'14 CA WR Alex Egurbide (PWO Offer)

[IrishLax]

Wide Receiver
Thousand Oaks, CA
Westlake

Measurables
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 200
40: guessing about 4.7ish

Stats
2012:
2013:
2014:

Rankings
247 Composite: 77.19 Rating

Offers
Harvard
Cornell
Penn
Yale

Northwestern (PWO)
Minnesota (PWO)
Purdue (PWO)
Notre Dame (PWO)

Highlights
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[IrishLax]

Very slender and sadly does not appear to have the frame for TE. Shows very decent-to-good speed and quickness for a TE, as well as good ball skills. Likely too slow to contribute as a legit BCS level WR, but would be a very good add for a PWO.

VERY smart kid who was heavily recruited by the Ivy League.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Jees his SAT, ACT and GPA. Life is not fair.

 

[gkIrish]

You know that your my homie, right?

I agree to an extent that the Big 3 are in their own league, that being said, the Cornell and Penn's of the league are not on the same page with Notre Dame, imo. Cornell specifically has a tremendous alumni base. They aren't way off of Notre Dame, but I still see a difference. Also, have you ever been to Ithaca? I freaking love that town. Way nicer than South Bend (which I do like, btw) in my opinion.

The weather in Ithaca is worse than South Bend and that's hard to do. Anyway, not really relevant to the original discussion. I agree with Lax (not his tone) that there are a multitude of reasons why someone could realistically choose ND over Harvard without it being a childish decision. Especially if they just want to compete against better competition in practice so they can be a better football player.

I spent a bachelor party weekend with Jeremy Lin's former roommate (who was on the Harvard football team), and he was telling me that the fact that he played football was pretty meaningless to his reputation on campus and whatnot and didn't really help him at all with job opportunities. Obviously his Harvard degree helped but playing football was no added bonus. Playing football at ND is something you can talk about in interviews and raise some eyebrows.

 

[gkIrish]

Also, I used to live in the dorms with Mike Anello (the walk-on that became a special teams stud) and he is now running a huge St. Baldrick's charity every year that has thousands of donors/participants. Would absolutely not be possible without the connections he made on the football team and the relatively small press he got as a walk-on.

 

[Luckylucci]

This. This kid doesn't have the skills to compete against the kind of talent that ND brings in every year. He does have the skill to see the field at Harvard and get a world class education to boot. Plus, I'm assume the offer from Harvard is a full ride and he'd be paying his own way at ND. There just isn't a question that you head to the Ivy League if you are this kid.

I'm not getting into the debate about whether it's a good idea for him to or not but the exact same thing was said about Schmidt. I highly doubt you were on here talking about how he was the future MLB, just saying.

 

[CanadalovesND]

If he wants to come to ND, why does it really matter. It's a great decision.

Sure, popular belief is that the Ivy League schools have a lot more luster and shine over most schools in the US, but ND, as we all know, is also a damn good school that can compete with the Ivies in quite a few ways, academically and with network connections. Maybe not to the same degree but still very respectable.

As long as he doesn't mind (or shall i shall his parents) the high tuition costs, and understands he may never see any playing time, then there shouldn't be any issue.

The dude wants to play football and receive a degree (probably masters too) from the University of Notre Dame.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm not getting into the debate about whether it's a good idea for him to or not but the exact same thing was said about Schmidt. I highly doubt you were on here talking about how he was the future MLB, just saying.

Honestly, (I know I'm going to take heat for this) I'm still very nervous that Schmidt is the presumed starter at ILB. I hope he is successful, but the fact that that is where the program is with regard to the center of our defense is not a good thing, IMHO. We should have crazed, meat eating maulers waiting in the wings at ILB but instead we have an undersized question mark who understands the new system better than guys with more athletic ability. GK gave every team we face the blueprint to defeat our defence during a recent press conference. Run right at Schmidt. Again, I hope my concerns are unfounded, but Schmidt is an unsettled question in my mind going into next season.

 

[IrishLax]

This. This kid doesn't have the skills to compete against the kind of talent that ND brings in every year. He does have the skill to see the field at Harvard and get a world class education to boot. Plus, I'm assume the offer from Harvard is a full ride and he'd be paying his own way at ND. There just isn't a question that you head to the Ivy League if you are this kid.

I doubt that, thought I guess his profile makes it a bit unclear. Ivies don't give out athletic scholarships, so any full ride he'd be on would have to be entirely need based (or merit based, but unless you're some savant pianist or theoretical physicist that's a very long shot).

Right now, my understanding is that he wouldn't be receiving much or any need based financial aid to the Ivies. So he's paying his way at every one of his options.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Hey...I understand deleting the other post, but mine should have been left alone lol.

 

[IrishLax]

Per ISD, now looks like he will likely choose Purdue. Had basically broken it down to ND, Minnesota, and Purdue... and it looks like Purdue is making the most promises in terms of PT and earning a scholarship early. From previous information, sounds like ND didn't really put forth a strong effort on his visit (coaches out of town, etc.) relative to some other places that saw him as a bigger priority.

 

[woolybug25]

Geez… I hope he at least is an engineering major.

He turned down a Harvard offer to go to Purdue, in hopes that he can eventually earn a scholarship. I won't go any further into it than that (it was unpleasant last time), but let that sit in for a minute.

 

[IrishLax]

Geez… I hope he at least is an engineering major.

He turned down a Harvard offer to go to Purdue, in hopes that he can eventually earn a scholarship. I won't go any further into it than that (it was unpleasant last time), but let that sit in for a minute.

He's clearly putting a huge emphasis on playing BCS football. Whether or not that's smart for a player of his caliber is another question, but most data on matriculation from CFB to the NFL would tell you it's a poor long term investment. But yeah, like you said, if he's an engineer it may be sort of a moot point in the long run.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I doubt that, thought I guess his profile makes it a bit unclear. Ivies don't give out athletic scholarships, so any full ride he'd be on would have to be entirely need based (or merit based, but unless you're some savant pianist or theoretical physicist that's a very long shot).

Right now, my understanding is that he wouldn't be receiving much or any need based financial aid to the Ivies. So he's paying his way at every one of his options.

Not sure where this is coming from. I had merit based scholarships from Harvard and Brown without being a "savant". I could however dunk a basketball and shoot the 3. They recruit a different way, but they do recruit.

 

[IrishLax]

Not sure where this is coming from. I had merit based scholarships from Harvard and Brown without being a "savant". I could however dunk a basketball and shoot the 3. They recruit a different way, but they do recruit.

For recruited athletes at Ivies, you are not allowed to receive any aid that isn't need based or academic merit based. That's part of the mission statement of the Ivy League... that no scholarship money is given based on athletic merit. The 'savant' part was really just speaking in hyperbole, there are lots of ways to earn merit scholarships.

But getting a "merit" scholarship because you can shoot a 3 or row well is entirely against the rules, and very interesting to me. Any way you can PM me specifics?

 

[IrishLax]

Officially headed to Purdue:

Today I committed to play FBS football at Purdue University, where I will also study engineering at one of the top ten engineering programs in the U.S. I feel so blessed to have this opportunity.

Took what he considered was his best combo of playing time at a major conference FBS team + opportunity to quickly earn a scholarship + best engineering. Purdue went after him a lot harder than ND did from a recruiting standpoint. Good for him, and good luck.

 

[Emcee77]

I wonder if we didn't push for him because we already have Keenan Centlivre as a PWO TE/WR type in this class. Not sure how bad we needed two such guys.

 

[IrishLax]

Not for engineering.

Yeah, engineering is an absolute afterthought at every Ivy but Cornell. Columbia and Princeton both have some very good programs too (although, IMO, Princeton is VERY overrated). All the other ones... simply put, almost none of their engineering majors do any actual "engineering" after graduation. Consulting, engineering management for large corporations, Wall Street, med school, etc. is where they matriculate to by and large. A very small minority due any true engineering, and frankly their curriculums don't prepare you well for it either. As a Dartmouth professor once told me: "If you want to design widgets, Dartmouth is not a good school for you. If you want to run the company that designs widgets, then this is where you want to be."

To be fair, same thing applies to Notre Dame, where engineering is also an afterthought. I don't even know where our college of engineering falls for undergrad... I'm guessing somewhere in the 40s or 50s.

 

[Cackalacky]

To be fair, same thing applies to Notre Dame, where engineering is also an afterthought. I don't even know where our college of engineering falls for undergrad... I'm guessing somewhere in the 40s or 50s.

I looked at ND for graduate school but I did not get glowing comments from advisers about pursuing a Masters in Civil Engineering at ND. I asked tons of people I worked with, my professors, their professors etc.. I wanted anyone to tell me to go there, but it never came.

Also, as far as a Civil degree at a school with no doctorate offered, The Citadel came in at #6 nationally, this past year (US News ).

FWIW, Purdue was up there in virtually all categories (Civil, Environmental, Structural, Biomedical, Chemical, Mechanical).

 

[IrishLax]

I looked at ND for graduate school but I did not get glowing comments from advisers about pursuing a Masters in Civil Engineering at ND. I asked tons of people I worked with, my professors, their professors etc.. I wanted anyone to tell me to go there, but it never came.

Also, as far as a Civil degree at a school with no doctorate offered, The Citadel came in at #6 nationally, this past year (US News ).

FWIW, Purdue was up there in virtually all categories (Civil, Environmental, Structural, Biomedical, Chemical, Mechanical).

Yeah, all of my professors told us (civil engineering, concentration structural) straight up to GTFO if we were seriously looking at masters/Ph.D. They basically said "ND was a good choice for undergrad because you get a well-rounded education at a nationally renowned school that can enable you to do a lot of different things in a lot of different disciplines... if you want to practice engineering seriously and are looking for a masters, go to an engineering-centric school with strong research. Doubling down on ND is a bad choice relative to other options you have with intelligence and academic profile as ND students." Basically, the premise was that if you were smart enough to get into ND and succeed in engineering, then you're capable of getting into many graduate programs across the country that are WAY better than the comparable program at ND.

ND is a really great school for undergrad and certain majors (a lot of great liberal arts, great business, some very strong science programs...). Most grad school programs totally suck, we don't have a med school (thanks, Indiana state laws), and engineering just doesn't have the research/resources you look for in a top school.

 

[Irish#1]

I wonder if we didn't push for him because we already have Keenan Centlivre as a PWO TE/WR type in this class. Not sure how bad we needed two such guys.

No heavy push because he would basically just play during jump balls in the EZ.