'12 IN S John Turner (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[BGIF]

Any chance Turner gets a look at ILB?

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Is this strictly a TT question or is there real smoke out there?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Any chance Turner gets a look at ILB?

Freshman Year:
Height: 6' 2
Weight: 209

Sophomore Year: (Spring Game)
Height: 6' 2
Weight: 220

Long arms - Rangy player in space. If he could put on another 20/25 lbs he could fit the profile.

Obviously, he could be a special teams and WR guy as well.

I want to see him used at DOG. As soon as we signed Redfield, I thought one of Barratti, Prosise, or Turner should move there. Turner seems to make the most sense as he'll have no impact on safety depth.

 

[NDdomer2]

Domina - as I am sure you are aware Prosise is on O now so I odnt know if we need to move Turner but I think, like you, most people think his best chance at ever seeing the field is making the move to LB.

If he gains ~10lbs a year (current pace) it would look like this:

Frosh: 209
RS Fresh: 220
RS Soph: 230
RS Jr: 240
RS Sr: 250

I don't see any reason why by this kids RS Junior year he couldn't step in and provide quality depth.

Is that the plan of the coaching staff? I don't know if anyone here knows.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Domina - as I am sure you are aware Prosise is on O now so I odnt know if we need to move Turner but I think, like you, most people think his best chance at ever seeing the field is making the move to LB.

If he gains ~10lbs a year (current pace) it would look like this:

Frosh: 209
RS Fresh: 220
RS Soph: 230
RS Jr: 240
RS Sr: 250

I don't see any reason why by this kids RS Junior year he couldn't step in and provide quality depth.

Is that the plan of the coaching staff? I don't know if anyone here knows.

best guess... I generally think this coaching staff is much more likely to take chances and make the moves dictated by the depth chart than the last staff. I think they are almost predictable on that score. So if I had to guess, I'd say Turner will move IF the staff thinks he can get to the right size (most kids can't carry 235 lbs of muscle!) AND they don't like his current size as special teams guy. With Redfield, Barratti, Shumate, Hardy, and Farley, and possibly a new kid competing for reps going foward (plus Badger), turner seems to be more valuable elsewhere.

You can't just switch people around willy-nilly and expect they will develop, but depth is not all about games- it's also about quality practice reps. This is the advantage of recruiting versatile athletes. And that's why I don't even think he really has to get to 250 to be useful. If he can get to 230 lbs., he'd be small but serviceable in a game, and extremely useful as a practice player (considering you are not trying to take your teammates out, the 15 lbs is not as important).

I think the Prosise move was very wise, and I would not be suprised if moving Turner is the next step in building some longer-term depth at LB.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think the Prosise move was very wise, and I think moving Turner is the next step in building some longer-term depth. This is the advantage of recruiting versatile athletes.

I agree, but I don't even think he really has to get to 250 to be useful. If he can get to 235 lbs., he'd be small but serviceable IMO.

I totally agree but if he can get to 240-250 by his senior year it would do him good (if they move him that is).

 

[Domina Nostra]

I totally agree but if he can get to 240-250 by his senior year it would do him good (if they move him that is).

The bigger problem may be that he apparently had a reputation earlier in HS as not being very violent. I'm not sure if that is true or not.

 

[NDdomer2]

The bigger problem may be that he apparently had a reputation earlier in HS as not being very violent. I'm not sure if that is true or not.

I went and watched him play against WC (S. Day) their senior year. The beginning of the game they didn't run his way too many times, had him in cover 3/or soft 1 the whole game on field side. He was just chasing kids around for a quarter or two.

Then they started running his side quite a bit and the first few times he waited for the ball carrier to get to him (catch tackling I call it) then it seemed like something clicked.

Either he got his *** chewed out or he got p!ssed off, but he started coming up and laying the wood.

Which W.C. then went over the top and burned him on a deep route.

So there is some truth to what you are hearing but I don't think it is because he is incapable.

 

[BGIF]

Domina - as I am sure you are aware Prosise is on O now so I odnt know if we need to move Turner but I think, like you, most people think his best chance at ever seeing the field is making the move to LB.

If he gains ~10lbs a year (current pace) it would look like this:

Frosh: 209
RS Fresh: 220
RS Soph: 230
RS Jr: 240
RS Sr: 250

I don't see any reason why by this kids RS Junior year he couldn't step in and provide quality depth.

Is that the plan of the coaching staff? I don't know if anyone here knows.

He's not going to see a 5th year without a huge metamorphosis or a transfer rate ND's never experienced happens.

 

[NDdomer2]

He's not going to see a 5th year without a huge metamorphosis or a transfer rate ND's never experienced happens.

Wouldn't happen to know the powerball numbers of 2015 either would u?

 

[Emcee77]

He's not going to see a 5th year without a huge metamorphosis or a transfer rate ND's never experienced happens.

You never know though. I would never have guessed that Dan McCarthy or Tyler Stockton would have gotten 5th years. Indeed, Stockton's apparently had more to do with his off-field leadership than his playing ability.

 

[dublinirish]

You never know though. I would never have guessed that Dan McCarthy or Tyler Stockton would have gotten 5th years. Indeed, Stockton's apparently had more to do with his off-field leadership than his playing ability.

more to do with the fact that there were schollys left over for various reasons

 

[NDdomer2]

more to do with the fact that there were schollys left over for various reasons

Who is to say their won't be when his RS senior year comes around. We have yet to field 85 scholarship players yet under Kelly and we have given scholarships to 2 walk-ons.

We have had transfers or something insanely bizarre happen every year as well. I would hold judgement about who gets 5th year 3 years from now.

 

[Emcee77]

Who is to say their won't be when his RS senior year comes around. We have yet to field 85 scholarship players yet under Kelly and we have given scholarships to 2 walk-ons.

We have had transfers or something insanely bizarre happen every year as well. I would hold judgement about who gets 5th year 3 years from now.

Right.

 

[TerryTate]

Is this strictly a TT question or is there real smoke out there?

Just my rantings.

 

[koonja]

Just my rantings.

You should 'rant' more often. Where have you been? Busy at work or what?

 

[NDinFL]

You should 'rant' more often. Where have you been? Busy at work or what?

He's gotta keep those punk *** office workers in check

 

[TerryTate]

You should 'rant' more often. Where have you been? Busy at work or what?

Work, finishing grad school in December, moved in with girlfriend, got a dog

Eventful 6 months.

 

[NDdomer2]

in other word he signed his life away, got a dog so he still had someone to talk to without getting a ****** response.

I'm there

i fvcking love my dog

 

[TerryTate]

He's the only one who understands me.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Honestly, why even try to find a situation where he could maybe be a 3rd or 4th stringer on defense? The best route to go with Turner is to maximize his potential on special teams. IMO, the best way to do this is to keep him as a "safety" and let him use his speed, which is his asset, to impact the team on special teams. Turner was never going to be a contributor on defense, but the scholarship won't be thrown away if he can make an impact on special teams. We've all seen enough football to know how vital special teams can be, and with 85 scholarships I have no problem with some players getting a free ride for special teams play.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He's the only one who understands me.

Terry, I am sure you did, but if you even only got half the woman that NDDomer2, 3, & 4 did, you are a lucky man.

And congrats to you if it is (becoming) official Alpha!

 

[Ironman8]

Moved to OLB on the spring roster. Probably the best place for him to succeed with the depth and talent in the secondary.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Completely agree with this move 100%

 

[ResLife Hero]

Surprised it took this long. Seems like a much better fit with his game.

 

[Emcee77]

I agree, I honestly saw an OLB from the time I first viewed his HS tape. But he doesn't have the size Diaco likes his OLBs to have. I wonder if this move is coaching-change related to some extent.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I agree, I honestly saw an OLB from the time I first viewed his HS tape. But he doesn't have the size Diaco likes his OLBs to have. I wonder if this move is coaching-change related to some extent.

With the amount of shuffling of defensive personnel going on, it has to be somewhat related to coaching style. It's too early to really evaluate anything BVG has done, but I like most of the moves and recruiting changes at first glance.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, I am not sure the Diaco/BVG change will be as radical as some others on the board seem to think, but it is obvious that BVG is more flexible about using guys at a particular position even if they don't fit the ideal physical profile.

 

[irishfan]

Would've like to see Hardy make the move as well to be honest.

 

[ryno 24]

Hardy is definitely a safety, I think this is a goof fit for Turner and I could see this turning into a Star backer type position, similar to Jaylon but more on passing downs.

 

[BGIF]

Wow, this thread went 8 months without a post. An entire preseason, season, and post season.

Highlight film at 11.