Who wins the Heisman?

[GoIrish41]

Ususally by now, there are two or three guys who have separated themselves, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year. There are several who have a legitimate shot. Below are some examples off the top of my head.

Jameis Winston, QB, FSU - Having a great season, but off field issues could give voters pause

Johnny Manziel, QB, TAMU - I doubt many want to go on that ride again, and although he's had a good year, his losses could give voters an excuse not to vote for him

Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor - I suspect that he would have had to be perfect to win it, but RGIII did it with a few losses at Baylor, so what do I know.

Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon - Has had a very good year overall, but he's had some below average games lately (and some losses) and that will likely cost him.

AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama - Guy gets too little respect from a lot of people. I'm one of them and I don't want to see a game manager become the most outstanding player in college football

Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville - Had at least one bad game, and he had to be pretty close to perfect to win it, didn't he?

Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State - Fun to watch, but had a slow start and missed some games early in the season.

Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson - Clemson is coming on late and he is one of the big reasons.

Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona - Huge game this week but does he get enough publicity to win an award of this stature?

Mike Evans, WR, TAMU - I think he has been far more impressive than Manziel this year. In fact, a lot of the prayers his QB throws up are answered by Evans.

Andre Williams, RB, Boston College - 2000 yards with two games left? Pretty impressive, but Boston College didn't win enough games for him to get the stiffarm trophy did they?

Jeremy Gallon, WR, Michigan - He is clearly the best player on their offense, and has been extremely productive this year, but a weak Skunkbear team probably isn't going to be the vehicle to carry him to New York.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

This is a popularity contest, so i will say McCarron. To me the real winner should be Andre Williams.

 

[IrishLax]

Good question, and good thread. I'd probably vote for Aaron Lynch.

It's Winston in a landslide if he doesn't get arrested for rape. If he does, I'd lean towards giving it to Mariota. Not a lot of great choices... it's too bad Andre Williams plays on a below average BC team.

Definitely no McCarron. His QBR says all you need to know about how "good" he actually plays even with that stacked team.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think I'd pick Evans right now. That guy has absolutely made Johnny Football look good all year. It is amazing how little credit he gets for Manziel's stats. He's had multiple games of more than 300 yards receiving this year, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

McCarron if Winston is formally charged.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Personally I'd vote for Williams from Boston College.

 

[RyCo1983]

Good question, and good thread. I'd probably vote for Aaron Lynch.

It's Winston in a landslide if he doesn't get arrested for rape. If he does, I'd lean towards giving it to Mariota. Not a lot of great choices... it's too bad Andre Williams plays on a below average BC team.

Definitely no McCarron. His QBR says all you need to know about how "good" he actually plays even with that stacked team.

You mean Jordan Lynch I'm guessing?

If I had a vote it would also be for Lynch. But I'm also a big NIU fan.

 

[IrishLax]

You mean Jordan Lynch I'm guessing?

If I had a vote it would also be for Lynch. But I'm also a big NIU fan.

No, I was just making a joke.

Jordan Lynch is interesting... awesome guy. Absolutely dominated his competition too. He made some plays in the Ball State game that were unreal. I actually watch a reasonable amount of his #MACtion games because my GF's family is a bunch of Northern Illinois people. I don't think people who play weak competition should get consideration though if I'm being honest.

 

[magogian]

Can they just not give it to anyone?

Winston is the only one who deserves it, but I'm not sure it is appropriate with the rape allegations.

 

[RyCo1983]

No, I was just making a joke.

Jordan Lynch is interesting... awesome guy. Absolutely dominated his competition too. He made some plays in the Ball State game that were unreal. I actually watch a reasonable amount of his #MACtion games because my GF's family is a bunch of Northern Illinois people. I don't think people who play weak competition should get consideration though if I'm being honest.

I totally agree. He's crazy fun to watch, and incredible, but they only played 2 AQ teams this season. Watching them hang 55 on Purdue was pretty fun.

 

[pumpdog20]

When the guy who won the most awards in a single season EVER didn't win this supposedly "most outstanding" player award, it became a joke imo.

With that said, I like winston if he is innocent.

 

[fightingirish26]

I would actually vote for manziel. Hes just so good but he has a lot of haters, formerly including myself, that will probably prevent him from winning again.

 

[Redbar]

McCarron if Winston is formally charged.

This. Call it a lifetime achievement award.

 

[STLDomer]

Blake Barnett for Heisman

 

[Ironman8]

Andre Williams from Boston College should absolutely get votes.

 

[KPENN]

Well if you are going by the true definition of the award I'd vote Andre Williams. But it'll turn into an MVP type deal and Winston or McCarron.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

When the guy who won the most awards in a single season EVER didn't win this supposedly "most outstanding" player award, it became a joke imo.

With that said, I like winston if he is innocent.

I mean, Te'o had way more opportunities to win awards than any QB ever would have. There are like 100 trophies for defensive players. That Te'o stat, while impressive, is a little arbitrary.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

CJ Mosley should get votes as well IMO. Best player on the best team.

 

[Bishop2b5]

CJ Mosley should get votes as well IMO. Best player on the best team.

Won't ever happen, but I'd love to see the Heisman start going to the best player instead of just the best offensive skill position player with the gaudiest stats and most active promo campaign. Teo came close last year, but I'm afraid that's not going to be something we see very often.

 

[Catholics_Rule]

If I had a vote it would go to Andre Williams. 2,000+ rushing yards and 16 TDs. This is also a Boston College team that had 2 wins last season.

The Heisman Trophy is supposed to awarded to the student athlete that represents this description:
The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with dillegence, perseverance, and hard work.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think McCarron will almost certainly get invited to NYC, but is unlikely to win it. OTOH, if he lights it up the next two weeks, Manziel doesn't beat Mizzou, and Winston's situation doesn't get resolved, AJ may just end up winning it.

 

[IrishLax]

I think McCarron will almost certainly get invited to NYC, but is unlikely to win it. OTOH, if he lights it up the next two weeks, Manziel doesn't beat Mizzou, and Winston's situation doesn't get resolved, AJ may just end up winning it.

I really, really hope McCarron doesn't win it. I think the Heisman should be earned, not defaulted. And there is no way that I think he deserves it over a lot of these guys just because his supporting cast is so superior. There is no way that McCarron is a top 10 MVP player in the country, much less the #1 most outstanding guy.

 

[Irish#1]

Johnny Football laid an egg against LSU and with the losses he's out. He'll get invited but won't win. Winston won't win even if he isn't charged. The Heisman won't want that black eye. Mariotti is out with the losses. AJ wins by default.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Johnny Football laid an egg against LSU and with the losses he's out. He'll get invited but won't win. Winston won't win even if he isn't charged. The Heisman won't want that black eye. Mariotti is out with the losses. AJ wins by default.

I don't know that Manziel's definitely out yet. Laying an egg against LSU sure didn't help, but overall he's put up better numbers than last year in most categories. I'd put him first on my ballot if the voting was today. At best though, he has absolutely no room for error left.

I don't know that I'd call AJ winning it "by default," but even if that's how it is, I don't have a problem with it. Part of winning the Heisman is NOT laying an egg in critical games, not looking great sometimes and totally inept at others, and being consistently good. If you stumble badly down the stretch when the trophy's within your grasp, you probably don't deserve it. That being said, I think AJ has a very good chance, but probably finishes third.

 

[#1rish]

Louis Nix III

 

[phillyirish]

But... but.. I though Jadevon Clowney already won the award in August? I know he only has 2 sacks but in his defense he is getting duodecuple teamed every snap. Yea, yea its been since sep 14 since the last one but that was barley 2 and a half months ago and whats that in a 3 month long regular season.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Yeah, Clowney's been a big disappointment. I know he's been nicked up all year, but he's loafed all year too and just doesn't seem to have any fire in his belly. Unreal raw talent, but I'd hesitate to spend a high pick on him. His work ethic (or lack thereof) screams future NFL flop.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clowney will go to the first team drafting that doesn't need a QB.

 

[anarin]

Jordan Lynch is a monster. He is about to break the MAC record for single game rushing by a QB. Which happens to be his own record.

 

[irishfan]

I hate BC but if they get to 8-4 and he runs for ~2300 yards, I say give it to Williams.

But, I think McCarron will win. I don't think Auburn or Mizzou/SoCar will slow him down the next two weeks, and he's going to have the media and voters full attention the next two weeks.

And for the record, here is my post from our preseason Heisman thread on August 9th.

Either McCarron or Jameis Winston. I think both teams go 13-0.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/178480-2013-heisman-trophy-2.html#post1088085

Gotta toot your own horn sometimes.