Mark Cuban: "I'm bigoted in a lot of different ways"

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We all make assumptions about others, just not the same assumptions. Saying you don't would mean you're void of any kind of instinctive intuition.

Cuban told the truth about his feelings and I admire that. It's nice to see someone with some guts. I'm sick of all the shit talking hypocrites that want to hold others accountable, but don't walk the talk.
 
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We all make assumptions about others, just not the same assumptions. Saying you don't would mean you're void of any kind of instinctive intuition.

Cuban told the truth about his feelings and I admire that. It's nice to see someone with some guts. I'm sick of all the shit talking hypocrites that want to hold others accountable, but don't walk the talk.


EDIT [Agreed and agreed! Well said! To carry the conversation further I see what you are saying, and without putting any words in your mouth. Please note - BOBD is not responsible for the following :]


Truth does not equal prejudice. Prejudice is a lie. He was talking about his fear and human predisposition, not about any of the groups deserving his negative inferences.

People who don't understand that prejudice is expressing an untruth about a whole homogeneous group, passing it as the truth, are usually the most bigoted individuals out their. Bigotry and prejudice is fueled by ignorance and stupidity, (which are two different things.)
 
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I'm only going to say this and get out of here:

I'm glad Mark Cuban had time enough to get off his 350 ft yacht and tell us that black kids in hoodies freak him out.

Seriously though, when was the last time Cuban ever crossed the street because he was scared of anything? Better 'quite serious' question: When was the last time Mark Cuban crossed any street?

I bet the answer to that last one would be pretty funny.
 

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I'm only going to say this and get out of here:

I'm glad Mark Cuban had time enough to get off his 350 ft yacht and tell us that black kids in hoodies freak him out.

Seriously though, when was the last time Cuban ever crossed the street because he was scared of anything? Better 'quite serious' question: When was the last time Mark Cuban crossed any street?

I bet the answer to that last one would be pretty funny.

Think you're harping on his street example a bit too much and not on everything else that he said...
 

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I'm only going to say this and get out of here:

I'm glad Mark Cuban had time enough to get off his 350 ft yacht and tell us that black kids in hoodies freak him out.

Seriously though, when was the last time Cuban ever crossed the street because he was scared of anything? Better 'quite serious' question: When was the last time Mark Cuban crossed any street?

I bet the answer to that last one would be pretty funny.

^Stereotyping the wealthy
 

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The greed of the "haves" and the envy of the "have-nots" are at the root of a lot of the world's suffering... flip sides of the same coin.
 

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Seems to me that Cuban's comments are rooted in honesty and openness, while Sterling's are rooted in ignorance and hate. I know a lot of people will look at this and just think it's Cuban trying to step back into the spotlight, but I have to applaud him for his own interests and reputation on the line to at least try to start and legitimate, honest conversation about race in this country.

I agree with your assertion that there is a fundamental difference in what Cuban said and what Sterling said, which to me begs the question of what is Cuban's point? If he was saying it to in some way minimize what Sterling said, or say "we all do it", then he is wrong because he is missing the point that what he is saying is fundamentally different. If he can't see THAT and he thinks it is just a question of degree or where the individual draws the line then I think his comments are also bigoted, not for what he said which is a normal human attempt to assess a situation, but for his belief that Sterling was also just making normal human assumptions assessing situations.

If you think he was trying to start an honest conversation about race in America...I think you are being generous. I tend to think he is more insulted that the league or anyone might try to take someone's franchise away for their beliefs. I think he is trying to subtly express his opinion that he doesn't mind a bigot owning an NBA franchise if the alternative is that the league or public opinion can force you to sell. I don't give Cuban that much credit. Nor do I have a big opinion either way about his IMO transparent concern.
 
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I think his point was we all have things that could be viewed in negative lights and he doesn't want to open the door where we revoke ownership according to those various skeletons... I also don't think he was really trying to hide that, was he?
 

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I avoid Auburn fans... they are classless and rude. And they dress horribly. Wait.... that's Bama fans.

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I avoid Auburn fans... they are classless and rude. And they dress horribly. Wait.... that's Bama fans.

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The 57 sec mark has the gold lol

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My minority friends make more assumptions of Caucasians than the other way around. Anyone else experience the same.
 

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My minority friends make more assumptions of Caucasians than the other way around. Anyone else experience the same.

Yeah, it's almost like they have experienced some cultural shock that left them fearful, or something. It's irrational.
 
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My minority friends make more assumptions of Caucasians than the other way around. Anyone else experience the same.

Part of what I was getting at earlier :

A) Stupidity, stupid people are more openly prejudice and less conscious of it.

B) Ignorant people are the same, but with raised awareness the become cognizant of their behaviors and attitudes and can make choices that change their own behavior.

C) Conditioned people can be mistaken for either of the above, but are closer to the example of ignorant people; except they are emotionally or psychologically scarred which is much harder to overcome in changing behavior than simple unawareness is.

C) Poor, repressed, and peoples that have been the victims of prejudice are often locked in to thinking in those terms because their survival depends on it or their world revolves around it. It takes a lot to break that cycle.

D) Underlying everything, slave mentality is still present in the forefront of racial discussions in America.
1) Slave mentality affects the former slaveholders(descendants) perspective as well as former slaves(descendants).

2) Perspectives and social stigma left over from slavery are still prominent in America, and any equality conversation serving to deflect the truth and add to individual ignorance.

3) Slave mentality is as serious as any psychological perspective discussed about human behavior, and as contraintuitive as "Stockholm Syndrome."​
 
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My minority friends make more assumptions of Caucasians than the other way around. Anyone else experience the same.

Eh... Depends on the person, but yeah I have friends that complain about racism and stereotypes then turn around and racially stereotypes the hell out of whites in the next breath...

More than being black, I think its part of that whole being human thing (gingers are still exempt here)...
 

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Part of what I was getting at earlier :

A) Stupidity, stupid people are more openly prejudice and less conscious of it.

B) Ignorant people are the same, but with raised awareness the become cognizant of their behaviors and attitudes and can make choices that change their own behavior.

C) Conditioned people can be mistaken for either of the above, but are closer to the example of ignorant people; except they are emotionally or psychologically scarred which is much harder to overcome in changing behavior than simple unawareness is.

C) Poor, repressed, and peoples that have been the victims of prejudice are often locked in to thinking in those terms because their survival depends on it or their world revolves around it. It takes a lot to break that cycle.

D) Underlying everything, slave mentality is still present in the forefront of racial discussions in America.
1) Slave mentality affects the former slaveholders(descendants) perspective as well as former slaves(descendants).

2) Perspectives and social stigma left over from slavery are still prominent in America, and any equality conversation serving to deflect the truth and add to individual ignorance.

3) Slave mentality is as serious as any psychological perspective discussed about human behavior, and as contraindicated as "Stockholm Syndrome."​

Excellent post. I concur.
 

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.. I think its part of that whole being human thing (gingers are still exempt here)...

All right, confusion and ambiguity have reared their ugly heads.

Are "gingers" exempt from bias against others (for whatever unreasonable reason) or exempt from bias against them by "non-gingers?"

As a former "ginger" (more a "strawberry blonde" – though I still have a few red whiskers in my beard) I am offended and am considering a vClass Action vSuit; dependent on your response to my vInterrogatory.

You may or may not be hearing from my vLawyer

Power to the Gingers, power to the Gingers right now ...
 

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Are "gingers" exempt from bias against others (for whatever unreasonable reason) or exempt from bias against them by "non-gingers?"

Well, since gingers are all witches and known to be evil, I don't see a problem with the bias against and persecution of them.
 

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All right, confusion and ambiguity have reared their ugly heads.

Are "gingers" exempt from bias against others (for whatever unreasonable reason) or exempt from bias against them by "non-gingers?"

As a former "ginger" (more a "strawberry blonde" – though I still have a few red whiskers in my beard) I am offended and am considering a vClass Action vSuit; dependent on your response to my vInterrogatory.

You may or may not be hearing from my vLawyer

Power to the Gingers, power to the Gingers right now ...

Gingers, unite!!!
 

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You can tell a lot by body language and behavior. If I'm anywhere where I'm vulnerable I'm going to be suspicious of everything. If I was walking down a dark street and a woman saw me; I'm sure she'd cross to the other side and be alert. If I see a white person in a area they aren't usually found...I have my assumptions thatre usually correct. The same goes for black, Hispanic, Asian...etc. there's nothing racist or bias about it. It's observation
 

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Well, since gingers are all witches and known to be evil, I don't see a problem with the bias against and persecution of them.

A pox on you!

A pox on your house!

A pox on your children.

And their children.

And your clan, your neighbors – and their children's children's children.

That should hold you for a while.
 
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