'15 MI QB Jayru Campbell (WWE Verbal)

[Bogtrotter07]

Because Bogtrotter wanted to show us how enlightened and progressive he was, relative to the cretin masses who found a HS student that assaults security guards and starts fights in handshake lines to be worthy of jokes/derision. Obviously, everyone who found the need to make jokes or comments about either the individual or his uncouth action is a frothing racist. The only appropriate reaction on an internet message board was sympathy for the environmental factors that clearly led to such actions. Really, Jayru is the victim.

Actually, you lost horsepower here.

I think this kid will be prosecuted because of the potential civil liability with the guards, and because of the school administrators realizing they will never have a chance for controlling this school otherwise.

I think the prosecutor will certify this kid as an adult asap. It is easier for him, and it is warranted. That just leave the fact that this kid will be a trophy for some resident at Ionia or Jackson. And that is okay, I supposed.

Except when does it become your or my responsibility when we know that there is at least information out there, and the ability to somewhat curtail these occurrences?

Everybody wants to cheer 'em. Nobody wants to admit that their longing for these kids and desire to be like them or with them, to the point that we will except every rule for their satisfaction, leads to some of the many documented issues these kids have in life, from illiteracy to pugilistic dementia.

Anyone who wants to bring back the times and the practices of Sparta should not have a problem with the banishment of college football. The real Spartan warriors would assassinate these prima donnas that we have playing sports. They would be eaten alive. The concept of a society of basically fat-asses cheering on an athlete class, is so diametrically opposed to the principles of Sparta that it is laughable. In Sparta everyone would play, and those that don't excel, would parish. They wouldn't play the game with pigskin Under Armor, it would be with guns and knives.

Oh, maybe that is the point. Sparta became obsolete.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Classic "White Knight" behavior.

Leave it to Irish Hog.

Originally Posted by robertpolyglot View Post

NO. What you describe is the "knight in shining armor." That's an acceptable character. The "white knight" is the "male feminist" who takes a woman's point of view, even when evidence proves he shouldn't. The reasons for "white knights/male feminists" are numerous, and probably complex:
- bonded more with Mom than with Dad
- feels he scores points with women, usually in terms of approval and almost always not sexually
- is insecure in his competitive status vis-a-vis other men
- has more women friends than male friends, and tends to be beta

They are usually insecure and a pain in the ass to deal with.

^This is more line line with the definition of "white knight" , as it is used among men's rights advocates and pick-up artists, on the internet.

"White knight" also gets used out in wider society -- I've only heard it used by men. It basically means the same thing: Coming to the defense of a particular person (or position in an argument), not because it is right, but because it is popular.

Politicians are classic 'white knights' -- so are teachers and religious men. Often it's people who, for whatever reason, can't afford to be real, other times it's people who are sort-of brainwashed into their views.

Read more: What exactly IS a "White Knight?" (how to, ladies, internet) - Dating, marriage, boyfriends, girlfriends, men, women, friends, attraction ... - Page 13 - City-Data Forum

What an appropriate bastardization! The intelligence required to misunderstand pop psychology. That is like misunderstanding popcorn! I am actually laughing so hard I need to stop, have to drive downtown to see "Number 5!"

 

[RyCo1983]

Leave it to Irish Hog.

Originally Posted by robertpolyglot View Post

NO. What you describe is the "knight in shining armor." That's an acceptable character. The "white knight" is the "male feminist" who takes a woman's point of view, even when evidence proves he shouldn't. The reasons for "white knights/male feminists" are numerous, and probably complex:
- bonded more with Mom than with Dad
- feels he scores points with women, usually in terms of approval and almost always not sexually
- is insecure in his competitive status vis-a-vis other men
- has more women friends than male friends, and tends to be beta

They are usually insecure and a pain in the ass to deal with.

^This is more line line with the definition of "white knight" , as it is used among men's rights advocates and pick-up artists, on the internet.

"White knight" also gets used out in wider society -- I've only heard it used by men. It basically means the same thing: Coming to the defense of a particular person (or position in an argument), not because it is right, but because it is popular.

Politicians are classic 'white knights' -- so are teachers and religious men. Often it's people who, for whatever reason, can't afford to be real, other times it's people who are sort-of brainwashed into their views.

Read more: What exactly IS a "White Knight?" (how to, ladies, internet) - Dating, marriage, boyfriends, girlfriends, men, women, friends, attraction ... - Page 13 - City-Data Forum

What an appropriate bastardization! The intelligence required to misunderstand pop psychology. That is like misunderstanding popcorn! I am actually laughing so hard I need to stop, have to drive downtown to see "Number 5!"

Speaking of White Knights...

This term actually comes from a dude who lived a town away from me and I worked with for a time at a big warehouse...

Urban Dictionary: Knepping

From the Bodybuilding.com boards years back

"Knepp'ing" on the Internet - Corvette Forum

 

[irish1958]

Getting back to Jayru, I think his behavior is classic roid rage behavior and I would be interested to see the results of a PED test. If not, he is a sociopath and not just a confused kid from a poor environment.

 

[RyCo1983]

Getting back to Jayru, I think his behavior is classic roid rage behavior and I would be interested to see the results of a PED test. If not, he is a sociopath and not just a confused kid from a poor environment.

It's something I'll definitely be following.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Getting back to Jayru, I think his behavior is classic roid rage behavior and I would be interested to see the results of a PED test. If not, he is a sociopath and not just a confused kid from a poor environment.

Actually this makes quite a bit of sense. Let me ask you, is there a more pronounced issue with someone with multiple issues? For example if you take a fetal alcohol syndrome "victim," and throw in roid abuse, or someone with pre-frontal cortex damage, do you get worse, or more violent behavior than if you have someone with no other factors?

 

[koonja]

Two things, I'm far from a philosophizer, and I didn't read all of your comments (sorry, that would have taken time away from my GB/Jaylon admiration).

But if you blame the system and the upbringing (and maybe this is right, who knows?), where do you draw the line? Couldn't every sin against humanity and/or society be a result of poor childhood/exposure to said-incident?

If that is the case, where do we draw the line and start blaming the individual? I saw someone post that for every 1 kid who has a terrible upbringing, 5 others do too but don't end up doing terrible things, and I agree with that perspective.

If this guy is going to be a threat to the well being of other people, I have no problem locking him up. What if that security guard was your wife (someone said it was a girl, right?)?

Have to wonder what IrishPat would say. #FreePat

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Two things, I'm far from a philosophizer, and I didn't read all of your comments (sorry, that would have taken time away from my GB/Jaylon admiration).

But if you blame the system and the upbringing (and maybe this is right, who knows?), where do you draw the line? Couldn't every sin against humanity and/or society be a result of poor childhood/exposure to said-incident?

If that is the case, where do we draw the line and start blaming the individual? I saw someone post that for every 1 kid who has a terrible upbringing, 5 others do too but don't end up doing terrible things, and I agree with that perspective.

If this guy is going to be a threat to the well being of other people, I have no problem locking him up. What if that security guard was your wife (someone said it was a girl, right?)?

In basic at one point they made the platoon guide and all the squad leaders get on their hands and knees to scrub the floor of the head with our toothbrushes. It tracks that we didn't do a good enough job getting the rest of the platoon to clean that AM. One of the guys was all downhearted. The Senior Drill Instructor stood over him and ask him to repeat.

One of the fellow toothbrush scrubbing recruit asked how we were supposed to clean the whole floor. The Drill Instructor replied, "One tile at a time." The one thing that I have not heard enough on this thread is what caused this. No one wants to talk about what this kids problem is, except irish1958. Everyone wants it to be part of an oversimplified one size all problem, endemic to our society. See that way they can have the wise solution, and still be disappointed in their fellow man. Even though they never tried to make a difference.

There is no "line to draw." There is no fast solution. But there are more, harder, and more violet problems within poverty.

 

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[Irish#1]

Uh oh, never even thought of that. It really does work though. My twelve year old has been on the program for about 10 weeks and her strength and attitude has improved tremendously. Another benefit is that she uses her time wisely on her devices because it is earned. My 14 year old has been doing this for over a year and I believe it played a part in her being brought up to varsity soccer and basketball through improving her strength.

So what you're saying is they get in trouble a lot? lol

 

[md_bennett]

Thread clean-up isle 9 please!!

 

[irishtrooper]

So what you're saying is they get in trouble a lot? lol

You know how teenage girls can be

 

[NDBoiler]

Uh oh, never even thought of that. It really does work though. My twelve year old has been on the program for about 10 weeks and her strength and attitude has improved tremendously. Another benefit is that she uses her time wisely on her devices because it is earned. My 14 year old has been doing this for over a year and I believe it played a part in her being brought up to varsity soccer and basketball through improving her strength.

Got my 4 yr old son to do 2 push-ups and my 7 yr old son to do 5 this evening for various things. This is gonna be great

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Got my 4 yr old son to do 2 push-ups and my 7 yr old son to do 5 this evening for various things. This is gonna be great

Now you are just going to be looking for a reason lol

 

[irish1958]

Actually this makes quite a bit of sense. Let me ask you, is there a more pronounced issue with someone with multiple issues? For example if you take a fetal alcohol syndrome "victim," and throw in roid abuse, or someone with pre-frontal cortex damage, do you get worse, or more violent behavior than if you have someone with no other factors?

That is a very interesting. I have been retired for some years now and I don't keep up with the literature. I spent a couple of years during my training in juvenile detention medical evaluation and some therapy but this was before the steroid era. During that time we were into Freudian theory and causative psychotherapy (i.e. Psychoanalytical therapy) which tended to downplay physical causation. Later in my training the opposite prevailed and we did quite a bit of work with the fetal alcohol syndrome. The proven patients had physical stigmata, mostly low birth weight and small heads (of below the third percentile, and an elfin facies. Behavior was typical ADD in type but with low intelligence and a good deal of aggression. At that time there was a lot of speculation that milder forms of fetal alcohol syndrome were responsible for much of the criminal behavior in juveniles and young adults but there were no data to support this view.
Full blown fetal alcohol syndrome does not seem to be common amoung the juvenile offenders.
I would guess that anabolic steroids would make the behavior worse and more aggressive but I know of no studies to support this view. I know alcohol does worsen it.

 

[pumpdog20]

I know it may sound weird, but I actually make my kids do pushups when they act up. I even make them "buy" minutes on their devices with pushups. They are a great exercise and they really do not enjoy them. However, both of my girls and my boy think twice before talking back knowing they will have to do a difficult exercise.

Got to be careful, kids can up the pushups real quick . Bear crawls are the great equalizer!

 

[phork]

espn actually wrote articles on this kid before saying he was a model student and stuff despite being from a disadvantaged background

epic fail on their behalf

seriously two things...what in the world could provoke a kid to that in school (i guess a number of things) and B.....young man has some SERIOUS emotional disorders and needs to get them sorted out if he wants to live past 30

Yah because no ND QBs in recent memory were drinking under age and assaulted cops.

 

[connor_in]

http://m.youtube.com/#/verify_age?next=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPfqIlDm_vGM&client=mv-google

First ten minutes discusses situation...

Talks about how he could be suspended from all Michgan schools for 180 days...May have to go to a prep or military school

 

[bigedefense]

First off... welcome.

Now to the second.... spanking me worked and I turned out ok. Unless you count that I am a Bama fan on an Irish board. Some of my friends out here will argue that is what's wrong with me.

Not jumping on either side of this argument, we'll at least I didn't mean to, but I too had spankings growing up & I grew up ok. No lying on the couch at a counselor a office, crying about my spankings as a child caused my adult problems.

I heard a guy speak about this issue in grad school & he had a good point, IMO. He began by asking the class who would like to have $50,000. It would be tax free. Everyone raised their hand. Then he asked who would rob a bank & no one raised their hands. When he asked why no one wanted to rob a bank, the general answer was because no one wanted to get caught & sent to prison. Ah ha, he said, you don't out of fear. Yet you sit here & say corporal punishment is evil because it makes kids act right out of fear. I personally got his point. I think that only a parent that shows their child love should spank, and the parent should NEVER spank when angry. It worked for me personally, & I spanked my children when needed & it has worked there as well. They, the ones that are still with me, have grown to be in the top 5% in their class & later to be valuable assets in their careers. Reps to you TTown!

 

[Irish#1]

You know how teenage girls can be

You know what they say. When you have boys, you have to watch them. When you have girls you have watch everyone else's boys.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Two things, I'm far from a philosophizer, and I didn't read all of your comments (sorry, that would have taken time away from my GB/Jaylon admiration).

But if you blame the system and the upbringing (and maybe this is right, who knows?), where do you draw the line? Couldn't every sin against humanity and/or society be a result of poor childhood/exposure to said-incident?

If that is the case, where do we draw the line and start blaming the individual? I saw someone post that for every 1 kid who has a terrible upbringing, 5 others do too but don't end up doing terrible things, and I agree with that perspective.

If this guy is going to be a threat to the well being of other people, I have no problem locking him up. What if that security guard was your wife (someone said it was a girl, right?)?

Have to wonder what IrishPat would say. #FreePat

Talk about bringing a shit storm into an already existing shit storm. It would be the perfect shit storm

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That is a very interesting. I have been retired for some years now and I don't keep up with the literature. I spent a couple of years during my training in juvenile detention medical evaluation and some therapy but this was before the steroid era. During that time we were into Freudian theory and causative psychotherapy (i.e. Psychoanalytical therapy) which tended to downplay physical causation. Later in my training the opposite prevailed and we did quite a bit of work with the fetal alcohol syndrome. The proven patients had physical stigmata, mostly low birth weight and small heads (of below the third percentile, and an elfin facies. Behavior was typical ADD in type but with low intelligence and a good deal of aggression. At that time there was a lot of speculation that milder forms of fetal alcohol syndrome were responsible for much of the criminal behavior in juveniles and young adults but there were no data to support this view.
Full blown fetal alcohol syndrome does not seem to be common amoung the juvenile offenders.
I would guess that anabolic steroids would make the behavior worse and more aggressive but I know of no studies to support this view. I know alcohol does worsen it.

Thanks for the info!

I have a friend-educator, that has adopted a FAS child. Very mildly. She has impulse control issues, clear as a bell at age 6, enough to have an IEP. She will "outgrow" her physical FAS symptoms. Mom and Dad are worried that though she may outgrow her features, and thereby her connection with her history, but not outgrow her "issues." And of course the other issue with FAS is that there is such a social stigma, that if the symptoms aren't strong-classic, it is often mask as something else. There are a whole lot of UMC kids diagnosed with ADHD-H that ain't, is the logic.

I have been working with some kids that are SCT. Who are diagnosed with ADHD-PI. People are arguing whether it is two different conditions, or other ends of the same. Here is the point from my perspective; ADHD-PI, (which is primarily inattentive ADHD, in other words, without hyperactivity), is still a pre-frontal cortex brain issue. SCT, (Sluggish Cognitive Tempo), is a posterior brain issue. Therefore there is no hint of the same behavioral issues. There is no oppositional defiance, or pre-sociopathic behavior. The distinctness of the behavior differences in this one area is startling when the overall symptomology is similar, and the "cluster" of symptoms is nearly identical. I would be interested in your thoughts.

 

[irish1958]

"I would be interested in your thoughts."
I haven't thought about this in a long time; I'll mull it over but I don't think my knowledge base at this time is sufficient to add to your thoughts as noted above.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

"I would be interested in your thoughts."
I haven't thought about this in a long time; I'll mull it over but I don't think my knowledge base at this time is sufficient to add to your thoughts as noted above.

I think you just did. But I would like to know more about your experience. Even subjective stuff, especially about the time period when things swung back from the psych-analytical, Freudian model.

 

[ND NYC]

my personal "rule of thumb" has always been to "never give up on a kid" or "write them off" if they are 17 or younger.

but...that video is really pushing my theory which has, i think, served me well for a long time as a father, coach etc.

 

[bigedefense]

Thanks for the info!

I have a friend-educator, that has adopted a FAS child. Very mildly. She has impulse control issues, clear as a bell at age 6, enough to have an IEP. She will "outgrow" her FAS symptoms. Mom and Dad are worried that though she may outgrow her features, and thereby her connection with her history, but not outgrow her "issues." And of course the other issue with FAS is that there is such a social stigma, that if the symptoms aren't strong classic, it is often mask as something else. There are a whole lot of UMC kids diagnosed with ADHD-H that ain't, is the logic.

I have been working with some kids that are SCT. Who are diagnosed with ADHD-PI. People are arguing whether it is two different conditions, or other ends of the same. Here is the point from my perspective; ADHD-PI, (which is primarily inattentive ADHD, in other words, without hyperactivity), is still a pre-frontal cortex brain issue. SCT, (Sluggish Cognitive Tempo), is a posterior brain issue. Therefore there is no hint of the same behavioral issues. There is no oppositional defiance, or pre-sociopathic behavior. The distinctness of the behavior differences in this one area is startling when the overall symptomology is similar, and the "cluster" of symptoms is nearly identical. I would be interested in your thoughts.

WOW! I feel like I should play the lottery today! I was able to understand your entire post! HAHA! I currently work with 3 students that have FAS & 2 ASD students.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

WOW! I feel like I should play the lottery today! I was able to understand your entire post! HAHA! I currently work with 3 students that have FAS & 2 ASD students.

God bless you!

You are just one of those kid of guys, the more you say the more you establish your good character, and who you are!

 

[ND NYC]

I'm a big believer in Nurture over Nature.

my next door neighbor took in 3 foster kids over the course of about 5 years some years back.

one was a crack baby, one both parents were in jail, and the last i think his mom just abandoned him.

anyway, they got all 3 at about 3 or 4 yrs old and i can tell you the kids were completely out of control, wild, socially inept. it was real rough.

BUT

my neighboor and his wife as well as their own kids just loved all 3 of these kids to death, were patient, included them in everything and ended up fully adopting all 3 and by the time they were all around 9-10 yrs old i swear those 3 adopted kids were the most well behaved, well adjusted kids in our whle neighbrhood/town. they did (and are still doing) well in school, sports and socially.

i am still in awe of how well those kids turned out. they were lucky. they found a great caring and nurturing family that had the patience, laughter, and humanity to care enough to take them in and allow them to realize their full potential in spite of the circumstaces beyond their control.

 

[dublinirish]

Michigan State recruit Jayru Campbell's school, legal status unclear; prosecutor reviews warrant request | MLive.com

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cass Tech's Jayru Campbell has been charged with two counts of assault after incident with security guard at school. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23backchannel&src=hash">#backchannel</a></p>— Tom Leyden (@TomLeyden) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLeyden/statuses/433002151858954240">February 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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