easy to say both ND receivers are blocking. It could just as easily be described as two defenders holding. A still photo tells no story. Way to take things out of context Dick, I mean Mike. Seriously, his words paint a picture; but imagine if with that same photo his words were opposite and more accurate - it would be equally valid sounding.

The fact that so many people are rushing (literally rushing) to defend the refs says something about their failure - imo.

 

[NDfan12]

Such a great game and that's how it's decided. That's so bad. Our boys should be 7-0 right now. Can't do anything about that now, thankfully they have a week off. Hopefully they come out these last five games and finish 11-1. I HOPE the polls don't knock us down further than 7. If Alabama lost this game they'd probably still be ranked 5th haha.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Fuck that guy.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Such a bullshit call. It's disgusting that the refs can control the outcome of a game like that.

 

[dad4aa]

What I also notice is none of the F$U players involved say anything to the ref like they do when they feel they were held. They turned and yelled at each other about who missed their assignment.

 

[Guest]

Cross posting BGIF's post on this because he's absolutely right. Had Fuller kept running his route this would have been an Irish win.

I disagree with BGIF's analysis. It does not matter whether the receivers know who the ball is going to and whether they turn their heads during the play.

The fact of the matter is that both receivers had a right to run where they were running. It is also a fact that neither engaged their DB in an actual block. They just ran to a spot and were interfered with.

If that play call is made on the 40 yard line, then the refs call defensive pass interference for blocking the WR route. You can't just jump in the WR way while he is running a route. That is the definition of pass interference.

 

[Guest]

What I also notice is none of the F$U players involved say anything to the ref like they do when they feel they were held. They turned and yelled at each other about who missed their assignment.

Exactly. They blew the coverage and knew it.

 

[NOLAIrish]

I can't wait for the official interpretation to be announced. I also can't wait to see how Kelly handles this. Probably with class.

Think we got all we'll get from Kelly on the call:

"He did exactly what he's supposed to do. Exactly what he's supposed to do. We do it legally, and that's the way we coach it. We don't coach illegal plays."

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I can't wait for the official interpretation to be announced. I also can't wait to see how Kelly handles this. Probably with class.

Speaking of classy. Did you hear Jimbo talk about how hard ND fought and what a good team they are, you know the way BK always talks about an opponent post game? You didn't? That's because Jimbo didn't say anything. He was too busy pumping out lies about the integrity of his players that do things the right way and a school that does things the right way and how his kids are great students. I almost kicked my TV. I F*cking hate those cheating Bastards.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Gif:

When a pass in uncatchable, it can be ruled as such and it can allow for a defensive holding to not be called, is that correct? For the life of me I can't figure out why similar logic couldn't be applied here. Even if there was interference on the offense, there is no way on God's green earth that a single defender was in a position to get to CRob in time to make a play. No F*cking way.

 

[connor_in]

Watched and re-watched this and read and watched all sorts of analysis.

Here is my take.

Everyone who says it is illegal is correct. That said the question becomes when do you call it. If you say call it every time, then I say call every hold every time. What the officials do is decide the degree of the infraction, and determine what her or not to call it. If they don't,then you would have a flag nearly every or every other play.

Back to this play. The play was bang-bang. The DB not only hit, but grabbed CJ as well. CJ then pushed into him on a surge and CRob had the ball by then. The FSU players didn't really appear to be begging for the cal but angry with each other, meaning they didn't expect it to be called either. Due to the initial action of the DB and the quickness of the occurrence, I don't think it should have been called. I don't think the degree of the infraction required it to be called.




Aside: Most of the people on TV saying good call are pointing to the stopped picture or frame by frame slow motion replay. My response is to have them watch any of FSU's touchdowns in slow motion or still picture and NOT find a penalty on them.

It was called. We didn't convert. We ended up losing. These guys played their guts out. I love our guys a ton and respect them like crazy. This was not the year we are supposed to do anything. This is the year we had 5 guys pulled away at the last minute before the season for something the rest of big time college football laughed at. We are unlike almost any other program in the country. #WeAreND

 

[wizards8507]

When a pass in uncatchable, it can be ruled as such and it can allow for a defensive holding to not be called, is that correct? For the life of me I can't figure out why similar logic couldn't be applied here. Even if there was interference on the offense, there is no way on God's green earth that a single defender was in a position to get to CRob in time to make a play. No F*cking way.

An uncatchable ball can't be catchable by ANYONE for it to negate PI, not just uncatchable to the player committing the penalty or the defender he interferes with. It was catchable by Robinson obviously, because he caught it. Even if the defender couldn't have made a play on the ball, you can't start blocking for YAC until the reception is completed. It's the same logic behind why you can't have lineman blocking downfield on a screen pass.

I agree that the still photos make the call look questionable but to me the video makes it clear that the correct call was made. Whoever touches who first is irrelevant because CJ proceeded to bull rush the defender without making any effort to look like he was running a route or trying to get separation.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

An uncatchable ball can't be catchable by ANYONE for it to negate PI, not just uncatchable to the player committing the penalty or the defender he interferes with. It was catchable by Robinson obviously, because he caught it. Even if the defender couldn't have made a play on the ball, you can't start blocking for YAC until the reception is completed. It's the same logic behind why you can't have lineman blocking downfield on a screen pass.

I agree that the still photos make the call look questionable but to me the video makes it clear that the correct call was made. Whoever touches who first is irrelevant because CJ proceeded to bull rush the defender without making any effort to look like he was running a route or trying to get separation.

Maybe I was unclear. My first question re. an uncatchable pass was asked more in a general sense, not in regards to this play. I realize this pass was catchable because it was, well caught. I'm asking if a defender has no chance of making a play should they make a call the way they did? I look at it this way. The video makes it look questionable that it would be called and the stills prove it shouldn't be.

 

[Cackalacky]

My analysis? After watching it several times and without direct observational data, I believe I now know what seppuku feels like.

 

[wizards8507]

Maybe I was unclear. My first question re. an uncatchable pass was asked more in a general sense, not in regards to this play. I realize this pass was catchable because it was, well caught. I'm asking if a defender has no chance of making a play should they make a call the way they did? I look at it this way. The video makes it look questionable that it would be called and the stills prove it shouldn't be.

To answer the more general question, an uncatchable ball can negate pass interference, not defensive holding as you mentioned in your first post.

Again, the defender initiating contact is irrelevant because the initial contact is legal for both players. The penalty comes from driving an engaged player ten yards back to create a running lane. If they were just hand fighting at the LOS, there's no penalty on either of them.

 

[connor_in]

Here's a question...

Considering the footage shows the defender grabbing CJ, shouldn't it have been defensive holding too...offsetting penalties, replay the down?

 

[Grahambo]

Here's a question...

Considering the footage shows the defender grabbing CJ, shouldn't it have been defensive holding too...offsetting penalties, replay the down?

A reporter on Twitter also noted that #26 on FSU, the third defender who blew his assignment, took his helmet off in the end zone and should have been flagged for that but was not.

 

[pkt77242]

Here's a question...

Considering the footage shows the defender grabbing CJ, shouldn't it have been defensive holding too...offsetting penalties, replay the down?

Yes, at the very least it should have been offsetting penalties.

 

[wesjunior]

A reporter on Twitter also noted that #26 on FSU, the third defender who blew his assignment, took his helmet off in the end zone and should have been flagged for that but was not.

That's a dead ball penalty, so it should have been 1st and Goal at the 9 with :12 to go.

 

[kmoose]

When a pass in uncatchable, it can be ruled as such and it can allow for a defensive holding to not be called, is that correct?

No. Holding is different from Pass Interference. A PI can be not called, if the ball was uncatchable. But holding is holding.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

You know I really believed the ref made the correct call. But after watching the play over and over again on dvr and then reading this thread, I agree no call should have been made there. Clearly Ramsey was not "throwing his hands in the air to provoke the refs" like Herby stated; he was complaining to teammates about the best in coverage.


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[GoldenDome]

Fuller was flagged on the play. The plays before, the WRs sold it well. To me, the play that got flagged it looked like the WRs were a bit too overzealous, thus making it look more like a block rather than running a rout.

DBs are coached to run through pick plays so initiated contact is really irrelevant. It really looked like Fuller basically tackled the guy, which he really did not have to do because CRob clearly would have gotten in either way.

As a WR you have to act like you are trying to get off the defender by way of swim move or simply throwing your hands in the air. If you look at Fuller, there is no way he is running a rout, rather it looks like he is blocking. There is no intent for him to get off the DB.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

My take: Perhaps the call was correct. If so, why did ND successfully run the exact same play earlier in the game, without penalty? The inconsistencies in the way this game was called are insane. To make that call at the end and change the outcome should result in a peer review. I dont see how the refs can get away with that. If there's an infraction, mske the call, and make it every time. Not just situationally.

 

[Circa]

I've been triying to sift through all the rubble of last night's 'call', and I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever as to a reason for that 'call'. We all watched It just like millions of non ND fans and for the first time in my 36 years I am bewildered at the sight of these non fans anguish in our defeat. I'm a very proud UND fan today! The rest of the year will play out as planned. Although the world did seem to stop spinning after that debacle, It seems to be providing gravity today!

 

[AvesEvo]

Vikings vs Bills.... commentators 10 minutes left in second quarter just stated that they were surprised that the pick was called last night.

 

[PJWhitfield]

Are there any referees (high school or college) that can weigh on this?

 

[theclassickiller]

I refereed middle school wrestling.

Bad call.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

A reporter on Twitter also noted that #26 on FSU, the third defender who blew his assignment, took his helmet off in the end zone and should have been flagged for that but was not.

I'm not surprised.

 

[HoosierMP33]

By the letter of the law, it's a legit call....So i'll get over it, let it go, and look forward to the month of November...

My opinion on it tho....is that it's at a point in the game where you have to let the kids play....thus a really debatable call....it's a call I would have NEVER thrown a flag on....These plays happen quite often through-out the course of a game and only get called 5% of the time....last remaining seconds of a big game isn't the time to get flag happy over a routine play...

Devil's advocate (and realist) view....ND shouldn't have left the game up to just one call on the second-to-last play of the game....leave it in the hands of the ref and you will get screwed....

ND-FSU on a neutral site? ND wins by 3 or more.