Derek Jeter retiring after 2014 season.

[Irish#1]

Easy. Are Warren Moon (stats) and Terry Bradshaw (rings) in the Hall of Fame? Yes

Are they anywhere near the bests to ever play the game? No way.

Jeter has rings and stats. Does he belong in the hall? Absolutely. Is he one of the best ever? I say no.


**This is another problem I have with baseball and the hall of fame. A player is largely rewarded for longevity, which is mush easier to do in a less physically demanding sport like baseball. A guy can put up decent stats every year, largely be an afterthought or "yeah, that guy was ok," but when it's all said and done, his career numbers cause many to believe he is a HoFer.

I used to think the same thing, but you can't be average and have a long career. It may be less demanding physically then football, but the mental aspect of having to get up for a game damn near every day has to be taxing.

I do think the baseball HOF admits guys that weren't deserving.

 

[ACamp1900]

From a pure talent standpoint Griffey is our generation's Micky Mantle... From a pure talent standpoint, he's it... but as a whole he may or may not be the best our generation saw...

 

[rtrn2glory]

Easy. Are Warren Moon (stats) and Terry Bradshaw (rings) in the Hall of Fame? Yes

Are they anywhere near the bests to ever play the game? No way.

Jeter has rings and stats. Does he belong in the hall? Absolutely. Is he one of the best ever? I say no.


**This is another problem I have with baseball and the hall of fame. A player is largely rewarded for longevity, which is mush easier to do in a less physically demanding sport like baseball. A guy can put up decent stats every year, largely be an afterthought or "yeah, that guy was ok," but when it's all said and done, his career numbers cause many to believe he is a HoFer.

if i needed a shortstop on my team...he'd be my first pick in a heartbeat.

curious...who do you rank ahead of him at his position?

 

[irishog77]

this is ridiculous

anyone who thinks he's overrated simply does not know baseball. he is the best contact hitter i've ever seen and uses the all parts of the field as good as anyone whose ever played.

intelligence, leadership, and intangibles are off the charts. stays out of trouble and always says the right thing among a pack of media wolves constantly begging for a slip up

it's just too bad he's not a member of the Red Sox....that's really the only flaw of his i can think of

Nobody's saying he's not good (at least not me, certainly). But I think it's ridiculous to think that the general public, media, and fans would hold him in as high regard if he played for the Royals, Rays, Reds, and probably the majority of baseball teams. And I think Jeter played everything up a bit too, living in New York. I think he liked the attention (which isn't good or bad), he liked the commercials, he liked having his name and face out there (again, isn't necessarily bad or good to do that).

I think of Tim Duncan. Duncan is probably the best PF to ever play the game. Truly one of the all time greats. Yet we hear more about Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony. Why? They like the attention and are in huge markets and on sexy teams. Duncan's spent his entire career in San Antonio, largely out of the spotlight.

 

[rtrn2glory]

From a pure talent standpoint Griffey is our generation's Micky Mantle... From a pure talent standpoint, he's it... but as a whole he may or may not be the best our generation saw...

you just made me think of a great topic

 

[irishog77]

if i needed a shortstop on my team...he'd be my first pick in a heartbeat.

curious...who do you rank ahead of him at his position?

After Roger Dorn?

I would pick Rodriguez in his prime over Jeter. Ozzie Smith, possibly. Ripken, possibly.

That's just off the top of my head though.

Yeah, Jeter would be up there though.

Is it not possible, also, to be great at something (possibly even the best), but still have your value inflated? I mean Ray Guy is the greatest punter to ever play football...and he would be my probable first pick...but that doesn't mean he's one of the greatest football players of all time.

I know that's not a perfect comparison. But a person, athlete, businessman, politician, etc. can all be "great," yet still overrated. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[rtrn2glory]

After Roger Dorn?

I would pick Rodriguez in his prime over Jeter. Ozzie Smith, possibly. Ripken, possibly.

That's just off the top of my head though.

Yeah, Jeter would be up there though.

Is it not possible, also, to be great at something (possibly even the best), but still have your value inflated? I mean Ray Guy is the greatest punter to ever play football...and he would be my probable first pick...but that doesn't mean he's one of the greatest football players of all time.

I know that's not a perfect comparison. But a person, athlete, businessman, politician, etc. can all be "great," yet still overrated. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Roger Dorn played 3rd so you're going to need to go with one of your second choices

 

[rtrn2glory]

Boston Red Sox enjoy soaring prices following Derek Jeter's retirement announcement - ESPN Boston

Sox and online ticket scalpers reaping the benefits of Jeter's announcement

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

From a pure talent standpoint Griffey is our generation's Micky Mantle... From a pure talent standpoint, he's it... but as a whole he may or may not be the best our generation saw...

I'd put Bonds in that argument before he got roided up.
Arod when with the Mariners.
Trout now.

 

[irishog77]

Roger Dorn played 3rd so you're going to need to go with one of your second choices

Seriously? Damn! Then who the hell played SS for the Indians?

 

[Redbar]

this is ridiculous

anyone who thinks he's overrated simply does not know baseball. he is the best contact hitter i've ever seen and uses the all parts of the field as good as anyone whose ever played.

intelligence, leadership, and intangibles are off the charts. stays out of trouble and always says the right thing among a pack of media wolves constantly begging for a slip up

it's just too bad he's not a member of the Red Sox....that's really the only flaw of his i can think of

Everything except for the Red Sox part.

 

[Grahambo]

Jeter is not overrated. He's been consistent his whole career and has been clutch in the postseason.

His career probably would have been different if he didn't get to play with guys like Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Paul O'Neill, and Jorge Posada instead of guys who the KC Royals have put out on the field during his career.

As for the longevity claim, it's more impressive for a guy to be as consistent as he has for as long as he has then anything else.

If you look at some of the HoF names and seasons played:

Hank Aaron - 23 years
Pete Rose - 24 years
Ty Cobb - 24 years
Greg Maddux - 23 years
Frank Thomas - 19 years
Mickey Mantle - 18 years
Babe Ruth - 22 years
Willie Mays - 22 years
Ted Williams - 19 years (Missed 3 seasons in the beginning of his career for military time)

I'm a Met fan and Yankee hater too.

 

[BGIF]

Jeter is not overrated. He's been consistent his whole career and has been clutch in the postseason.

His career probably would have been different if he didn't get to play with guys like Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Paul O'Neill, and Jorge Posada instead of guys who the KC Royals have put out on the field during his career.

As for the longevity claim, it's more impressive for a guy to be as consistent as he has for as long as he has then anything else.

If you look at some of the HoF names and seasons played:

Hank Aaron - 23 years
Pete Rose - 24 years
Ty Cobb - 24 years
Greg Maddux - 23 years
Frank Thomas - 19 years
Mickey Mantle - 18 years
Babe Ruth - 22 years
Willie Mays - 22 years
Ted Williams - 19 years (Missed 3 seasons in the beginning of his career for military time)

I'm a Met fan and Yankee hater too.

Williams lost 3 years as a fighter pilot in WWII came back to baseball but lost parts of two seasons in the early 50's when he was recalled to active duty for Korea. He only played in a half dozen games the first Korean season and played about 100 games the next year.

After Korea he never played a full season again, missing 20 games or more every year.

 

[T Town Tommy]

In regards to Griffey...i can say i was very close to say he's the best of the past two decades (my generation), but outside of his amazing talent he faded away as well

once he left seattle he never came close to his former self...extremely arrogant on top of that, never really came up in the clutch either

Jr played so hard when he was younger and that was probably what did him in later on. Talent wise... the best of his time. And a swing that was just glorious to watch.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The Jeter overrated argument is ridiculous. He played the game the way it was meant to be played. Yes, he enjoyed a lot of years playing around other great ballplayers, but he did so with tremendous respect for his team, opponents, and the game itself. My only knock on him was that he didn't have great range nor did he have the greatest arm for a SS. But the guy is a class act and that is hard to find in professional sports these days.

 

[Grahambo]

Jr played so hard when he was younger and that was probably what did him in later on. Talent wise... the best of his time. And a swing that was just glorious to watch.

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[Cackalacky]

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Best swing ever.

 

[Grahambo]

Best swing ever.

Even his opposite field homers were a thing of beautiful.

 

[Cackalacky]

Even his opposite field homers were a thing of beautiful.

Will Clark was real close to Griffey as far a beautiful swing. For me though I used to love watching Tony Gwynn and Wade Bogs just rope balls all over the field.

Anyway I hate the yankees.

 

[BGIF]

Will Clark was real close to Griffey as far a beautiful swing. For me though I used to love watching Tony Gwynn and Wade Bogs just rope balls all over the field.

Anyway I hate the yankees.

150+ years and you're still holding a grudge over Ft. Sumpter.

 

[Bubbles]

Red Sox Nation will miss Jeter; he always played the right way with class.

 

[Cackalacky]

150+ years and you're still holding a grudge over Ft. Sumpter.

I pass it every day. Its a cold reminder......

 

[gkIrish]

Red Sox Nation will miss Jeter; he always played the right way with class.

I don't know what this says but I can't say the same thing about any great Red Sox players of this generation. Ortiz & Manny are steroid users. Schilling has the 38 Studios controversy and can't keep his mouth shut about anything. Nomar was alright but he only played 6 full seasons with the Sox.

 

[BGIF]

I don't know what this says but I can't say the same thing about any great Red Sox players of this generation. Ortiz & Manny are steroid users. Schilling has the 38 Studios controversy and can't keep his mouth shut about anything. Nomar was alright but he only played 6 full seasons with the Sox.

Glass House, or is it Coke and PEDs House?


I see your Manny, Ortiz, and Schilling and go all in with ARod.

Don't even need to bring up Steve Howe.

 

[Bubbles]

I don't know what this says but I can't say the same thing about any great Red Sox players of this generation. Ortiz & Manny are steroid users. Schilling has the 38 Studios controversy and can't keep his mouth shut about anything. Nomar was alright but he only played 6 full seasons with the Sox.

Hey....Mo and Jeter are all class.....I made no such claim about their fans.

 

[gkIrish]

Glass House, or is it Coke and PEDs House?


I see your Manny, Ortiz, and Schilling and go all in with ARod.

Don't even need to bring up Steve Howe.

I'm not saying the Yankees don't have those kinds of unlikeable players. I hate Arod. I just can't think of any Red Sox players that are similar to Jeter or Mariano in terms of class.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm not saying the Yankees don't have those kinds of unlikeable players. I hate Arod. I just can't think of any Red Sox players that are similar to Jeter or Mariano in terms of class.

Wade Boggs.

 

[gkIrish]

Wade Boggs.

That's a good one. I did like Wade. But of course he did win a championship with the Yankees.

 

[Cackalacky]

That's a good one. I did like Wade. But of course he did win a championship with the Yankees.

I figured I would inject some common ground.

 

[gkIrish]

I figured I would inject some common ground.

Johnny Damon too. I respected Varitek but never thought he was that good so I didn't want to include him with the big boys.