2014 NBA Free Agency and Draft

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I'm just a casual basketball fan but wouldn't the Bulls make some sense for Lebron, assuming Rose is healthy? Rose, Butler, James, Gibson and Noah would play some serious defense with Thibodeau.

I would say it would make sense, however, given all the MJ vs. LeBron (when it's all said and done) talk, it would be highly unlikely for LeBron to end up in Chicago. We already get enough of the comparisons between the two. Could you imagine what it would be if he lost in a place like Chicago? Melo is the more likely option.
 
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If the Warriors could swing that plus get Lebron that's terrifying.

Where was that speculated about? I haven't been following the NBA free agency, and just scanned ESPN's NBA section and didn't see any headlines about that.
 

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Re: LBJ and the Bulls: Rose is potentially Wade 2.0. When was the last healthy season Rose has put together? What if Rose goes down yet again and LBJ is left with that supporting cast? Can they beat the Spurs? OKC? Now Dallas? GSW if they pick up Love?
 
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Re: LBJ and the Bulls: Rose is potentially Wade 2.0. When was the last healthy season Rose has put together? What if Rose goes down yet again and LBJ is left with that supporting cast? Can they beat the Spurs? OKC? Now Dallas? GSW if they pick up Love?

If the rest of the roster stayed in tact, I honestly think adding LBJ to the Bulls even without Rose is better than Miami with LBJ.

Noah and Butler are filthy.
 

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Obviously Miami has proved otherwise (they did have Lebron though, after all), but the limited cap and luxury tax make me think teams won't be going "all in" on a Big 3. It's tough to believe it's a viable model (unless Lebron is one of those 3, and even then, it still may not work out).

A team like Houston with Howard, Harden, and James would literally have no money to spend on any other decent players. And I'm not sure why the media is reporting that multiple teams are fine with taking Asik and/or Lin. The biggest reason Houston couldn't deal Asik this year was because of his contract. While teams may be interested in either of those players, I find it hard to believe that teams actually are interested in them...and paying $15 million a pop for them (not sure what Lin's real number is this year). These were just ridiculous offer sheets and contracts to begin with by Houston.

But then again, Rudy Gay is making 19 million this season, the Kings are in talks to bring in Josh Smith (12 or 14 million?), and the owners have conceded in the last 2 work stoppages in the league that they have to "save themselves...from themselves," so I can also see about 27 of 30 NBA owners or GMs making a stupid move.

The best decision for James was to opt out of his deal, while I think the best decision for Wade and Bosh is to not opt out-- tough to believe any other team would offer either the max deal they already have in place with Miami. I get guys taking less money to go and try and win, but those 2 guys would be giving up 10 or 10's of millions of dollars to play on a new contract AND try and win. That's a shitload of scratch to essentially piss away.

My prediction is that, going forward, the top guys (the very best) like James and Durant will realize they may have to sacrifice a max deal in order to win. But those guys can make up for it with endorsements. Hopefully guys that are top 10ish, top 20ish realize they too can't take max deals (or near max contracts)...and expect to win. So I could see more teams trying to follow in the Spurs footsteps (legitimately-- not just hiring 1 front office guy to run your team or just another assistant coach to be the head coach like about 15 or so teams have done) of getting the players to fully buy into winning. They try and make the love of the game and the love of winning trump everything else-- guys that can and will play hard and play their role.

"Buying a championship" and giving multiple max deals requires astronomical amounts of luck (getting each star to commit to your team, chemistry, lack of injuries, convincing veterans to play for less to fill out the roster, good coaching, etc., etc,), I find it difficult to see the trend continuing. Or at least see it continuing with success.
 

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Not to mention the Bulls hate LBJ, and Noah has been very outspoken about it.
 

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It doesn't really matter since Broussard is reporting Chicago is not one of the top 5 teams LBJ will consider.
 

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There are rumors that LBJ and Melo want to play together in Houston with Dwight Howard. To make it happen Houston would have to trade Harden to either the Knicks or Heat in a S&T.

As a Knicks fan I'm totally good with that if Melo doesn't want to stay.
 

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There are rumors that LBJ and Melo want to play together in Houston with Dwight Howard. To make it happen Houston would have to trade Harden to either the Knicks or Heat in a S&T.

As a Knicks fan I'm totally good with that if Melo doesn't want to stay.

LBJ doesn't care for Dwight.

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This is getting cray. If Lebron and Melo do head West, the East will be an awesome crapshoot (of literal crap) every year, just like in the early 2000's when the East would surrender a yearly sacrificial lamb to the Lakers.
 

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A Pacers-Spurs Finals next year would be awesome, from a purely "nobody gives a shit and ratings would plummet" standpoint.
 

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I would totally watch the Spurs slay the Pacers.

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If Lebron ends up with Melo and Howard or someone of Howard's status, he loses credibility IMO.
 

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Why would anyone of James caliber want to play with Howard?

He's as soft as they come...and is just a good player.

Likewise, I think the blacktop, pick-up player in James would want to play with Anthony, but the I-want-to-be-the-best-and-win player (or the player concerned with his own legacy in the league) in James would want no part of playing with Anthony. He's a black hole when he gets the ball on offense, puts forth little effort on defense, and doesn't make players around him better. He's a total me-first player. Plus, he's a little bitch. He demanded and orchestrated a trade to one specific team, then quit on them and is leaving them when it didn't work out like he thought it would.
 

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It's what he did in 2010.

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If Lebron ends up with Melo and Howard or someone of Howard's status, he loses credibility IMO.

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he doesn't surround himself with a couple other max players he won't win a championship. If he does, he loses credibility.
 

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Why would anyone of James caliber want to play with Howard?

He's as soft as they come...and is just a good player.

Likewise, I think the blacktop, pick-up player in James would want to play with Anthony, but the I-want-to-be-the-best-and-win player (or the player concerned with his own legacy in the league) in James would want no part of playing with Anthony. He's a black hole when he gets the ball on offense, puts forth little effort on defense, and doesn't make players around him better. He's a total me-first player. Plus, he's a little bitch. He demanded and orchestrated a trade to one specific team, then quit on them and is leaving them when it didn't work out like he thought it would.

Yeah if Melo leaves he will immediately be my least favorite player. We gutted our team to get him and if he leaves we are left with dogshit (barring maybe this Harden S&T)
 

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I don't see James going to a Western team. He can get to the Finals on probably any team in the east he decided to join. No hyperbole.
 

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His credibility will forever be in question already.

Best thing he can do is chase rings with other stars, and embrace his role as a villain to many people, warranted or not.

Kobe thrived in that role after he accepted it, and actually won over a lot of haters during his reign as a callous gunner that didn't give a #%^* what people thought, and only wanted to win.
 

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Rumors of Larkin/Dalembert being sent back out in a separate deal.
 

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What's the deal with the Cavs trying to sneak in a zero hour interview/workout with Exum? I understand Embiid was their guy before the injury, but if they fuck this up somehow by not taking Wiggins or Parker, God help Cleveland fans.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Cavs, Kings and Celtics are in trade talks involving Rondo to Sacramento an unnamed players to Cleveland & Boston getting the 1st Pick.</p>— NBA Central (@TheNBACentral) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/statuses/481935501734469632">June 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Between the Celtics and Kings, Rondo is the ONLY player worthy of the first pick, and that doesn't even really blow my hair back.

Cousins is a good piece but way too unpredictable, McLemore is a poor man's Wiggins, and Gay is an OJ Mayo type cap killing stat hound.
 

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Not to mention the Bulls hate LBJ, and Noah has been very outspoken about it.

No offense to Noah, but that's what he's supposed to say. If you're a player in the league and honestly say that Lebron coming to your team doesn't excite you then you don't care much about winning. Hate him all you want but by all accounts he's a gym rat, cares about nothing but winning, is a selfless teammate, and the best player in the game right now.
 

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What's the deal with the Cavs trying to sneak in a zero hour interview/workout with Exum? I understand Embiid was their guy before the injury, but if they fuck this up somehow by not taking Wiggins or Parker, God help Cleveland fans.

Exum is supposed to be under the radar but really good. I would think since word leaked about LBJ wanting Napier that you're not hearing them linked to him..unless its all a smokescreen.
 

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No offense to Noah, but that's what he's supposed to say. If you're a player in the league and honestly say that Lebron coming to your team doesn't excite you then you don't care much about winning. Hate him all you want but by all accounts he's a gym rat, cares about nothing but winning, is a selfless teammate, and the best player in the game right now.

I agree Noah would most likely sing a different tune if Lebron wanted aboard, but it seems Lebron is adamant about playing with friends, and Noah is definitely not a friend.
 

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I agree Noah would most likely sing a different tune if Lebron wanted aboard, but it seems Lebron is adamant about playing with friends, and Noah is definitely not a friend.

That I agree with. If Lebron has a problem it's that he does seem to care about what people think of him. If he could just go Kobe on the world it would be nothing but great for him.
 
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