'14 IN OLB/S Drue Tranquill (Notre Dame Man)

[Grahambo]

Yes, ain't life grand?

It's swell.

I love the recycled arguments.

 

[irishpat183]

Christ, Pat...

I was simply pointing out the irony in your adamant insistence that his ratings are correct, when you didn't even know that half of the services have him at 4s. So which is correct? Rivals and ESPN? Or 247 and Scout?



But you know that he's ranked right where he should be? And I'm ludicrous for suggesting a 6'2'' athlete who just ran a laser-timed 4.45 is likely better than ESPN's rating of 3, 39th ranked OLB?


I'd compare him to Baratti-- a high-character athlete with good size and borderline elite speed. I was high on Baratti for those reasons, and he's worked out pretty well; he'd probably be one of our starting Safeties right now if not for his injury.



You realize 'Bama has as many 3 commits as we do right now, right? Of course not. Why let a little thing like facts get in the way of your polemical shenanigans?

Hey, if he's "that" good....where is his offer from any SEC school? That's why he's got no offers from ANY other school worth talking about, besides ND and WIS...

And Bama needs scout team players too. They also have someone in the top 5 of nearly EVERY position they've recruited. Including 3 #1's and arguably the player of the year. So...Yeah.

And when it comes to Baratti, how does one "work out pretty well"...when they hardly play (injury or not)? And I doubt he plays much with guy's like Redfield and Schumate back there. And the coaches love affair with Farley.


But hey! Go Drue. Hope it works out for you. Lord knows we need help at LB.

 

[irishpat183]

Without going back through all of the drivel, are we really debating star's again?

Yes, ain't life grand?

It's swell.

I love the recycled arguments.

We're just reducing our carbon footprint

 

[palinurus]

Did they really expect our Heavenly Father to choose against Notre Dame of all schools? Come on Purdue- that's just weak sauce.

To paraphrase Holtz, God may not care, but his mother does.

 

[STLDomer]

And I doubt he plays much with guy's like Redfield and Schumate back there. And the coaches love affair with Farley.

I 100% guarantee if Baratti had not gotten hurt our starting safeties would be Farley and Baratti

 

[Whiskeyjack]

3 (or lower) commits in each class since 2009 according to 247 Composite:

ND
2009 - 11/ 20
2010 - 20/25
2011 - 12/23
2012 - 7/15
2013 - 4/23

5Y Average - 51%

'Bama

2009 - 12/28
2010 - 11/26
2011 - 8/26
2012 - 9/27
2013 - 8/26

5Y Average - 36%

Stanford

2009 - 12/21
2010 - 17/21
2011 - 13/20
2012 - 11/22
2013 - 8/12

5Y Average - 64%

 

[palinurus]

2013 - 8 out of 25
2012 - 9 out of 26
2011 - 5 out of 23
2010 - 10 out of 26
2009 - 9 out of 28

41 out of 128 or 32% of their recruits are 3 stars or lower.

(These numbers are based off of Rivals rankings)


That is a lot of 3 stars considering the dominance that program has exhibited.

They do have the luxury of over signing considering in a 4 year period they signed 100 recruits, which doesn't include any 5th year players they may have.

This is an almost stunning statistic re % of Bama's 3* recruits. It illustrates the value of really top notch, elite coaching.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

But doesn't it prove too much? I mean, if these other programs are so willing to take good 3-stars, why didn't they offer Tranquill?

 

[irishpat183]

I 100% guarantee if Baratti had not gotten hurt our starting safeties would be Farley and Baratti

That would be THIS YEAR. Once Redfield gets a year under his belt, Baratti will be playing gunner on ST.

The ONLY reason he would start is the same reason Farley is starting....because we don't have a lot of options. (youth or injury)

 

[irishpat183]

But doesn't it prove too much? I mean, if these other programs are so willing to take good 3-stars, why didn't they offer Tranquill?

Because he's a hidden gem and they just can't see it...

 

[tko]

why the constant vitriol?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Hey, if he's "that" good....where is his offer from any SEC school? That's why he's got no offers from ANY other school worth talking about, besides ND and WIS...

Where was Eifert's SEC offer? Or Trent Murphy's? ND and Stanford regularly send guys to the league that never got a look from southern schools. SEC offers are a pretty arbitrary standard to use.

And Bama needs scout team players too. They also have someone in the top 5 of nearly EVERY position they've recruited. Including 3 #1's and arguably the player of the year. So...Yeah.

I pointed out that you're only happy with 4 and 5 recruits. You replied with "You're ****ing right I am. This is ND. Not Purdue." I pointed out that 'Bama has as many 3s committed right now as we do. To which you respond: "Well they're still out-recruiting us!"

No sh!t, Sherlock. 'Bama out-recruits everyone. And before you changed the subject, we had pretty well established that everyone takes a lot of 3s. Even 'Bama. There's no way to run a successful program without them.

And when it comes to Baratti, how does one "work out pretty well"...when they hardly play (injury or not)?

He had 8 tackles, 1 INT, and featured on most of our STs as a true freshman. That's better production than we get from most of our 4 and 5 true freshman, let alone a 3 ATH that endured the same type of criticism that Tranquill is getting right now.

And I doubt he plays much with guy's like Redfield and Schumate back there. And the coaches love affair with Farley.

He was ahead of both Shumate and Collinsworth on the depth chart last year. As SLU mentioned, it's nearly certain he would be starting this year but for his shoulder injury.

 

[ThePiombino]

why the constant vitriol?

This.

 

[irishog77]

why the constant vitriol?

Yeah, some of this I don't understand.

I've never been real high on Tranquil. I think he MIGHT turn out...in a couple/few years (which doesn't necessarily help an impending ILB crisis now). I'm not upset that the staff brought him into the fold for this cycle though.

But I've certainly felt no need to voice my opinion after his verbal (until now), let alone go on a crusade of sorts against him/perceived lesser players.

It seems we have one camp that feels a need to constantly remind us Tyler Eifert and Tyrann Mathieu were "lowly ranked" players and another that is only happy with 25 recruits a year that are consensus Top-100 players. And perhaps the people who tell us this stuff on the reg don't completely feel that way....but yet can't fight the impulse to keep telling us this, one way or another.

Internet Tough Guy Syndrome abounds!

 

[chubler]

Regardless of your opinion on the ideal of 3 star recruits for ND, I'm gonna propose that (look, optimism) this kind of 3* guy vs. the kind we "used" to get is a step up for the program. Tranquill may be 3* talent at this very moment at safety, but has the potential and athleticism to play well above that rating once he gets here at ILB or 'star'. This is the kind of 3-star talent we want to be bringing in, with a high floor and a higher ceiling, despite his lack of other premier offers. We have nothing to lose- at worst he's quality depth at multiple positions for which we don't have a proven answer. Unless you'd prefer another slow ILB who can't cover, because you know exactly what you're going to get.

Edit: sorry, posted this right as people were trying to get this silliness wrapped up. ignore me haha

 

[ulukinatme]

Without going back through all of the drivel, are we really debating star's again?

Yes, ain't life grand?

It's swell.

I love the recycled arguments.

 

[SoDakDomer]

Dude...half those were NOT 3 star. Kap and Stewart were studs from TX (Stewart was a 5 for some services), both solid 4 stars. Zach Martin was a solid 4 star. Shembo, Councell Spond, GAIII all were as well...

What?? Are you kidding me?

I got the list from Rivals. Sorry I didn't google the ratings you put out.

 

[Irishfan33]

Guys, star* aren't everything.
That's why i have a job....

3* means project, that's were coaches earn there pay,can you coach them up to there full potencial.

Now, in my expierience Florida,georgia,alabama,Louisianna,Miss,Texas,California 3* and even some 2* kids are better than northern 2-3-4*

Thats why Bama signs so many 3* kids... projects,but projects that coached right are high
4* 5* and Saban see's that.

If you want to win in this day and age of football you must recruit speed.

And northern guys please please do not take this the wrong way, it is fact, there is alot more talent in the south.

This is why the Wisconsons,Michigans,michigan states,Notre Dame's even when there ranked high and have a roster full of 3-4-5* kids will always lose 9 out of 10 games to a Bama,Georgia,South Carolina,Lsu,Auburn.

This is why i was assigned to North Carolina,SC,Bama,MS,LA,Tx,GA,Northern Florida

They knew i was wasting my time in South florida, that will never be our territory, once in a while we get one but not enough.

 

[gkIrish]

I got the list from Rivals. Sorry I didn't google the ratings you put out.

How did you get your list from Rivals if all the people Pat mentioned were 4 stars on Rivals?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Guys, star* aren't everything.
That's why i have a job....

3* means project, that's were coaches earn there pay,can you coach them up to there full potencial.

Now, in my expierience Florida,georgia,alabama,Louisianna,Miss,Texas,California 3* and even some 2* kids are better than northern 2-3-4*

Thats why Bama signs so many 3* kids... projects,but projects that coached right are high
4* 5* and Saban see's that.

If you want to win in this day and age of football you must recruit speed.

And northern guys please please do not take this the wrong way, it is fact, there is alot more talent in the south.

This is why the Wisconsons,Michigans,michigan states,Notre Dame's even when there ranked high and have a roster full of 3-4-5* kids will always lose 9 out of 10 games to a Bama,Georgia,South Carolina,Lsu,Auburn.
This is why i was assigned to North Carolina,SC,Bama,MS,LA,Tx,GA,Northern Florida

They knew i was wasting my time in South florida, that will never be our territory, once in a while we get one but not enough.

Well there's that along w the fact that these $EC schools bring in an additional class worth of "student athletes" in a rolling 4 year time frame. Let's not pretend for a minute that it doesn't happen or help.

I posted this then read the previous page and saw that this point had been made a time or 2. Nice work fellas.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's swill.

I love the recycled arguments.

Fixed if for you, bro!

Thought I would enter here. Does anybody know:

Whiskey tries to throw out facts for anyone's edification. (He doesn't make things up, and if you have ever fact checked an error he posted let me know.)

Other than supplying facts, anything else posted on this site is opinion, no matter how informed.

Most people are on this site for fun.

If I were Drue, and I checked out this site after changing my commitment, I would consider putting my head in an oven. (Pat and Hog that is gas, not electric!)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Drue, a chara,

Coinnigh an creideamh! Is féidir leat a bheith gan íoc –

Croith síos an toirneach!

Fáilte ar bord! Ádh mór agus téigh Gaeilge

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogtrotter

 

[irishog77]

Fixed if for you, bro!

Thought I would enter here. Does anybody know:

Whiskey tries to throw out facts for anyone's edification. (He doesn't make things up, and if you have ever fact checked an error he posted let me know.)

Other than supplying facts, anything else posted on this site is opinion, no matter how informed.

Most people are on this site for fun.

If I were Drue, and I checked out this site after changing my commitment, I would consider putting my head in an oven. (Pat and Hog that is gas, not electric!)

I guess we're all lucky you're not Drue.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I guess we're all lucky you're not Drue.

Why is that?










(Yes I was kidding.)

 

[SoDakDomer]

How did you get your list from Rivals if all the people Pat mentioned were 4 stars on Rivals?

kap, martin, council, and GAIII were 3* on scout, , shembo and spond 3* on 24/7

 

[Bogtrotter07]

UlooK agus Whiskey, a chara,

Go raibh míle maith agat an méid sin! Tá sé deas go bhfuil gach ceann de na guthanna cliste sa bhfásach!

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs

 

[gkIrish]

kap, martin, council, and GAIII were 3* on scout, , shembo and spond 3* on 24/7

Ok. Just making sure you get your facts straight.

 

[SoDakDomer]

I looked at all 3 sites and picked out the best ones. Made a better arguement, stop fact checking me!

 

[connor_in]

UlooK agus Whiskey, a chara,

Go raibh míle maith agat an méid sin! Tá sé deas go bhfuil gach ceann de na guthanna cliste sa bhfásach!

Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs

Somebody get Bogs a tech guy...his autocorrect is waaaaaaay off

 

[Crazy Balki]

Guys, star* aren't everything.
That's why i have a job....

3* means project, that's were coaches earn there pay,can you coach them up to there full potencial.

Now, in my expierience Florida,georgia,alabama,Louisianna,Miss,Texas,California 3* and even some 2* kids are better than northern 2-3-4*

Thats why Bama signs so many 3* kids... projects,but projects that coached right are high
4* 5* and Saban see's that.

If you want to win in this day and age of football you must recruit speed.

And northern guys please please do not take this the wrong way, it is fact, there is alot more talent in the south.

This is why the Wisconsons,Michigans,michigan states,Notre Dame's even when there ranked high and have a roster full of 3-4-5* kids will always lose 9 out of 10 games to a Bama,Georgia,South Carolina,Lsu,Auburn.

This is why i was assigned to North Carolina,SC,Bama,MS,LA,Tx,GA,Northern Florida

They knew i was wasting my time in South florida, that will never be our territory, once in a while we get one but not enough.

I don't think stars have much, if anything to do with region. It's all about publicity. A player that sends in a ton of film and visits a bunch of camps will be rated higher than somebody who has very little film and goes to no camps. That is why Trumbetti is only a 3-star on Rivals, even though he was selected as a UA All-American. Thomas Holley, Isaiah McKenzie, Matt Dickerson and yes, even Drue Tranquill are in the same boat. Holley was not rated at all last year, and now he sits at 5-stars, because he went to camps and put in film. That's how it works.