'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[NDdomer2]

Can we all please just agree that Kizer will not factor into the QB situation. When Golson leaves, Zaire takes over. After that, it's likely a 2016 QB.

I don't agree. Our qb's are going to be asked to carry the ball from here on out. Much higher chance for injury. I just don't see Zaire having career injury free.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't know man. I think he can be a factor. We will have wait and see. I have a hard time labelling any 17-18 years old kid with such strong physical tools and a good head on his shoulder to a non factor. The good news is he will have time to develop, and who knows what his ceiling is.

I hope you're right. I just feel he's behind the 8-ball both in terms of development (not focusing explicitly on football until relatively recently) and timing (only one year removed from Zaire - one year behind no less). Add in the fact that ND has a legit shot at a number of highly skilled QBs in 2016 and I just don't see where he makes his break. Then again, I never saw Rees seeing a meaningful snap...

 

[Bluto]

Why the hell does everyone expect some 18 year old kid to step on campus and start for four years and if they don't they are chopped liver? That's ridiculous. Kizer has all the tools to be a fantastic QB.

 

[ThePiombino]

Why the hell does everyone expect some 18 year old kid to step on campus and start for four years and if they don't they are chopped liver? That's ridiculous. Kizer has all the tools to be a fantastic QB.

I'm not saying he's chopped liver. I'm saying I don't think he'll ever take a meaningful snap.

 

[Bluto]

I'm not saying he's chopped liver. I'm saying I don't think he'll ever take a meaningful snap.

We'll see. That's why they play the game.

 

[aubeirish]

I hope you're right. I just feel he's behind the 8-ball both in terms of development (not focusing explicitly on football until relatively recently) and timing (only one year removed from Zaire - one year behind no less). Add in the fact that ND has a legit shot at a number of highly skilled QBs in 2016 and I just don't see where he makes his break. Then again, I never saw Rees seeing a meaningful snap...

Absolutely. He is very raw. I would like to think that a veteran Kizer would have a leg up over a freshman QB to start for at least 1-2 years. Freshman QBs are very rarely a good idea. It's fun to have a QB start after at least 2-3 years in the system. I'm still having nightmares of TR playing as a freshman. Can you blame me? haha.

 

[ThePiombino]

We'll see. That's why they play the game.

I think you're confusing your sports cliche's, but message noted anyway.

Absolutely. He is very raw. I would like to think that a veteran Kizer would have a leg up over a freshman QB to start for at least 1-2 years. Freshman QBs are very rarely a good idea. It's fun to have a QB start after at least 2-3 years in the system. I'm still having nightmares of TR playing as a freshman. Can you blame me? haha.

HAHA no I can't blame you. You definitely make a good point.

 

[Bluto]

Absolutely. He is very raw. I would like to think that a veteran Kizer would have a leg up over a freshman QB to start for at least 1-2 years. Freshman QBs are very rarely a good idea. It's fun to have a QB start after at least 2-3 years in the system. I'm still having nightmares of TR playing as a freshman. Can you blame me? haha.

Seriously I had a nightmare about him being the starter against Rice. Not kidding. Those late game interceptions ala Stanford last year were soul crushing.

 

[GATTACA!]

Can we all please just agree that Kizer will not factor into the QB situation. When Golson leaves, Zaire takes over. After that, it's likely a 2016 QB.

He's the Koyack of the QB position, just soo much potential.

 

[aubeirish]

Seriously I had a nightmare about him being the starter against Rice. Not kidding. Those late game interceptions ala Stanford last year were soul crushing.

I was at the Stanford game this year, it was pretty painful to watch. It would have been quite the comeback. Love Tommy and his guts, but thank god he graduated.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't agree. Our qb's are going to be asked to carry the ball from here on out. Much higher chance for injury. I just don't see Zaire having career injury free.

Zaire has more meat on his bones than Golson, I think he's sturdier. Thats not to say he won't get injured, but I think he's built better to take a beating. Theres also the fact that Zaire seems to sit in the pocket longer before he takes off, while Golson seems to want to run if his first or second option isn't there.

I'm not saying he's chopped liver. I'm saying I don't think he'll ever take a meaningful snap.

They said the same thing about Rees. You just never know.

 

[Bluto]

I was at the Stanford game this year, it was pretty painful to watch. It would have been quite the comeback. Love Tommy and his guts, but thank god he graduated.

Crazy. I was there too. Would have been one for the ages. Oh well. Seemed like most of the Stanford fans were checking twitter and what not the whole game.

 

[stlnd01]

Who knows if Kizer ever plays or not. But after the QB rollercoaster of the last four seasons, I'd like to have a serviceable one in each class, so that in case the best one cheats on his accounting final and the next best one transfers to Cincinnati and the gutsy third choice gets hurt in the second quarter against USC, we never have to re-experience the Andrew Hendrix Experience (or, even worse, the Nate Montana Experience). That is all.

 

[aubeirish]

Crazy. I was there too. Would have been one for the ages. Oh well. Seemed like most of the Stanford fans were checking twitter and what not the whole game.

Haha, Stanford fans are the most boring ever. It clearly cheered louder when ND did something good. There is one moment in the game where I think everyone cheered in unison is when they announced that Auburn had defeated Bama. Everyone yelled Fuck Saban together. That was quite comical.

 

[ulukinatme]

we never have to re-experience the Andrew Hendrix Experience

Have you ever been experienced?

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It's like he lit the football on fire ala Jimmy that 2nd half and couldn't touch it or move it.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Who knows if Kizer ever plays or not. But after the QB rollercoaster of the last four seasons, I'd like to have a serviceable one in each class, so that in case the best one cheats on his accounting final and the next best one transfers to Cincinnati and the gutsy third choice gets hurt in the second quarter against USC, we never have to re-experience the Andrew Hendrix Experience (or, even worse, the Nate Montana Experience). That is all.

God damn thank you. This thread has been pitiful and you're the only one who has said something of purpose.

The cupboard isn't bare but you always have to build QB depth like one of your guys is going to transfer and one is going to suck. Meaning after Golson leaves, if Kizer is a bust we'll be an injury away from relying on a rookie to play QB. Imagine if we relied on Nate Montana or Hendrix circa last year's USC game to run the offense for half a season. Not pretty.

Barnett isn't a must have but if we don't land a decent QB, we run a small risk of catastrophic consequences at the QB position in the future.

 

[EddytoNow]

I'm not saying he's chopped liver. I'm saying I don't think he'll ever take a meaningful snap.

Kizer hasn't participated in his first practice or attended his first class and you are writing him off? He was a top ten quarterback across the board and a top five dual-threat quarterback this past recruiting season. How soon we forget that a three-star quarterback started three of the last four years, and he started ahead of two four-star recruits and a five-star recruit. Kizer will get his opportunity.

 

[irishff1014]

I hope you're right. I just feel he's behind the 8-ball both in terms of development (not focusing explicitly on football until relatively recently) and timing (only one year removed from Zaire - one year behind no less). Add in the fact that ND has a legit shot at a number of highly skilled QBs in 2016 and I just don't see where he makes his break. Then again, I never saw Rees seeing a meaningful snap...

I think you might want to hold up on that for just a bit.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kizer hasn't participated in his first practice or attended his first class and you are writing him off? He was a top ten quarterback across the board and a top five dual-threat quarterback this past recruiting season. How soon we forget that a three-star quarterback started three of the last four years, and he started ahead of two four-star recruits and a five-star recruit. Kizer will get his opportunity.

Kizer is a project, not someone who is going to push for time from the beginning. Because of that Zaire will have a solid year or two to entrench himself as the #1. By the time, Kizer's time comes, there will likely be a '16 kid with a couple years in the program who wasn't a project, or at least as much as one. I'm not saying Kizer is garbage, but I am saying he's behind the 8-ball. If he sees serious PT, it will be because of injury. That's just my opinion, and I know many of you disagree, but as far as I'm concerned the writing is on the wall for him in that sense.

I think you might want to hold up on that for just a bit.

Meaning?

 

[Irish#1]

Kizer hasn't participated in his first practice or attended his first class and you are writing him off? He was a top ten quarterback across the board and a top five dual-threat quarterback this past recruiting season. How soon we forget that a three-star quarterback started three of the last four years, and he started ahead of two four-star recruits and a five-star recruit. Kizer will get his opportunity.

Stop bringing logic and common sense into this. This site is fueled by emotions, not facts. lol

 

[wizards8507]

This board is generally SUPER down on Kizer and I can't figure it out. Can someone provide the Cliff's Notes for someone who only follows this stuff casually?

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[dublinirish]

This board is generally SUPER down on Kizer and I can't figure it out. Can someone provide the Cliff's Notes for someone who only follows this stuff casually?

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I think he has good potential and seems like a great kid.

People prolly down on him because:
he was a 2nd choice after Kyle Allen picked TAMU
he isn't a natural QB, more of a multi sport guy/athlete

 

[#1rish]

I'm a little confused by the flak Kizer gets on here as well. I mean, aren't a majority of incoming QBs projects? How often do surefire, ready-to-start quarterbacks come along, especially when there are more experienced players ahead of them on the depth chart?

 

[Grahambo]

Kizer has as much experience as Barnett. He's good enough for BK, he's good enough for me. Zero concern with the QB position moving forward and 2016 is looking strong.

Barnett is/was a luxury, not a necessity. Would've been awesome to have him but not a program back breaker.


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[wizards8507]

he isn't a natural QB, more of a multi sport guy/athlete

So Everett Golson plus four inches, forty pounds, and one star?

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[#1rish]

Also, I remember multiple individuals saying how easily coachable he is. I think LaFleur will do wonders for this kid.

 

[Domina Nostra]

So Everett Golson plus four inches, forty pounds, and one star?

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I think its more like Zaire plus...

Golson was setting passing records in high school and beat Clowney's team for the State Championship. The questions for Golson were really only whether he was big enough and whether he was focused enough.

Kizer is an immense talent that is now turning his full-time attention to football. He's not a project in the sense that he is not a natural QB. He's a project in the sense that he was not as focused on one sport before college. His ceiling is super high, but will he have enough time to get there. Kind of like Colin Kapernick.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm a little confused by the flak Kizer gets on here as well. I mean, aren't a majority of incoming QBs projects? How often do surefire, ready-to-start quarterbacks come along, especially when there are more experienced players ahead of them on the depth chart?

Pretty much. Strong programs don't just start freshmen QBs. Unless they're a freakish talent, or the depth chart was weak, a lot of them have to wait till their Sophomore or Junior year before they get on the field.

 

[wizards8507]

I think its more like Zaire plus...

Golson was setting passing records in high school and beat Clowney's team for the State Championship. The question for Golson was really only whether he was big enough and whether he was focused enough.

Kizer is an immense talent that is now turning his full-time attention to football. He's not a project in the sense that he is not a natural QB. He's a project in the sense that he was not as focused on one sport before college. Kind of like Colin Kapernick.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameo...rett-golson-wants-to-play-basketball/1808907/

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[#1rish]

I think its more like Zaire plus...

Golson was setting passing records in high school and beat Clowney's team for the State Championship. The question for Golson was really only whether he was big enough and whether he was focused enough.

Kizer is an immense talent that is now turning his full-time attention to football. He's not a project in the sense that he is not a natural QB. He's a project in the sense that he was not as focused on one sport before college. Kind of like Colin Kapernick.

Great comparison. Both similar and size and skillset. Kaepernick was a highly touted baseball prospect out of HS and had multiple offers but turned them all down because he wanted to focus on football full-time.