Post Game Observations (North Carolina '14)

Old Man Mike

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As far as to whether Coach CAN even do what he wants with the running game: It seems to me that not many have watched [much] of the Cincinnati offense when Coach was there and had a QB who could do the things that he needed done. Obviously Tommy The Good Soldier couldn't do all the things, but Everett cannot do all the things either.

What Coach wants, and what he had at Cincy whether it was a Pike-type QB or a Collaros-type QB, was a QB who could speed up the pace of the play-calling without messing things up himself due to nervousness, confusion on defense reads, lack of full-field vision, or whatever the complexity of factors is that thwarts Everett from competently doing this.

We KNOW that Everett cannot do this [at least yet] because Kelly says that he wants to increase pace all the time in press conferences but in the games we cannot sustain any real pace for more than two or three plays without mucking something up. So, what does this have to do with Coach's running philosophy?

If Kelly can get the offense moving at a fast pace, then the Kelly Air Attack begins to terrorize the opposing DC and, without much time to think, he begins playing Kelly in what amounts to Nickel and Dime principles. THAT's when all of a sudden "Isaiah Pead" is ripping through the front "six" and is rolling towards the goalline. Or that's when Collaros [or even when it presents itself, Pike] takes off through the wide-open unaccounted-for spaces and cruises to a first down.

But it's mainly the pace and the superior design of the passing attack [AND proper pre-snap choices of a limited set of alternative plays] which allows this. Tommy could do the pre-snap stuff and that's why we mostly survived. Everett can't. And Everett isn't relaxed and confident enough [except when he's free-lancing --- then he's great] to competently run the fast pace. Thank Goodness he's such a fabulous athlete.

Coach is trying all manner of gimmicks as games go on to try to cover up this weakness, but he begins each game as if this is the one where Everett gets the Light turned on. UNC wasn't it. What I believe that few remember is that all THREE of our first series were colossal screw-ups. Series one was the pocket fumble-not-quite-a-pass. Series three was the pick six. But series two was a just-about pick six also. It was a terrible read with the corner sitting on the route who was one step from a touchdown. I wonder how we all would have felt down 21 after three series??

Kelly DOES want to pass to set up the run, but to do so the passing game must be consistently run, and the passing game must be properly checked out of when the open spaces are there. We're not doing that yet and it must drive Kelly crazy. See: all the times when we can read his lips when Everett comes to the sidelines and Kelly says: "Why'd you run that play?"



... one other random unrelated thing that I noticed both against UNC and some against Stanford: Coach has apparently told Cam [and maybe the other RBs] NOT to assume that an interior rusher will be sustainably blocked. Early in the year, Cam went immediately to the logical blitzer and stuck him. This last game particularly, he looked hard at the middle of the OLine and stepped forward to help seal it. This left the edge blitzer free, and Everett [who may well have been told of this strategy] would handle the edge blitzer by himself. Not ideal, but telling about the middle of the OLine [I don't think this is Elmer by the way, he seems to be starting to drive opponents' brains out]. I of course don't know if this is correct, but Cam has always been a superior blitz analyst and dependable at sticking his body in there where needed.
 

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If you must know, my friend I've just been swapped:

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OFD's Larz just published a film breakdown of Kelly's use of the Jet Sweep against UNC:



Read the whole thing if you have time.

When I read this:

In the 4th quarter when the Irish needed a spark, Kelly found it. He sprung the trap he set with the sweep. Fake the sweep, play action deep. Next play, fake the sweep, give to the running back. Critical 2 point convert, fake the sweep, bootleg, hit the tight end in the flats. Subtle. Patient. Outstanding. Well done Coach Kelly. This is what great play calling is all about.

I now see how BK can get so upset with little things like not snapping the ball in time, calling an un-needed TO, etc. When you are this deep in a jedi mind trick of play calling and somebody messes with your mojo.... sh!te, that's like someone coming up and flipping the table just as you are putting the last piece into your 11,891 piece puzzle. Maddening.
 

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As far as to whether Coach CAN even do what he wants with the running game: It seems to me that not many have watched [much] of the Cincinnati offense when Coach was there and had a QB who could do the things that he needed done. Obviously Tommy The Good Soldier couldn't do all the things, but Everett cannot do all the things either.

What Coach wants, and what he had at Cincy whether it was a Pike-type QB or a Collaros-type QB, was a QB who could speed up the pace of the play-calling without messing things up himself due to nervousness, confusion on defense reads, lack of full-field vision, or whatever the complexity of factors is that thwarts Everett from competently doing this.

We KNOW that Everett cannot do this [at least yet] because Kelly says that he wants to increase pace all the time in press conferences but in the games we cannot sustain any real pace for more than two or three plays without mucking something up.

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Interesting post. I cut it off here to speak about Kelly's Recruiting,Player Development, and System.

When Kelly arrived at Cincy, Pike was already there. He didn't recruit him "to his system". A lament I have seen many a poster make here in regard to Crist and Hendrix. Pike was 3 star QB with no speed and with few decent offers from other schools. He redshirted as a freshman under Dantonio. He DNP in Kelly's first year and only threw 9 passes as a Jr. In '08 he was the backup QB until the starter went down. Then he got hurt. When he returned he held onto the job and excelled. Collaros was another 3 star who got his opportunity when Pike got banged up again.

When Kelly came to ND he had Crist, a 5 Star starter with a cannon. And he brought in the strong armed, mobile Hendrix and the "noodle armed, immobile Rees. I suspect Crist injuries took a toll on the running part of a Kelly's UC offense, and his head never seemed to grasp the approach. Instead of getting a couple of years to work into the system like Pike. Rees was thrown in the water without a couple of games to get accustomed to campus much less Kelly's UC offense. Fans screamed for Crist and Hendrix but as time would tell both proved not capable.

Subsequently Kelly brought in Golson who redshirted, almost went undefeated in a limited offense, then was out of school for a season, and is back still undefeated in a system but with less time practice time than Pike. Zaire's action has been comprised of 4 rushes in the first 2 games. Had a big run like Hendrix did but no passes. Kiel, the 5 Star QB, didn't play a down. Kizer won't see the field this year. So in 5 seasons, Kelly had gone through Crist, Rees, Hendrix, and Golson as his starters.

Where Pike was worked into Kelly's Scheme over 3 seasons, Golson and Zaire (who we haven't seen since UM) are the only ones who got a year to warm up to Kelly's Way.

Despite the lamentations of "Giveaway" Golson morphing into "Turnover" Tommy, his interception rate is low. He does make people cringe when he carries the ball but his running also is Kelly's bread and butter, "Call and Haul". Problem is like Crist and Hendrix he has trouble with the cerebral part of the "Call".

We can discuss OLines to wee hours but Kelly never had an one OL at UC like the crop he's had at ND for the past 5 seasons. The worst ND OLine of those seasons was better than the best UC OLine of his years there.

Out of curiosity, I looked up Kelly's UC recruiting classes he didn't recruit a 4 star until his last year there and then he got all of 2. Everybody else was 2s and 3s.

So why was Kelly so brilliant there with the untalented and merely .711 here? (I like .711 better than .530 but .711 isn't even ND's average.)

Is the difference OC Jeff Quinn? I have no affinity for Quinn as I didn't follow UC or Buffalo. But recall Kelly brought almost his entire UC Brain Trust with him to ND with the principal exception of Quinn. As I recall Quinn was Kelly's OC and OL Coach NOT the QB coach but the UC QBs seemed more comfortable playing in Quinn's game plan than 5 years of ND QBs do in Kelly's game plan.

Has Kelly struggled to instill his system in his NDs QB because he doesn't he spends time doing the game planning that Quinn did or was Quinn the one that actually "managaed" the QBs at UC?

I don't know. I recognize that ND QBs face tougher defenses in a tougher schedule than UC did, and still does, but the ND QBs have a better supporting players in all facets of the game.
 

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FWIW, I don't really think Kelly has "an offense" or "a system." I think he's an opportunist, who takes what the defense gives him and what his players can execute. I understand how this can be frustrating - and at times limiting - but it's the way he coaches and hard to argue with the results.
I also think that this is the first year that the QB wasn't a limiting factor for our offense. That may be a reason that - so far at least - it's been our highest-scoring offense of the Kelly era, despite having maybe the least talent he's had beyond the QB position.
 

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FWIW, I don't really think Kelly has "an offense" or "a system." I think he's an opportunist, who takes what the defense gives him and what his players can execute. I understand how this can be frustrating - and at times limiting - but it's the way he coaches and hard to argue with the results.
I also think that this is the first year that the QB wasn't a limiting factor for our offense. That may be a reason that - so far at least - it's been our highest-scoring offense of the Kelly era, despite having maybe the least talent he's had beyond the QB position.


The opposing teams defenses might have something to do with that. The first half of this season's schedule has been a lot easier than anyone forecast. I looked up the Scoring Defense Rankings for our '14 Opponents:

Aug 30 W 48 - 17 RICE #93 Scoring Defense out of 128

Sep 6 W 31 - 0 MICH # 38

Sep 13 W 30 - 14 PURDUE #87

Sep 27 W 31 - 15 at CUSE #72

Oct 4 W 17 - 14 STNFRD #1

Oct 11 W 50 - 43 UNC #127

For an Average 70th Ranked Scoring Defense



The Defenses get stingier in the second half of the season

FSU #30

Navy #75

ASU #92

NW #11

UL #3

USC #45

Second Half Opponents Current Average Scoring Defense Rank at #43
 

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I think Jeff Quinn was a huge aspect of UC's offensive success under BK, and I was bummed when Quinn moved on rather than follow BK to ND.

Quinn understood what BK wanted in a way that nobody at ND has been able to match, leaving BK free to be the QB whisperer during his time at UC.

The other thing, which BGIF kind of mentioned, is time in the system, but something else that you can't really quantify is "motivation." When BK arrived at UC, Pike was a 5th string QB that was basically on his way out the door. BK met with him, told him to buckle up and compete, or he was gone, wasting roster space.

Pike responded to the challenge, secured his spot as a third string QB, and moved his way up from there by seizing the opportunities he got in '07 and '08. He had the benefit of a true developmental, dip-your-toes-in-the-water progression over two years. The "next man in" process was huge for Pike (and Collaros later on), and BK simply hasn't had a chance for that process to be settled at ND.

The only QB that's had that chance to truly go through the developmental "pacing" at ND so far was Hendrix, and the light simply didn't turn on for him, despite the fact that he was, at times, given developmental reps in gametime situations. Crist was asked to be the answer immediately, and was on his way to being a world beater (IMO) before ultimately failing at protecting himself properly. Rees was thrown to the fire and responded admirably in light of his limitations, and Golson was brought along properly before getting himself in trouble.

Now, Zaire and Kizer finally present a stable QB foundation, the likes of which BK hasn't had since UC. Whereas the UC QB position was a standard "next man in," the ND position has been "what kind of dumb things can the universe throw into the mix."
 
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