SEC hypocrisy over Coaches "guest hosting" camps in their neighborhood

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James Franklin irritates SEC again
Ralph D. Russo, Associated Press; 6:02 p.m. CDT May 28, 2014

DESTIN, Fla. — Southeastern Conference football coaches want the NCAA to close a loophole that allows schools to take part in out-of-state summer camps with high school prospects.

Penn State and new coach James Franklin caused a stir down south when it was announced earlier this month that the Nittany Lions' staff would be working with prospects at Georgia State's camp in Atlanta on June 10.

NCAA rules prohibit schools from running camps out of state more than 50 miles from their campus. Penn State's presence at Georgia State's camp doesn't break the rule because the Nittany Lions are considered guests of the Panthers' staff.

The SEC has a league rule prohibiting coaches from being guests at another school's camp.

"There have been a lot of schools doing that for years," Georgia football coach Mark Richt said Wednesday during SEC spring meetings. "The spirit of that (NCAA) rule is not to have satellite camps all over the place."

SEC coaches are concerned that more schools will be encroaching on their fertile recruiting territory if the rules aren't reformed.

Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin raised the issue last year at SEC meetings. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have routinely partnered with small schools in Texas to make their presence felt in the talent-rich Lone Star State.

Franklin's reach into Georgia brought even more attention to the issue. Franklin moved to Penn State after three seasons at Vanderbilt, where he was able to build recruiting relationships around the South.

Georgia State and coach Trent Miles benefit from the relationship with Penn State by drawing more and better players to their camp.

"To me, what I'm seeing is a loophole in that if another school sponsors a camp — Georgia Camp featuring Penn State coaches — or some Division II schools in Texas featuring Oklahoma's coaches or Oklahoma State's coaches or Texas' coaches and then just barnstorming all around the place," Richt said. "The rule says that everybody's camp should be on their own institution, so it's basically people finding a way around that rule. We think the rule was set for a reason and it ought to stay that way."

Kentucky coach Mark Stoops, who has had great success recruiting in Ohio since taking over the Wildcats after the 2012 season, said if the SEC coaches can't get the NCAA to close the loophole he would prefer the league lift its ban on guest coaching at other campuses.

"I don't want to speak for everybody in the room, but from what I heard in there is most of our coaches would be in favor of at least being on an even playing field," Stoops said.


From what I understand our coaches will be doing the exact same thing at the exact same school (Georgia Southern) in 2015. I for one don't have a problem with this.
 

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"I don't want to speak for everybody in the room, but from what I heard in there is most of our coaches would be in favor of at least being on an even playing field"

Hilarious...
 

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I don't think it's "SEC hypocrisy" so much as it's "SEC hamstrings themselves" by closing the loophole amongst league members. I don't think you would hear a peep if the SEC allowed it's schools to do stuff like this in the Midwest, west, etc.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that there would be plenty of B1G coaches that would get up in arms if Bama got to do a camp at a small school in Michigan, Ohio, etc.
 

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I don't think it's "SEC hypocrisy" so much as it's "SEC hamstrings themselves" by closing the loophole amongst league members. I don't think you would hear a peep if the SEC allowed it's schools to do stuff like this in the Midwest, west, etc.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that there would be plenty of B1G coaches that would get up in arms if Bama got to do a camp at a small school in Michigan, Ohio, etc.

I guess when I say hypocrisy I am talking about Coach Richt trying to say that this is a violation of the spirit of the rule. The kings of finding advantages between the lines of the rule, want to speak to the spirit of the rule here.

Sure BIG coaches don't want BAMA or another SEC school holding camps in their neighborhood, but they aren't as scared of it as the SEC coaches are of opening up their talent rich states to programs from all over the country. That is why they have the ban, they didn't want to open up that Pandora's box, they want to preserve their inherent advantages.
 

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I guess when I say hypocrisy I am talking about Coach Richt trying to say that this is a violation of the spirit of the rule. The kings of finding advantages between the lines of the rule, want to speak to the spirit of the rule here.

Sure BIG coaches don't want BAMA or another SEC school holding camps in their neighborhood, but they aren't as scared of it as the SEC coaches are of opening up their talent rich states to programs from all over the country. That is why they have the ban, they didn't want to open up that Pandora's box, they want to preserve their inherent advantages.

Actually it was our friend at A&M that brought the issue up. Sumlin said the schools in Texas fought this with OU and Okla St "camping" in Texas at small schools.

I personally don't have much issue with what Franklin is doing. Most of the players in the South stay in the South and the 3-4 he may get each year won't matter.
 
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"So it's basically people finding a way around the rule".


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Actually it was our friend at A&M that brought the issue up. Sumlin said the schools in Texas fought this with OU and Okla St "camping" in Texas at small schools.

I personally don't have much issue with what Franklin is doing. Most of the players in the South stay in the South and the 3-4 he may get each year won't matter.

No, but if more B1G 10 teams, and even other conference's teams start doing it, it might start to matter.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to, but I can see why the SEC wouldn't want it.
 

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No, but if more B1G 10 teams, and even other conference's teams start doing it, it might start to matter.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to, but I can see why the SEC wouldn't want it.

I don't really think so. Even if other conferences were able to pull 5-7% of their players from the talent rich South, there is still so many left. Not many of the top 4-5 star players choose to leave. Yes... relationships can be built and inroads made - ND has a few good inroads in Fla now - but by and large the players grow up wanting to play for "their" team in the SEC.

I like the approach Stoops has taken at UK. Go to Ohio and pull those high three star and low four star players from under Ohio State. I could see these satellite camps affording some of the schools from other conferences the ability to do the same. Yeah... Franklin and/or Urban may pull a five star here and there, but it isn't something that will be routine... even with the camps.
 
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