US troops to fight Ebola Virus.

[Cali_domer]

We can't/don't control our borders with all our resources and you think third world countries can?

Who proclaims it?

Who enforces it?

Stop taking flights where outbreaks are occurring seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[BobD]

Stop taking flights where outbreaks are occurring seems like a no brainer to me.

How would Americans get home?

 

[enrico514]

How would Americans get home?

What do you mean?

 

[Cali_domer]

How would Americans get home?

Make them wait 21 days in quarantine. Then bring them home.

 

[BGIF]

Make them wait 21 days in quarantine. Then bring them home.

Just like we do in TX, NM, AZ, and CA, right?

 

[johnnycando]

Make them wait 21 days in quarantine. Then bring them home.

Agreed.

24 for good measure.

 

[enrico514]

Guys all you hawsers are too simple and logical...

 

[BGIF]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-outbreak-in-nigeria-appears-to-be-over.html?_r=0

By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.SEPT. 30, 2014

“For those who say it’s hopeless, this is an antidote — you can control Ebola,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the C.D.C.

Stark differences between the Dallas case and the Nigerian case.

On July 17, Mr. Sawyer defied medical advice and left a hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, where he was being held for observation after caring for his sister, who died of Ebola, although it was unclear whether he knew what she had.

Nigerian news reports said he used Liberian government contacts for permission to leave, flying to Lagos by way of Ghana and Togo. He planned to go to an economic development conference there and then fly back to Coon Rapids, Minn., for his children’s birthdays, according to media interviews with his widow.

Taken to a small private hospital after he collapsed, he denied any contact with Ebola victims and was initially treated for malaria. He died on July 25.

“That hospital had zero infection control,” Dr. Frieden said. A nurse who helped reinsert an IV line when Mr. Sawyer was delirious and bleeding wore no gloves, had a cut on her hand and did not wash it, he said. She later died.

After malaria treatment failed, Ebola was “high on the index of suspicion,” Dr. Shuaib said.

 

[ND NYC]

off to the preppers thread...see ya!

 

[enrico514]

Make them wait 21 days in quarantine. Then bring them home.

Isn't 21 days and average? Heard from a doc here that it could be as long as 45 days!

Restrict air travel! It ain't that complicated and your country already does it!

 

[Cali_domer]

The thing is you want to continue help contain it in Africa just because it's right to do. But be smart.

 

[johnnycando]

Vitamin C, D

Colloidal Silver

Bleach

Water reserves

And intelligent transaction and contact when in stores. Pretend everything can infect you. Because it can.

Don't use cash. Cash/coins can become "infected" and become a vector, if you will.

 

[IrishLion]

Seriously though...

Gonna pick up some cases of bottled water, some bulk crates of canned and dried food, and some basic home-quarantine survival items this weekend just in case.

 

[ND NYC]

doesnt IrishPat live in Dallas?

 

[IrishLax]

Stop taking flights where outbreaks are occurring seems like a no brainer to me.

Make them wait 21 days in quarantine. Then bring them home.

This is exactly what I mean. Why are you accepting flights? And if you're going to accept flights, why is there not a mandatory quarantine period for anyone who has a chance of being infected?

For all the talk of our "unsecured" borders, there's a HUGE difference between people who professionally try to get across our borders being able to evade the security, and being able to reasonably maintain our borders to restrict every day normal travelers via major airlines.

 

[IrishinTN]

And this is how the world will end, not with a bang but a whimper.

 

[IrishLion]

This is exactly what I mean. Why are you accepting flights? And if you're going to accept flights, why is there not a mandatory quarantine period for anyone who has a chance of being infected?

From an article on CNN:

What's to stop other Ebola patients from getting on a flight and coming here?

The CDC has issued warnings to avoid nonessential travel to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, the countries hit the hardest by the outbreak.

And it's also working with airport officials in those nations, and in Nigeria, so every person getting on a plane is screened for fever.

"And if they have a fever, they are pulled out of the line, assessed for Ebola and don't fly unless Ebola is ruled out," CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden said.

What's being done when the planes land in the U.S.?

The United States isn't planning on banning flights coming from the hot zones in West Africa, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said in August.

But once flights land at a U.S. airport from one of those countries, passengers are screened again.

"And there are facilities available that if an individual is detected exhibiting these symptoms, that they can be quarantined and promptly evaluated by a medical professional," Earnest said.

I think the biggest point here is that they are making sure people don't have a fever when they leave... if they don't have a fever, they aren't a risk to others.

Then, when they land, if they somehow over the duration of the flight develop a fever, or if it was missed the first time, they are quarantined (and I would imagine the entire flight would be [or should be] as well).

 

[woolybug25]

The reality is that we can ban all of the flights we want, it wont fully stop the spread. We aren't the only country that has travelers going/coming from this area. Many countries may simply not have the ability to do full on travel bans or effectively screen people returning to their country.

 

[ND NYC]

so...the CDC's plan is to have doctors/nurses at airports throughut the world, with thermomenters, taking passengers temperatures before they get on, and when they get off airplanes?

 

[ND NYC]

hearing that "Patient X", from Dallas, had travelled back to Sierra Leone to bury his mother...who just died from ebola.

brilliant!

 

[johnnycando]

From an article on CNN:





I think the biggest point here is that they are making sure people don't have a fever when they leave... if they don't have a fever, they aren't a risk to others.

Then, when they land, if they somehow over the duration of the flight develop a fever, or if it was missed the first time, they are quarantined (and I would imagine the entire flight would be [or should be] as well).

Which still doesn't catch a 21 day incubation period.

Which mean it's not enough of a measure considering the risk!

 

[Redbar]

I hope irish1958 didn't decide there was too much resistance to his positions in this thread to keep posting. He was absolutely correct in saying that the people close to this situation are seriously concerned about what is going on. Nothing will make the world forget about ISIS and the middle east faster than this epidemic spreading around the world.

Given the rather tepid response so far by the world community I don't see how we contain it unless we start making some rather tough decisions.

Johnny I don't think that this is what the Georgia Guidestones were referring to, but I do believe it could unintentionally aide in the accomplishment of that end.

 

[johnnycando]

Johnny I don't think that this is what the Georgia Guidestones were referring to, but I do believe it could unintentionally aide in the accomplishment of that end.

The eugenist R.C. Christian certainly didn't have the foresight to know when.

Just that a culling would happen.

A new capstone is on place. It reads, "2014."

 

[Redbar]

A new capstone is on place. It reads, "2014."

Did not know that. Just out of curiosity, would you attempt a guess at who R.C. Christian was or who he represented?

 

[johnnycando]

Did not know that. Just out of curiosity, would you attempt a guess at who R.C. Christian was or who he represented?

My vote is the popular vote.

This is extremely outlandish.

But enjoy: UPDATE! Georgia Guidestones 2014, EBOLA, RC Christian: DOTS CONNECTED

 

[johnnycando]

R.C. Carter is my guess.

Or Robert. C. Cook

But that's a creepy thought too.

 

[BGIF]

"A failure to communicate"

"A failure to communicate"

According to Dr Mark Lester, Tx Health Resources, the pt, Thomas Duncan volunteered to the receiving nurse that he had traveled from Africa in response to her questions from a check list. "Regretfully that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team."

The pt was given antibiotics and sent home.

His symptoms got worse and a friend had to call the CDC. He went by ambulance back to the hospital.


Flight info

Liberia to Brussels

United Flights
UN951 Brussels to DC
UN 822 DC to Dallas

U.S. customs screens arriving passengers. The CDC has trained personnel on symptoms to watch for. Flagged passengers are further screened by CDC staff.

 

[BGIF]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-victim-texas-thomas-eric-duncan.html

By NORIMITSU ONISHIOCT. 1, 2014

Mr. Duncan, the first person to develop symptoms outside Africa during the current epidemic, had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15, just four days before he left Liberia for the United States, the woman’s parents and Mr. Duncan’s neighbors said.

In a pattern often seen here in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, the family of the woman, Marthalene Williams, 19, took her by taxi to a hospital with Mr. Duncan’s help on Sept. 15 after failing to get an ambulance, said her parents, Emmanuel and Amie Williams. She was convulsing and seven months pregnant, they said.

Turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola treatment ward, the family said it took Ms. Williams back home in the evening, and that she died hours later, around 3 a.m.

 

[BGIF]

I hope irish1958 didn't decide there was too much resistance to his positions in this thread to keep posting. He was absolutely correct in saying that the people close to this situation are seriously concerned about what is going on. Nothing will make the world forget about ISIS and the middle east faster than this epidemic spreading around the world.

Given the rather tepid response so far by the world community I don't see how we contain it unless we start making some rather tough decisions.

Johnny I don't think that this is what the Georgia Guidestones were referring to, but I do believe it could unintentionally aide in the accomplishment of that end.

You out there Doc?

 

[irish1958]

I haven't had much to add. Unfortunately much of what I feared has and is happening, and it will only get much worse.
Malinda and Bill Gates have pledged 5 BILLION dollars to help stem the epidemic. That is a start ( and about twenty times what the USA government has pledged, although the deployment of troups might bring that up to just ten times what the government has pledged)
The original ER doctor in Dallas was grossly incompetent.
The medical community had better get their heads out of their collective asses.