'13 IL RB Ty Isaac (Michigan Transfer)

[Booslum31]

Don't know why anyone would not want him at rb.

We haven't had a rb that could beat the pulp out of a defense since Bettis....

The elite teams have backfields like this....so did Holtz!

I would give the kid as many carries as he could handle with our schedule we need fresh bodies every damn week!

It bugged me last year when we were 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 against lesser teams and we couldn't consistently get the first down. Heck, half the time Tommy would drop back to pass. We need us a plow horse to help eat clock with a lead in the fourth qtr. I hope it's true that his mother wanted him to go to ND, however, I think he'll go someplace where he can be the horse immediately.

 

[GoIrish41]

It bugged me last year when we were 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 against lesser teams and we couldn't consistently get the first down. Heck, half the time Tommy would drop back to pass. We need us a plow horse to help eat clock with a lead in the fourth qtr. I hope it's true that his mother wanted him to go to ND, however, I think he'll go someplace where he can be the horse immediately.

Bryant ... when he hits something it moves ... doubt Ty would come to ND short of a RB offer. And i can't see him as an ND RB.

 

[Booslum31]

Bryant ... when he hits something it moves ... doubt Ty would come to ND short of a RB offer. And i can't see him as an ND RB.

I agree about Bryant...well said.

 

[Rocket89]

To scale, the only comparisons in Isaac's favor are rushing TDs and possibly durability. Carlisle was the starter for at least 1 game before he got hurt.

To scale, huh? Not that it really matters but I just thought it was weird you thought Carlisle "showed more" when he had half as many carries and yards as Isaac.

Also, I know it's become message board legend but Carlisle never truly started a game for USC, and he certainly didn't ascend to the starting position only to get injured and miss the rest of the season.

His "start" was in a game against Colorado (Curtis McNeal actually started) in which he got USC's first carry, then didn't get the ball again until the second half. Three-quarters of his season production came in this one game, mostly in garbage time.

Yes, Carlisle was banged up most of the year and Kiffin had nice things to say about him. He didn't show more than Isaac.

 

[NDinL.A.]

What about Carlisle? He showed more for USC in his year than Isaac did.

He's an outlier. No idea how he got cleared for that. Maybe he had dirt on Kiffin?

Wouldn't you be pissed if Kelly let Folston transfer to USC?

My guess is that Carlisle's dad has enough respect in the CFB community that USC wouldn't want to alienate him.

USC, under Haden, hasn't usually restricted transfers. They feel it does more harm than good and that it's best not to alienate future recruits. Kiffin agreed with this and it showed in his recruiting when he would allow and even encourage commits to take visits. I don't know how Sark feels about this, but I'm pretty sure Haden won't restrict Isaac's transfer, even if it is to ND (he has a ton of respect for Notre Dame).

Sorry mrob, and no offense meant because I've been having this conversation with USC fans for over 2 years, but you are completely wrong here. I give the case of Amir Carlisle vs. Kyle Prater:

Amir was WAY better than Kyle Prater. Not even close. I saw Prater at a scrimmage at USC and just wasn't very good, shockingly. But with Amir, Kiffin couldn't stop singing his praises. He even started a game as a true freshman and went for over 100 yds I believe, but he got hurt and was never the same. Prater though...he never cracked even the two-deep.

So then Amir asks to transfer and is granted his release to ND, but Prater isn't. Hmmmmmm. Why would you let the better player go to your rival and the the worse player? The back story is that something went down with Amir at USC. I haven't been able to get anyone 'in the know' to tell me exactly what went wrong (they say it wasn't hazing, but it sounds like some sort of bullying or something, but both parties involved decided it would be better for everyone if it didn't go public. And this has been confirmed with me by a few members of The Peristyle (Rivals). The result was that Amir was allowed to transfer to ND because of homesickness (seriously, if he wanted to be close to family, why wouldn't he go to Purdue where his dad worked?), but Prater was shit out of luck.

This has been brewing for awhile. I forget which IE members I told but MF at ISD told us at a lunch in early January that Ty was trying to transfer out. Surprised it took this long. And while he's claiming his mom is sick, and hopefully she has a speedy recovery btw, USC insiders say he is homesick, he dislikes the new scheme, and he knows touches will be scarce.

COunt me in on those who want him at outside LB and not RB. He was dinged up the entire year at USC, and while he showed flashes at RB, I've always thought he'd be a better OLB...

 

[NDdomer2]

no cam next year

my guess is just tarean and bryant with PT the year Isaac would be eligible.

mahone with injuries every year so far. bryants already needed a "procedure"

unless the staff absolutely feels they can land a ready to play play rb this class, i don't see why you wouldn't take this kid.

then, if down the road he sees the light at olb like barr then still a positive.

and to la on homesickness/pt. they usually go hand in hand dont they? who has time to think about home when youre the bmoc

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't feel like two 5stars and a high 4star would be happy splitting carries three ways. Regardless of situation. I think Isaac should be open to playing defense. Just my immediate gut opinion.

 

[TheChosen1]

I'm all for this kid coming to ND if they can take him. I think he has to be open to a position change, especially if we initially told him not interested and he is still in contact with us. I also think this will happen quick wherever he goes.

 

[stlnd01]

I also think this will happen quick wherever he goes.

Especially if he plans to enroll in August. And summer practice isn't that far off.
I'd think we can take him at RB if he has to sit a year. If he can play this fall and he's set on RB, I can see why he'd go elsewhere (though weren't we still in on him after Bryant and Folston had committed?). But if he's open to LB, why not? Worth a shot regardless.

 

[Irishman77]

You don't turn down a Anthony Barr/Derrick Henry!

Full court press!

 

[tussin]

Well if he's interested in earnings, he better go to NW or ND.

Side note, I looked up NW and ND's MBA programs yesterday and today. NW's costs between 89,000 and 115,000, and ND's is ~$90,000.

My lord, how some of you afford that, lol.

That is just the tuition cost of the school. The true cost of getting an MBA at an elite university is probably somewhere around ~$200K.

 

[irishog77]

Is Isaac enrolled at ND yet?

 

[dublinirish]

Is Isaac enrolled at ND yet?

he's already taking hand off's against Rice as we speak

 

[Irish Insanity]

I thought the order was just to get these type of athletes on the team first, and figure out where they can help us most second. Let's start by just getting him here.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought the order was just to get these type of athletes on the team first, and figure out where they can help us most second. Let's start by just getting him here.

The problem with that thinking is that if an elite athlete demands to play only one position (which is pure speculation at this point), then I have no problem with Coach BK not offering the last scholarship.

 

[Cackalacky]

SIAP but I read where Scott Schrader, in a 24/7 article, said that Ty would be available in 2014.

 

[rtrn2glory]

SIAP but I read where Scott Schrader, in a 24/7 article, said that Ty would be available in 2014.

well ya, since when has a transfer had to sit out a year???

=)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In reviewing the posts on this thread, I found one aspect confusing. Maybe it is just semantics. Or maybe posters have two different ideas.

My understanding is that USC is granting him an unconditional release, and once the papers are signed, he can go anywhere to play. In other words, if a D1 school releases a kid, he can play anywhere immediately.

A conditional release would specify schools he cannot play at immediately, but the player would be eligible at any non-specified D1 school. For example the SEC has a conference rule that any released player cannot play at another SEC school without sitting out 2 years, so all SEC school releases are conditional by conference charter.

So I understood that Ty and Amir are in the boat of getting unconditional releases, and Kyle did not, is that correct?

 

[dublinirish]

So I understood that Ty and Amir are in the boat of getting unconditional releases, and Kyle did not, is that correct?

Amir got an unconditional release.
I think Ty's release status is unconfirmed at this point.
Prater's release forbid him from transferring to another Pac12 school or ND..

 

[ab2cmiller]

JC Shurburtt was on Bill King's show this morning and he said it's his understanding that the release is unconditional, but in the same breath he said we will just have to wait and see to know for sure.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That is the whole conversation then.

And no one is going to show interest from ND, nor is Ty going to say a straight word about anyone he is serious about until the release is inked, and dried in his hand!

 

[Cackalacky]

In reviewing the posts on this thread, I found one aspect confusing. Maybe it is just semantics. Or maybe posters have two different ideas.

My understanding is that USC is granting him an unconditional release, and once the papers are signed, he can go anywhere to play. In other words, if a D1 school releases a kid, he can play anywhere immediately.

A conditional release would specify schools he cannot play at immediately, but the player would be eligible at any non-specified D1 school. For example the SEC has a conference rule that any released player cannot play at another SEC school without sitting out 2 years, so all SEC school releases are conditional by conference charter.

So I understood that Ty and Amir are in the boat of getting unconditional releases, and Kyle did not, is that correct?

As I understand it, the SEC rule says what you said; however, they can transfer to a FCS school, play immediately, then transfer to a FBS (including SEC schools), and play (bypassing the 2 year rule). I believe Kamara from Alabama is currently doing this process.

I also think that being granted the ability to transfer out and play without sitting a year is part of an appeal process due to significant issues, such as with Amir and He who shall not be named and is not a part of the restrictions of transfer agreed to by the school and player.

 

[dublinirish]

As I understand it, the SEC rule says what you said; however, they can transfer to a JUCO school, play immediately, then transfer to a FBS (including SEC schools), and play (bypassing the 2 year rule). I believe Kamara from Alabama is currently doing this process.

I also think that being granted the ability to transfer out and play without sitting a year is part of an appeal process due to significant issues, such as with Amir and He who shall not be named and is not a part of the restrictions of transfer agreed to by the school and player.

FIFY

 

[Cackalacky]

FIFY

Thanks.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

As I understand it, the SEC rule says what you said; however, they can transfer to a FCS school, play immediately, then transfer to a FBS (including SEC schools), and play (bypassing the 2 year rule). I believe Kamara from Alabama is currently doing this process.

I also think that being granted the ability to transfer out and play without sitting a year is part of an appeal process due to significant issues, such as with Amir and He who shall not be named and is not a part of the restrictions of transfer agreed to by the school and player.

Any Division 1 player can transfer to any non-Division 1 school, FBS, D2, D3, or JC without penalty, any time.

Historically, transferring after playing a year, and after signing a letter before reporting have been held as different cases, and treated entirely differently. When you think about it the former looks more like natural attrition, the latter, the school did something for the recruit, (save a place) and the recruit did nothing in return for the school.

There is a big difference between conditional releases, and schools that won't release a player. (As opposed to unconditional releases.)

 

[phork]

Sam Webb said on today's recruiting roundup that Isaac had received a release to 17 schools. Michigan is on the list; Notre Dame and OSU are not. There's definite Michigan interest:

Oh Oh.

Also:

I won't share specific paywalled info, but will confirm (since Brian already said in pretty unequivocal terms above) that ND will not be an option.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Wonder why they would say yes to Michigan but no to pOSU?

 

[gkIrish]

Lol unless I missed something everyone went bonkers with absolutely 0 credible info that we were under consideration.

 

[phork]

Wonder why they would say yes to Michigan but no to pOSU?

Probably because USC has a better chance to play OSU in the RoseBowl... Lolz.

 

[dublinirish]

Lol unless I missed something everyone went bonkers with absolutely 0 credible info that we were under consideration.

haha yeah..it's cos we wants it so bad!