[Vpoll] Marijuana, Weed, Pot

[Vpoll] Marijuana, Weed, Pot

  • Legalize it for christ sake!!!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep it illegal pot is for losers and NDOM

    Votes: 51 22.3%
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    Votes: 178 77.7%

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RDU Irish

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Stat thrown out on some show that 8% of the population smokes regularly. That blew my mind. Almost as much as the guy using that to support opposition since it was such a "small number". Seriously? 1 in 12 people? That is a HUGE number! Could you imagine if some other product was unregulated, subject to tampering to which one in twelve people had regular exposure. Knowing that stat, do nutjob social conservatives think throwing 1 in 12 people in jail is a good idea?

Then I see another idiot say they should make it legal to use but illegal to sell. WTF is that going to solve? That idiot was Bill O'Reilly.
 
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I used to think pot was just for hippies, degenerates, and so forth...basically like a small number of people. It wasn't until a few years ago that I started finding out how many people in my family were either actively smoking or smoked in the past. I was somewhat surprised to find out my dad used to smoke, I never saw that coming, he just didn't seem like the type. Now that I'm not so naive, I've come to accept that it's not all that bad, and far more people smoke or used to smoke than I thought. I'm definitely in the camp that believes it should be legal, regulated, and taxed. Based on the number of people that are likely smoking, I can't see why the government doesn't just legalize it and tax it.

The government isn't exactly famous for changing policies that aren't working. As pointed out in the documentary The Union, cops, dealers, growers, etc all benefit from it being illegal. The only people who get screwed are the citizens, and when do their interests actually get served?
 
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Is there any certifying body for cannabis that anyone is aware of? Something similar to Oregon Tilth but for cannabis?

Certified Green or something like that is in California. It's a waste of money though. Idk about other states.

Mendocino County in CA has a program where the sheriffs go by your garden and put zip ties on your 25 allotted plants and you're gold with them.
 

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Just saw this. You'll need to watch what is added to legal marijuana.

'Spice' is a deadly ingredient - Daily Pilot

Grow your own. Boom. Done and done.

Actually, that article shows what happens when marijuana is illegal, people pursue harsh counterfeits. 'K2' wasn't added to marijuana, it was purchased instead of marijuana as a replacement. Sad story.
 
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Just saw this. You'll need to watch what is added to legal marijuana.

'Spice' is a deadly ingredient - Daily Pilot

"spice" is what is in synthetic marijuana, not legal marijuana sold in states like CO/WA. The stuff they are talking about in that article is synthetic, not actual marijuana.

People that actually buy from dispensaries aren't buying this stuff. It's not even sold there.

Please refrain from posting articles and stating them as something different than they are. This article is about a kid that died from synthetic marijuana, which has nothing to do with legal marijuana.
 

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Grow your own. Boom. Done and done.

Actually, that article shows what happens when marijuana is illegal, people pursue harsh counterfeits. 'K2' wasn't added to marijuana, it was purchased instead of marijuana as a replacement. Sad story.

Ah...Thanks for clarifying...that makes more sense. I couldn't understand why something that was legal would be more unsafe than something that was illegal. I'll go back to commenting on football and football recruiting, something I'm a little more familiar with.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../high-time-marijuana-legalization.html?op-nav

A six-part series on marijuana legalization from the NY Times.

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It's looking like Oregon, Alaska, and DC will legalize this year. California will by 2016. That map will be much greener for the 2016 election, I suspect it'll be a real voting issue, especially if Rand gets into the general.

Meanwhile Indiana's crook of a governor is trying to increase penalties because he's in the pocket of private prisons.
 
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I'm lucky that the private prison issue isn't in my top 100. But i don't like the sounds of it.
Lucky? What does that mean?

I don't understand your artificial limit on concern about issues, but I'm interested to see you state which 100 issues are more important than corporations profiting from the incarceration of people.
 

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Meanwhile Indiana's crook of a governor is trying to increase penalties because he's in the pocket of private prisons.

IMO...He's one of the best Govenors...Just sayin'

I'm not sure about Pence yet, but our previous Governor Daniels was.

Privatizing gives the state a guaranteed income stream and puts the risk on the private companies.
 
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I'm not sure about Pence yet, but our previous Governor Daniels was.

Privatizing gives the state a guaranteed income stream and puts the risk on the private companies.

See, this is my issue. Someone sold a lot of people a bill of goods. Privatization is a lie to steal from the people. Nothing more.

A) Most governments task with a job do it as well or better than private counterparts. (We are still paying for the privatization of parts of the military. Even where the private companies were able to act in an ethical way (which was not often) their deliverable was always more expensive and less timely than the governments.

B) Privatization is the beginning of limited civil liberties. The point of a private prison is to make money. The only way you can make money is to provide a bigger market, which translates to more customers. The best companies are amoral. Adding that amorality to our criminal justice system is immoral. That is where we have come from, not where we need to be going . . .

C) Every time privatization fails, the cost gets passed back to whom? That is right! Whether huge debt or lack of services, we all pay. What looks like a good money making deal for all ends up being a big hole for taxpayers to dig themselves out from under, once the private sources take the money and run, or flat out fail. See Indiana Toll Road, and half the other privatization schemes rubber stamped through. Thank goodness they stopped that bull shite in Ohio! If 80-90 became someone's piggy bank everyone would feel the cost!

As far as Marijuana, I don't prefer to think that people I know and love could be smoking all the lethal, toxic additives, assholes add to make their product appear to give a great buzz!
 
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Are you trying to refer to marijuana as being toxic?

Not the marijuana, the additives used to extend the product (cheat the customer), or produce a bigger high, (often formaldehyde or other such toxic substance.) With regulation there would be almost no chance of this kind of insane additive.

I read a couple of places where over half the pot has been doctored or altered in some way that makes it less healthy for the consumer and more profitable for the asshole with no social conscience. And as I was trying to say, I am all for legalization, bringing better regulation. (Big money is going to fight it though, because it is against their best interest.)
 
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Not the marijuana, the additives used to extend the product (cheat the customer), or produce a bigger high, (often formaldehyde or other such toxic substance.) With regulation there would be almost no chance of this kind of insane additive

Oh okay I see what you are saying now. I thought at first you were trying to say that marijuana contains toxic material. Then I thought you were trying to state that if/when it becomes legal that they will be putting toxins in it.

I was very confused.

Never have I ever touched K2 or anything along those lines. I've heard terrible stories of people high off of that. There have even been many deaths from that stuff. It makes no sense how that can be legal while using something as harmless (at its limits) as marijuana can put you in jail.
 
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I'll call bullshit on additives to weed

I can guarantee a good deal of the weed people are smoking isn't even close to meeting USDA organic standards in terms of the fertilizers and or pesticides applied. I wouldn't buy tomatoes from a good number of the yahoos who grow pot.
 

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Yes because we aren't ever exposed or consume things that aren't supposed to be in our body anyways. And no I wouldn't buy tomatoes from a pot dealer either cause if I need a tomatoe I'll give go to the store. But that probably has artificial sprays and whatnot on it also...We're all fvcked.
 

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I can guarantee a good deal of the weed people are smoking isn't even close to meeting USDA organic standards in terms of the fertilizers and or pesticides applied. I wouldn't buy tomatoes from a good number of the yahoos who grow pot.

I'd definitely buy tomatoes from the the pot farmer. Most of the hippies who grow pot love their plants like children. I'd buy hydroponic tomatoes that aren't organic but grown in a good system without pesticides, the same with marijuana (if it were legal).

I have a hard time believing any serious percentage of marijuana has any additives in it, it works well enough as is. The people who want to soak their weed in stuff or add other drugs, do it purposefully not to harm the consumer or surprise them. The current weed is plenty strong, some of that stuff in Colorado has monster THC, CBD etc content that it'll put you on the moon. Parsing the english language can be difficult after a few tokes of that stuff.
 

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I'll add to Veritate's comment with the point that most marijuana growers I have encountered are expert botanists. The days of growing ditch weed with pesticides has long past. Today, the best strains HAVE to be grown organically to achieve the proper balance and preserve their natural genes. People don't create good product chemically, they create it through breeding.

If someone grows their plants with chemicals, it's an inferior product to the expert breeding and hybridization that is dominating the market right now.
 
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I've met lot of self professed "botanists". I also know plenty of people who grow who don't know what NPK stands for. Then again I live in the land of "gurus", "sages" and "soothsayers". My point is that due to the quasi legal nature of weed nobody knows where it was sourced, how it is grown or what has been applied to it. The way some co-ops "test" for pesticides for example is by smelling and or smoking a sample of the product. Indoor grows are terrible from an environmental standpoint as well. 600 - 1000 watt bulbs really suck down the juice. Add to that all the PVC plumbing and all fert that gets flushed out of the soil/system and into sewer lines and you're bordering on a mini super fund site. Anyhow, you guys are way too trusting of "hippies". Haha.
 

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Sounds like we have some growers on in this thread, IMO...:wink:

I have grown a few in the very distant past when I was a bit more naive and single-minded. I had a few good genetic strains that had just come on the scene coupled with a few more common strains. I had a blueberry x NYCD cross that knocked my socks off.

I don't know about "chemicals" being used as that pretty much refers to every listing on the periodic table which contains many of the minerals needed. I stuck with the generic FloraNova grow and bloom and maybe a few additives of which I no longer recall. Small high pressure sodium light, I think it was a 250 and the only real difficulty is keeping the reservoir cool enough so the roots don't rot. I think somewhere in the middle to low 60s is ideal.

It's really not difficult but it does make you appreciate botany much more. The whole lifecycle from planting to harvesting is watched much more closely than the average farmers tomato plants (which I now grow). Culling the males took some time. I didn't realize how quickly they developed the pollen sacks nor how quickly they opened. A few slightly seedy harvests were a good teacher.

Speaking of harvesting, it's amazing how sticky that stuff really gets. It was like super-glue. If you pressed your fingers together, it was hard to pull them apart. Phenomenally evolved pest-resistance as I don't know what could've landed on those oils and made it out alive.

Hydroponic grows so incredibly fast that I'm surprised it's not used more often with the general farming community. Perhaps space and energy bills prove to costly with the more traditional crops whereas an oz of premium seedless could easily have netted $400 back in the day. (I never sold marijuana for what it's worth, I simply wanted my own supply).
 

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I've met lot of self professed "botanists". I also know plenty of people who grow who don't know what NPK stands for. Then again I live in the land of "gurus", "sages" and "soothsayers". My point is that due to the quasi legal nature of weed nobody knows where it was sourced, how it is grown or what has been applied to it. The way some co-ops "test" for pesticides for example is by smelling and or smoking a sample of the product. Indoor grows are terrible from an environmental standpoint as well. 600 - 1000 watt bulbs really suck down the juice. Add to that all the PVC plumbing and all fert that gets flushed out of the soil/system and into sewer lines and you're bordering on a mini super fund site. Anyhow, you guys are way too trusting of "hippies". Haha.

All dispensaries that I know of have their product tested and only purchase from legal, reputable growers. Chemicals pose a huge risk to them not only in quality of product, but in reputation and liability. States like Oregon have mandates for testing on medical grade (HB3460). We aren't "trusting hippies", most commercial growers are trained professionals with their livelyhood on the line with every cycle. Sending out chemically enhanced product risks everything, and there are plenty of professionals standing behind them ready to take their place.

Again, this is not the basement growing operation you imagine it to be. lol
 

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I'd definitely buy tomatoes from the the pot farmer. Most of the hippies who grow pot love their plants like children. I'd buy hydroponic tomatoes that aren't organic but grown in a good system without pesticides, the same with marijuana (if it were legal).

I have a hard time believing any serious percentage of marijuana has any additives in it, it works well enough as is. The people who want to soak their weed in stuff or add other drugs, do it purposefully not to harm the consumer or surprise them. The current weed is plenty strong, some of that stuff in Colorado has monster THC, CBD etc content that it'll put you on the moon. Parsing the english language can be difficult after a few tokes of that stuff.

All dispensaries that I know of have their product tested and only purchase from legal, reputable growers. Chemicals pose a huge risk to them not only in quality of product, but in reputation and liability. States like Oregon have mandates for testing on medical grade (HB3460). We aren't "trusting hippies", most commercial growers are trained professionals with their livelyhood on the line with every cycle. Sending out chemically enhanced product risks everything, and there are plenty of professionals standing behind them ready to take their place.

Again, this is not the basement growing operation you imagine it to be. lol

I'm not arguing there aren't "reputable growers" out there. There are. There are also plenty of yahoos who have a "getter done" approach to growing. Fertilizer jugs everywhere, shit spilled all over the ground (which plants then absorb and transmit to their fruit), diesel generators for power, rooms with fried electrical due to overloaded circuits. It's pretty amazing. I also do know that suppliers in say Georgia could give a rats ass where it comes from or how it was grown. Anyhow...

Marijuana Pesticide Contamination Becomes Health Concern As Legalization Spreads

Final point all this Wild West crap just reinforces the argument for legalization in my mind.
 
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