Politics

[GoIrish41]

Liberals do not care about this!!! You have to know that. It's not about care. Its about people in the system!

"LOOK!! WE GAVE YOU HEALTH CARE AND THE NASTY GOP WANTED YOU TO DIE IN THE STREETS....thank you for your lifetime support of the democratic party"

You got us Pat. It has always been our plan to waste money not to make sure people are taken care of. Seriously, do you even read your posts before you hit send?

 

[BobD]

What's amazing is how anyone can be "Big government" and then chastise guys like this.

Hypocrites.

This makes absolutely no sense Pat. Someone that's pro "big government" is automatically against holding elected officials accountable? In your mind everyone for same sex marriage is a democrat or everyone against abortion is republican huh? You shouldn't be allowed to use that hypocrisy word.

 

[connor_in]

Dana Milbank: The Democrats’ naked power grab - The Washington Post

Dana Milbank - far from a conservative - put out a pretty good piece on the power grab in the Senate.

“Congress is broken,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday before holding a party-line vote that disposed of rules that have guided and protected the chamber since 1789.

If Congress wasn’t broken before, it certainly is now. What Reid (Nev.) and his fellow Democrats effectively did was take the chamber of Congress that still functioned at a modest level and turn it into a clone of the other chamber, which functions not at all. They turned the Senate into the House.

Democrats were fully justified in stripping Republicans of their right to filibuster President Obama’s nominees — yet they will come to deeply regret what they have done.

Certainly, Republicans have abused the dilatory tactics that Senate minorities have, for centuries, used with greater responsibility; they seem intent on bringing government to a halt. And the Senate in 2013 is hardly a healthy institution. Yet it has achieved far more than the House — passing bipartisan immigration legislation and a farm bill and working out deals to avoid default and to end the federal government shutdown — largely because, until Thursday, Senate rules required the majority party to win votes from the minority.

Here’s what then-Sen. Joe Biden said in 2005 when a Republican Senate majority threatened to use a similar “nuclear option” to allow a simple majority to carry the day:

“The nuclear option abandons America’s sense of fair play . . . tilting the playing field on the side of those who control and own the field. I say to my friends on the Republican side: You may own the field right now, but you won’t own it forever. I pray God when the Democrats take back control, we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.”

Sen. Carl Levin (Mich.), one of just three Democrats who opposed his colleagues’ naked power grab, read those words on the Senate floor Thursday after Reid invoked the nuclear option. The rumpled Levin is not known for his oratory. But he is retiring next year and free to speak his mind — and his words were potent.

“We need to change the rules, but to change it in the way we changed it today means there are no rules except as the majority wants them,” Levin said. “This precedent is going to be used, I fear, to change the rules on consideration of legislation, and down the road — we don’t know how far down the road; we never know that in a democracy — but, down the road, the hard-won protections and benefits for our people’s health and welfare will be lost.”

The word “historic” is often tossed around in Washington, but this change ends a tradition dating to the earliest days of the republic. For the nation’s first 118 years, there were no limits on debate in the Senate. After 1917, cutting off debate, or reaching “cloture,” required a two-thirds majority. In 1975, that threshold was reduced to 60 of 100 votes. Even that lower minimum required lawmakers to cooperate with each other.

“Cloture has fostered more bipartisanship in the Senate,” Donald Ritchie, the Senate historian, told me Thursday after Reid detonated his nuclear device. “The majority leader of the Senate is expected to try to work out some kind of a bipartisan deal to get enough votes to get cloture. Because the House is run by majority rule, it is seen as a sign of weakness if the majority leadership of the House has to get votes from the minority side.”

Now the Senate will be just as dysfunctional.

Reid was right that Republican obstruction has been intolerable; half of the 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations in the nation’s history, he noted, have come during the Obama presidency.

But Reid’s remedy — calling a simple-majority vote to undo more than two centuries of custom — has created a situation in which the minority leader, Mitch McConnell (Ky.), is expected to use the minority’s remaining powers to gum up the works, and to get revenge when Republicans regain the majority.

“If a Senate majority demonstrates it can make such a change once, there are no rules which binds a majority, and all future majorities will feel free to exercise the same power, not just on judges and executive appointments but on legislation,” Levin said Thursday. Quoting one of the Senate’s giants, Arthur Vandenberg, Levin said his fellow Democrats had sacrificed “vital principle for the sake of momentary convenience.”

If it was possible to make things even worse in Washington, Reid just did it.

I heard someone say in response to this that there had been no filibusters of judge nominations until Democrats did it to Bush. (I have not verified this so I cannot confirm the statement's accuracy.) But with the Republicans as the minority during the Obama administration, they have taken that to an enitrely new level. What if they do the same with this as the new rule the next time they have a Senate majority? What do you think Democrats will say at that point?

The Senate has always looked down on the House as rabble and considered themselves the more deliberative body. The reason for that being true have been thrown out the window now.

I know both sides have threatened this before, but its always been pulled back off of the ledge at the last minute. I think that neither side should have put this into effect, ever. I am afraid of both parties and their past abuses of power and fear this may lead to even more.

One interesting part in this is that there are people from both sides arguing their current side but have tape of themselves arguing the opposite just a few years ago...

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[phgreek]

One interesting part in this is that there are people from both sides arguing their current side but have tape of themselves arguing the opposite just a few years ago...


Right on the money. If anyone thinks Mitch McConnell and company decided not to go this way because of what was good for the nation...think again.

I love people who are invested in their beliefs...however, most people restrain that in a sense of "national interest". DC has a way of beating the national interest out of people who serve there...and over time it just turns into a partisan street fight....with no one remembering to evaluate things from the "national interest" perspective.

...the cynicism toward government is the collective wisdom of people who may not have a depth of scholarly understanding of the intent of our founders...they do know things are not moving in a direction they believe in...they do know the bodies collected to represent them...DON'T.

 

[irishpat183]

This makes absolutely no sense Pat. Someone that's pro "big government" is automatically against holding elected officials accountable? In your mind everyone for same sex marriage is a democrat or everyone against abortion is republican huh? You shouldn't be allowed to use that hypocrisy word.

Dude....

What my comment means, is that big government folks like you trust guys like this with things like our health care. He just got caught. There are plenty more sitting in those seats taking a paycheck that are doing the same thing, sometimes worse.

 

[BobD]

Dude....

What my comment means, is that big government folks like you trust guys like this with things like our health care. He just got caught. There are plenty more sitting in those seats taking a paycheck that are doing the same thing, sometimes worse.

Nope. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Whether someone is for big or small government, chances are both sides would want great people running the show.

You are banned from using the word hypocrisy until further notice.

 

[irishpat183]

Nope. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Whether someone is for big or small government, chances are both sides would want great people running the show.

You are banned from using the word hypocrisy until further notice.

Nope.

It doesn't matter what you WANT. Because government doesn't give a shit. Once that getst through your thick skull, you'll be better off.


The point of my comment was to show just how delusional the left is about trust in government.

 

[irishpat183]

Equility!!!! Right BobD and GoIrish??

Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals :: Northern Colorado Gazette

 

[BobD]

Equility!!!! Right BobD and GoIrish??

Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals :: Northern Colorado Gazette

I'm calling the Guinness book of world records.....you may be the dumbest person alive.

 

[irishpat183]

I'm calling the Guinness book of world records.....you may be the dumbest person alive.

Anyone that is considering a phone conversation with a book, shouldn't call someone else "dumb"

 

[Sureal]

One interesting part in this is that there are people from both sides arguing their current side but have tape of themselves arguing the opposite just a few years ago...


Right on the money. If anyone thinks Mitch McConnell and company decided not to go this way because of what was good for the nation...think again.

I love people who are invested in their beliefs...however, most people restrain that in a sense of "national interest". DC has a way of beating the national interest out of people who serve there...and over time it just turns into a partisan street fight....with no one remembering to evaluate things from the "national interest" perspective.

...the cynicism toward government is the collective wisdom of people who may not have a depth of scholarly understanding of the intent of our founders...they do know things are not moving in a direction they believe in...they do know the bodies collected to represent them...DON'T.

This right here. Great post.
It seems like each side switch positions every 4 years.
I'm sick of them and their crap.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm calling the Guinness book of world records.....you may be the dumbest person alive.

Yet you have argued with him point for point, for years now... and you keep coming back… and resort to insults… just saying.

 

[ACamp1900]

Dana Milbank: The Democrats’ naked power grab - The Washington Post

Dana Milbank - far from a conservative - put out a pretty good piece on the power grab in the Senate.




I heard someone say in response to this that there had been no filibusters of judge nominations until Democrats did it to Bush. (I have not verified this so I cannot confirm the statement's accuracy.) But with the Republicans as the minority during the Obama administration, they have taken that to an enitrely new level. What if they do the same with this as the new rule the next time they have a Senate majority? What do you think Democrats will say at that point?

The Senate has always looked down on the House as rabble and considered themselves the more deliberative body. The reason for that being true have been thrown out the window now.

I know both sides have threatened this before, but its always been pulled back off of the ledge at the last minute. I think that neither side should have put this into effect, ever. I am afraid of both parties and their past abuses of power and fear this may lead to even more.

One interesting part in this is that there are people from both sides arguing their current side but have tape of themselves arguing the opposite just a few years ago...

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This is Obama... Obama... crying over the fact that once elected, members of a certain party may play by strict party lines and majority chambers... Didn't someone once say "Elections have consequences"... yet the Republicans are the ones acting like children... okay.

 

[BobD]

Anyone that is considering a phone conversation with a book, shouldn't call someone else "dumb"

Thanks for more ammo JA, It's actually a business. I have a friend that works for them and I wasn't joking, I am sending them your name on IE so they can read your posts as evidence.

 

[BobD]

Yet you have argued with him point for point, for years now... and you keep coming back… and resort to insults… just saying.

And I talk with you from time to time also, so what's your point?

 

[irishpat183]

Thanks for more ammo JA, It's actually a business. I have a friend that works for them and I wasn't joking, I am sending them your name on IE so they can read your posts as evidence.

God help me if I ever have to work at a job like that. I be he complains about "low wages" too....


(and just call me a "jackass"...I can take it)

 

[connor_in]

Under Attack on All Sides, Obama Democrats Return to Ramming Speed | Fox News

It’s also a move that all but guarantees a worsening climate for doing anything but confirming judges. This is a tacit admission that the president’s second-term agenda is kaput and suggests that the few broken shards of cooperation that still remained in Congress will be pulverized. On the upside for the president, this will increase the chances of a government shutdown/debt-limit crisis next year, an eventually the currently represents the sum of Democratic hopes for preventing a midterm rout. So there is that.

What the “nuclear option” move – and Obama’s hasty public benediction of it – says is that the Obama Democrats are not feeling optimistic. A move that will disquiet moderates and embolden the liberal activists to whom the president is already beholden to keep ObamaCare lurching forward is the move of an administration and a party that has given up on convincing a skeptical center and returned to ramming speed.

Fire up the base, prepare for months of terrible turmoil and know that if you lose the Senate, at least you will have left a legacy of a liberal judiciary.

These are not the actions of people who expect things to improve anytime soon

Oh Goody...

 

[irishpat183]

Under Attack on All Sides, Obama Democrats Return to Ramming Speed | Fox News



Oh Goody...

The next liberal that screams "but this is a democracy" is getting a .45 round to their head

 

[Ndaccountant]

The next liberal that screams "but this is a democracy" is getting a .45 round to their head

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Nope. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Whether someone is for big or small government, chances are both sides would want great people running the show.

You are banned from using the word hypocrisy until further notice.

Hypocrisy: every scumbag politician who voted for obamacare swiftly exempted themselves from it.

 

[GoIrish41]

Equility!!!! Right BobD and GoIrish??

Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals :: Northern Colorado Gazette

Except homosesuals didn't sexually assault children.

 

[ACamp1900]

Except homosesuals didn't sexually assault children.

Some do...

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

A deal has been reached on Iran's nuclear program. Good work by the administration and our allies.

Iran nuclear deal reached in Geneva - CNN.com

 

[4irishnation]

A deal has been reached on Iran's nuclear program. Good work by the administration and our allies.

Iran nuclear deal reached in Geneva - CNN.com

Already????

 

[phgreek]

A deal has been reached on Iran's nuclear program. Good work by the administration and our allies.

Iran nuclear deal reached in Geneva - CNN.com

I respectfully disagree this is "Good".

I think it allows for Iran to "legally" own Knowledge, skills, abilities, and technology that can be weaponized. This deal legitimizes Iran to speak to consultants...ie it legitimizes participation from people in the know. This is not progress if you dislike the big stick in the hands of a country largely run by religious radicals...of the flavor who've shown disdain for western culture, and have acted upon it.

I realize the Obama administration is looking for a win...I do not at all believe this would be the win.

 

[Rizzophil]

This is a bad deal. It grants Iran exactly what it wanted, both a significant easing in sanctions and preservation of the most significant parts of its nuclear program,

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If Obama's approval ratings are at a new low in the US I'd love to see what they are in Israel after this

 

[connor_in]

Why Obama can’t wave away this scandal | New York Post

People are puzzled: Why would Barack Obama have lied about how wonderfully everything was going to go with ObamaCare when officials in his administration knew perfectly well that disaster was going to strike?

In one sense, the answer is simple: At the time, just before Oct. 1, Republicans were insisting ObamaCare be delayed or defunded. The president and his team weren’t going to give the enemy the satisfaction of agreeing — or the potent ammunition that would have come from a rueful admission the system wasn’t ready.

Today, a bipartisan agreement to delay ObamaCare seems like it would have been a pretty good deal. It didn’t look that way at all in the last two weeks of September.

But there’s a deeper reason he and his people lied: They did it because they could. They did it because nearly five years in the White House had given Obama and his team confidence they would not face the music and they could finesse the problems until they got fixed.

Consider the events that would have been unprecedented scandals in a Republican administration — with teams of reporters digging and scratching daily at every nook and cranny in every bureaucratic corridor — that have instead been covered dutifully but with relatively little passion and almost no follow-up. Why? Because it would have hurt Obama, that’s why.

First, the Obama Justice Department.

Attorney General Eric Holder has survived three scandals that would have felled a Republican. His department attempted to soft-pedal its responsibility for the so-called “gunwalking” policy called Fast and Furious — which led to the murders of US border agents by Mexican drug-cartel members with guns effectively provided to the killers by the Justice Department.

He approved the secret surveillance of Fox News Channel reporter James Rosen in a leak investigation on the outrageous grounds that Rosen was a possible “co-conspirator” in an act of espionage. And he approved similar tactics against reporters at the Associated Press in another leak investigation.

Holder’s still there. Obama defends him. When was the last time you heard Rosen’s name mentioned, or the AP story referenced, or Fast and Furious come up?

Second, the Internal Revenue Service.

The IRS’s own acknowledgement that it had targeted conservative groups with anti-liberal agendas has led to shamed retirements, hasty changes at the top of the agency and officials pleading the Fifth Amendment. These efforts were clearly undertaken to find means by which to aid Democratic efforts in the 2010 and 2012 election. One can only wonder at what would have been done to George W. Bush by the media had similar outrages been perpetated on leftist groups in 2003 and 2004. Obama suffered . . . a little. A very little.

Third, the State Department.

The unconscionable behavior of State Department and White House officials during and after the killing of four Americans in Benghazi at the height of the 2012 race —during which the American people were deliberately and consciously misled — has had no lasting consequences whatsoever. Obama felt free to select the chief liar, Susan Rice, as his national-security adviser without experiencing a moment’s fear about how her appointment might become a scandal.

Fourth, making law from the White House.

In 2011, the president said that owing to Republican recalcitrance in the House of Representatives, he would use his executive authority to get things done. And he has. As Tara Helfman writes in the December issue of Commentary, the magazine I edit, “Notwithstanding President Obama’s constitutional duty to enforce the law of the Untied States, where federal laws conflict with his policy preferences on gay marriage, illegal immigration and drug policy, the president has simply opted not to enforce or defend them.”

Moreover, to strengthen his hand with Hispanic voters in 2012, he ordered the Justice Department to follow certain provisions of a law governing illegal immigrants that has yet to be approved by the Congress. That is unprecedented.

So, if you want to understand the blindness and arrogance of the Obama White House in failing to appreciate the wave of rage and disappointment and disgusted wonderment that would hit them in the wake of the ObamaCare rollout, you need only consider these factors.

He has always had the protection of his liberal base.

He has always had the protection of Senate Democrats, who have not acted in any way to trouble him regarding these scandals and who have impeded aggressive investigations into them.

And he has always had the protection of the mainstream media.

As a result, Barack Obama and his administration have said what they felt they needed to say and done what they felt they needed to do for immediate political gain. They did so this time. But this time was different, because this time he was mishandling and discrediting the great liberal desideratum of our time — a national health-care system.

This time he hasn’t gotten away with it.

Yet.

Thoughts...

 

[phgreek]

Why Obama can’t wave away this scandal | New York Post



Thoughts...

This is a very basic accounting of the things that are known...

Hardcore partisans defend each Obama administration failure deftly by using time, deflection, and executive deniability...

Just this week Obama had an unprecedented "gathering" of friendly media to work on...."Messaging". Again, time and messaging may reduce the spotlight on Obamacare...momentarily...its what these guys are good at.

...but what the partisan operatives and the press can't do is combat the compounding effects on confidence...they have indeed created an entitled and unaccountable administration whose conduct continues to get worse...and their excuses and deflection less and less effective...

I'll say it...Mr. Obama's management/leadership on the substantive issues has been nothing short of incompetent...the only thing he does well is look good, and speak in an enviting and melodic tone...

 

[connor_in]

Obama: Republicans...hostage taking terrorists

Obama: Iran...let's give them the benefit of the doubt

Found on twitter today