'15 IN OT Adam Solomon

[Irishnuke]

This is interesting. Maybe I'm just blinded by the rankings but it seems to me we can do a lot better at OT than this guy.

 

[RuntheBall]

What concerns me more than rankings is the offer sheet. He has lower tier Big 10 offers. Not even MSU or UM, or PSU/OSU. Has he picked up steam recently? Why has no one else offered?

 

[Irishnuke]

What concerns me more than rankings is the offer sheet. He has lower tier Big 10 offers. Not even MSU or UM, or PSU/OSU. Has he picked up steam recently? Why has no one else offered?

Michigan State hasn't offered?

 

[Irish Man3]

I'm not worried about it. We're so deep and talented at OL, it's just not a concern in my mind. If he comes to camp and earns an offer ala Bonner last year, what else matters? Bonners ranking sucked but the staff so him in person and decided to offer. There's still ample time and multiple offers coming Solomon's way.

 

[koonja]

I'm not worried about it. We're so deep and talented at OL, it's just not a concern in my mind. If he comes to camp and earns an offer ala Bonner last year, what else matters? Bonners ranking sucked but the staff so him in person and decided to offer. There's still ample time and multiple offers coming Solomon's way.

Have to be greedy though. Our OL recruiting recently is on Alabama's level. They don't call it good just because they have so much talent at a position. They just get another star player for depth.

I haven't see his film, only his rankings and offer sheet, and unless he's just way under the radar, it seems like someone we could get to commit later on if need be. I doubt he's at the top of the coaches board, but what do I know.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Have to be greedy though. Our OL recruiting recently is on Alabama's level. They don't call it good just because they have so much talent at a position. They just get another star player for depth.

I haven't see his film, only his rankings and offer sheet, and unless he's just way under the radar, it seems like someone we could get to commit later on if need be. I doubt he's at the top of the coaches board, but what do I know.

Caleb Gulledge at Prattville
Montel McBride
Bradley Bozeman at Handley
Brandon Hill at St. George's Independent School

 

[koonja]

Caleb Gulledge at Prattville
Montel McBride
Bradley Bozeman at Handley
Brandon Hill at St. George's Independent School

Yeah, you must have missed the part where I said 'offers'. Those that you mentioned didn't have the high rankings, but at least had some offers from elite programs.

1) Bama, FSU (was a juco I assume since he joined in June?)
2) Bama, FSU, Auburn
3) Ole Miss, Bama, Clemson, Auburn (also Juco?)
4) Bama, Ole Miss, Georgia, Miss St., etc.

Solomon doesn't yet have an offer from an elite program. Unless you're giving Toledo too much credit because you live there .

 

[Irish#1]

I think it's safe to say that the staff likes him, but feels they can do better, hence the lack of an offer at the moment. I would think they want to get him on campus and see what he can do just to be sure before they make a final decision.

 

[gkIrish]

It's sort of a catch-22 when you look at things in terms of offers.

"Don't offer until other schools offer"

But if every good school looked at it this way, no one would ever offer.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yeah, you must have missed the part where I said 'offers'. Those that you mentioned didn't have the high rankings, but at least had some offers from elite programs.

1) Bama, FSU (was a juco I assume since he joined in June?)
2) Bama, FSU, Auburn
3) Ole Miss, Bama, Clemson, Auburn (also Juco?)
4) Bama, Ole Miss, Georgia, Miss St., etc.

Solomon doesn't yet have an offer from an elite program. Unless you're giving Toledo too much credit because you live there .

Yeah, you must have missed the part where one looks at a calendar and sees "March."

 

[koonja]

Yeah, you must have missed the part where one looks at a calendar and sees "March." As in, we are 1/12 of the way through this recruiting year.

So what? Lots of players are already sporting 30+ offers already, Solomon doesn't have a strong offer, combined with low rankings and how picky we can be? I say wait. See what happens with interest elsewhere and how Solomon camps.

I guess I don't understand your point in commenting the way you did. You think we should take Solomon right now, because Alabama has taken OL that are rated under '90' in the past, regardless of the fact they had better offers?

You don't think we should be selective just because we have really good depth? Why take a chance on a project if you don't have to. We have serious intersest in a number of 2015 OL that have better rankings and offers than Solomon right now.

 

[tussin]

Every single one of Buster's posts reads like it was written by a teenage girl on their period.

 

[OCIrish]

Well.......both of the Martin brothers were from Chatard, were 3* rated kids, and did not have the most impressive of offer lists......I'm not saying he's gonna turn out like Zack and Nick, but he could turn out even better.

 

[Grahambo]

So what? Lots of players are already sporting 30+ offers already, Solomon doesn't have a strong offer, combined with low rankings and how picky we can be? I say wait. See what happens with interest elsewhere and how Solomon camps.

I guess I don't understand your point in commenting the way you did. You think we should take Solomon right now, because Alabama has taken OL that are rated under '90' in the past, regardless of the fact they had better offers?

You don't think we should be selective just because we have really good depth? Why take a chance on a project if you don't have to. We have serious intersest in a number of 2015 OL that have better rankings and offers than Solomon right now.

Bolded #1: I'm guessing the staff could care less who offered who and what their ranking is so while we may salivate over a , they look at it differently.

Bolded #2: I can't think of names off the top of my head but have we not been burned before by this wait and see approach?

Bolded #3: The problem I have with a saying like this is that its really not up to ND. Sure, there are kids out there who would jump on ND's offer but a lot of high profile players have it easy. They can choose between the elite programs so it's really not up to ND, no matter how selective they are. Sure, be selective to a point but you can't wait around forever.

I don't have a problem with what you said, just presenting my vision of the flip side.

 

[Rack Em]

Every single one of Buster's posts reads like it was written by a teenage girl on their period.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So what? Lots of players are already sporting 30+ offers already, Solomon doesn't have a strong offer, combined with low rankings and how picky we can be? I say wait. See what happens with interest elsewhere and how Solomon camps.

I guess I don't understand your point in commenting the way you did. You think we should take Solomon right now, because Alabama has taken OL that are rated under '90' in the past, regardless of the fact they had better offers?

You don't think we should be selective just because we have really good depth? Why take a chance on a project if you don't have to. We have serious intersest in a number of 2015 OL that have better rankings and offers than Solomon right now.

Dude, I see what you're saying, but O-line is WAY different than any other position. Stanford and Wisconsin have made a living off of low-rated o-linemen with few offers. Some of Bama's best linemen were lowly rated. Some of the top linemen drafted the past decade have been 2 and 3 stars. It's such a crapshoot.

So if the coaches see his film and are pleased, and then he comes to camp and kills it and shows a nasty attitude, fuck the offers and rankings, you offer him and take his commitment. End of story.

The other thing is, no matter what anyone says, Tillery's actions say that he is not 1000%. So if I'm ND, if I end up liking Solomon, I take his commitment and I still recruit the hell out of a couple elite linemen, just in case Tillery bolts to LSU. If he sticks, then we're good with our 3. But I don't want to be stuck with just one lineman bc we struck out with an elite one and Tillery bolted.

That's the way I'd be looking at it, anyway.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I think it's safe to say that the staff likes him, but feels they can do better, hence the lack of an offer at the moment. I would think they want to get him on campus and see what he can do just to be sure before they make a final decision.

This sounds about right.

 

[koonja]

Grahmbo -

I agree. See, Justin Brent. But I don't know how the staff feels and everytime I give my opinion on film, people freak out, lol. So I'm trying to go by rankings and offers from now on.

Definately and way too many times. But OL is such an anomoly in this class. Having 2 committed + only 1 availble spot + a lot of interest from higher rated/offered guys + the fact that it's March? That's a recipe to be extremely selective IMO, with little risk of not landing a damn good OL for the 3rd spot.

Again, true. But see above comment. So early, lots of interest, for 1 spot. If our summer visits and fall visits don't go well, go all in on Solomon. But until the OL visit for the Michigan game, which I expect will be the big visit day, I'm fine with them waiting for 1 or 2 top dogs for OL. Stay in contact with him, stay honest with him, and if it's October and we're not leading for a couple of elite OL, go all in with a guy like Solomon.

 

[WestCoast]

Every single one of Buster's posts reads like it was written by a teenage girl on their period.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Every single one of Buster's posts reads like it was written by a teenage girl on their period.

Maybe it is because you read every post like a teenage boy with blue balls.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Grahmbo -

I agree. See, Justin Brent. But I don't know how the staff feels and everytime I give my opinion on film, people freak out, lol. So I'm trying to go by rankings and offers from now on.

Definately and way too many times. But OL is such an anomoly in this class. Having 2 committed + only 1 availble spot + a lot of interest from higher rated/offered guys + the fact that it's March? That's a recipe to be extremely selective IMO, with little risk of not landing a damn good OL for the 3rd spot.

Again, true. But see above comment. So early, lots of interest, for 1 spot. If our summer visits and fall visits don't go well, go all in on Solomon. But until the OL visit for the Michigan game, which I expect will be the big visit day, I'm fine with them waiting for 1 or 2 top dogs for OL. Stay in contact with him, stay honest with him, and if it's October and we're not leading for a couple of elite OL, go all in with a guy like Solomon.

Grahambo had a great post and I repped him. You have some great points.

Remember, of all the position groups Harry is getting who he wants.

ND does have the three highest O-line class ratings in the country, over these last three years.

ND will put both starters that exhausted their eligibility in the NFL this year, one in a prestige round it looks like.

The o-lines performance has become one of the most consistent of the position groups. As a team with an immobile quarterback, and complex reads, the line only gave up six sacks for the season. This is unheard of for the number of pass attempts we made.

With the quarterback woes, and the lack of mature running backs, (Atkinson dropped in quality, CWood did what he did, surrendering a year of eligibility, and Greg Bryant obviously needed to medical last year), there no reason to lay the running game problems entirely on the O-line.

I think it all boils down to HH gets what HH wants. Because one coach that will know if this offense does reach critical mass, it started with HH and the men in the trenches.

I could even see a scenario if the right two come along that ND could conceivably take both.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I was trying also to add the point that last year was a watershed for the offensive line. And Stanford was the gold standard for preparing a line to play despite serious injuries. I think any game a line does as well as ND did against a good defense like that, your line coach is doing something, really right.

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe it is because you read every post like a teenage boy with blue balls.

 

[Irishman77]

Every single one of Buster's posts reads like it was written by a teenage girl on their period.

Wonder if this ends up being the most repped post in 2014...but hey it's only March!

 

[koonja]

Maybe it is because you read every post like a teenage boy with blue balls.

Bogs, you'll have to do better than that. You're talking to THE man with the hottest WAG of 2014! Lol.

 

[Luckylucci]

Dude, I see what you're saying, but O-line is WAY different than any other position. Stanford and Wisconsin have made a living off of low-rated o-linemen with few offers. Some of Bama's best linemen were lowly rated. Some of the top linemen drafted the past decade have been 2 and 3 stars. It's such a crapshoot.

So if the coaches see his film and are pleased, and then he comes to camp and kills it and shows a nasty attitude, fuck the offers and rankings, you offer him and take his commitment. End of story.

The other thing is, no matter what anyone says, Tillery's actions say that he is not 1000%. So if I'm ND, if I end up liking Solomon, I take his commitment and I still recruit the hell out of a couple elite linemen, just in case Tillery bolts to LSU. If he sticks, then we're good with our 3. But I don't want to be stuck with just one lineman bc we struck out with an elite one and Tillery bolted.

That's the way I'd be looking at it, anyway.

I think Adam in Tillery's insurance. This will be interesting to follow. ISD has been right so much it's hard to doubt them but TJ said we are going to play for somebody elite (he gave a list and he wasn't part of it)and see how that goes. If I put these two together I come up with Tillery insurance or maybe one is right and one is wrong.

 

[Luckylucci]

Let me add I think Adam is a fine player and wouldn't be mad with him being a part of our team. I just like following different opinions early and seeing how they play out. Personally I'd rather have a few different guys but wouldn't be upset about the addition.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think Adam in Tillery's insurance. This will be interesting to follow. ISD has been right so much it's hard to doubt them but TJ said we are going to play for somebody elite (he gave a list and he wasn't part of it)and see how that goes. If I put these two together I come up with Tillery insurance or maybe one is right and one is wrong.

didn't see TJ's list in intel....who was on it? must have overlooked it my bad.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, 3 seems to be the number this cycle at OL. With that said when asked what mold the 3rd OL might look like this was TJ's response.

An OT.

Preferably someone like a Keenan Walker, Martez Ivey, Jake Fruhmorgen, possibly Sterling Jenkins or Zach Robertson. Still evaluating a number of top guys here, so could be someone else.

-That would lead me to believe that Okun probably doesn't get a committable offer on his March visit.

I posted this on Feb. 19th in The Master List thread. He did leave it open for someone else but Im sticking with what I said earlier.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogs, you'll have to do better than that. You're talking to THE man with the hottest WAG of 2014! Lol.

Don't think so. Just think of what you said for a minute. The implications are staggering!