'14 TX LB Kolin Hill (Texas Tech Transfer)

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Either this kid plays with 12 year olds or he is much bigger than his listed size

If it doesn't make you feel like too much of a stalker check out his twitter. He is a very impressive kid physically and looks taller than 6'2 with long arms. Probably needs coaching but he does have that Okwara (freak athlete) thing going on.
 

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I don't believe that. Are you telling me schools like Tennessee, Cal, ASU, Miami, South Carolina and Michigan all have better pitches right now?

Because they all have top 25 LB's committed.

We were in the freaking title game last year, for crying out loud. Led by a Heisman candidate LB.

least resistance is the most preferred way in order to get to the NFL for these guys...school work vs girls and partying ....it's a no brainer unless you have a solid family that truly has academics and understands there is a life after football and you might just not make it
 

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People get way to wrapped up into the rating system for recruits, including my self. This kid has nice hands and plays violent, could be a gem

There is a rating system for a reason...

I love how every 2-3 star we get is a "gem" and every 5 star we miss is overrated. LOL

We shouldn't be fighting UTEP for kids.



But he is from TX...his 2 star is really a 4.
 

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Either this kid plays with 12 year olds or he is much bigger than his listed size

If it doesn't make you feel like too much of a stalker check out his twitter. He is a very impressive kid physically and looks taller than 6'2 with long arms. Probably needs coaching but he does have that Okwara (freak athlete) thing going on.

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dude is big and he is on the left
 

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What about all of the other LB's offered after Tranquill? Just naming the few that got in before doesn't prove anything. But how does simply accepting filling up our LB corps with project players count as "coming up with solutions"?

Where is the accountability?

I wasn't posting to come up with solutions this initially started because you said that staff was "asleep at the wheel" that implies lack of effort or awareness. I was simply pointing out that couldn't be further from the truth.
 

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Definitely worth an offer. Always a tough pull to get them out of Texas, but this staff is very active there and has increasing success. I'll keep saying it, Texas has great H.S. football, year round sports, and great athletes. We need to snatch some.
 

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least resistance is the most preferred way in order to get to the NFL for these guys...school work vs girls and partying ....it's a no brainer unless you have a solid family that truly has academics and understands there is a life after football and you might just not make it[/QUOTE]

Which is few are far between these days. Just yesterday Hand is a perfect example. He chose Alabama over Michigan and sited academics as a reason. Are you kidding me. The kid is either been lied to and is extremely gullible or he is lying through his teeth to save face. Either one ND will never win that. That is a small microcosm of some of the issues we have to battle at ND.
 

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IMO, this is the kind of kid that proves recruiting ratings are sorta bogus. Completely unrated by three services, a 2:s: by the other. There is no way that physically he isn't as gifted as many of the high 3:s: players ND has signed in past classes.

If he had signed with Colorado or Boise he would probably not get any fanfare or bump. Now that he has an ND offer, I bet you all the other services start rating him and his grade magically improves to the upper limit of his physical abilities.
 

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I wasn't posting to come up with solutions this initially started because you said that staff was "asleep at the wheel" that implies lack of effort or awareness. I was simply pointing out that couldn't be further from the truth.

and I disagree. I think we put effort in the wrong places, with the wrong timing, with the wrong people.

If that wasn't true, we would be in a better position.
 

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and I disagree. I think we put effort in the wrong places, with the wrong timing, with the wrong people.

If that wasn't true, we would be in a better position.

So who should we have recruited harder and earlier?
 

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There is a rating system for a reason...

I love how every 2-3 star we get is a "gem" and every 5 star we miss is overrated. LOL

We shouldn't be fighting UTEP for kids.



But he is from TX...his 2 star is really a 4.

Shut up Pat, i never said their shouldn't be a rating system nor did i say he is a gem. Your allowed to have your opinion and usually i defend you but get off your damn high horse
 

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I don't believe that. Are you telling me schools like Tennessee, Cal, ASU, Miami, South Carolina and Michigan all have better pitches right now?

Because they all have top 25 LB's committed.

We were in the freaking title game last year, for crying out loud. Led by a Heisman candidate LB.
We have a top 25 inside linebacker committed as well.

Greer Martini

Edit: Cal, ASU, Miami and South Carolina do not have any top 25 ILB at the moment, not sure where you looked but I am basing off of the 247 composite.
 
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I understand what you are saying wooly, but it doesn't change the fact that we aren't getting the guys so therefore we have to recruit the other guys. If you miss you still need linebackers, and therefore may have to take some flyers.

Recruiting is more than just the coaches getting out and talking to players, because if it wasn't than there wouldn't be much of a difference between Alabama, and UNLV. It is about tradition, success on the gridiron, weather, academics, and the list could go on. If those things don't fit into what the kids want than there is no use recruiting them.

The linebacker position has so far been an outlier in the Brian Kelly era, and not the norm for all positions. Is that because they recruit linebackers differently than the rest of the prospects? Why do they seem to have success at some of the other positions such as the offensive line and not linebacker? Do you think they are doing things differently in that regard?

Edit: Also I am not one to gush over many prospects before they step onto the football field in real DI action, it isn't worth it. There is really no telling who will be great and who won't. This kid Kolin Hill has just as much of a chance to be the next Ray Lewis as anyone else in this class for all we know.

The result is on the staff, I agree thats the way it is but your initial post said my point is we are asleep at the wheel with major LB recruits and that couldn't be further from the truth. We are trying our butts off and they aren't coming.

We've been in the mix with guys like Tranquill from the start, while we are not getting interest from a variety of top prospects. If you want to believe that the staff has been "trying their butt off" with all of the top linebackers, then I assume that you think that they are doing a terrible job at recruiting LB's this cycle, right?

You can't have it both ways. The result is that we are missing on all of the elite LB's, despite offering immediate playing time. So we are either bad at recruiting them or putting in the wrong efforts. It's simple math.

Interesting point about how we can get the 5 star OL prospects, but not the DT's & LB's. Maybe our OL recruiter should handle the LB's for a year or two or at least be heavily involved early.
 
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Are the people complaining watching his tape ? Great motor , Long arms ,strong and good tackling . 5 stars lately have seemed to be more trouble than they are worth Lynch , Vanderdoes ,Shepard and as you know a few others . If a Elite talent want's to truly come to Notre Dame wonderful . I'm just sick of elite ego's and negotiating with kids that want more than one of best free educations in the nation .
 

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Interesting point about how we can get the 5 star OL prospects, but not the DT's & LB's. Maybe our OL recruiter should handle the LB's for a year or two or at least be heavily involved early.

Offensive lineman are often the smartest on the team which for whatever reason they are the one's who come from more stable family situations and have a real focus towards academics....also look to the areas that lineman often come from...they arn't TYPICALLY coming from inner cities
 

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I think we should have a full time linebacker coach, that isn't the defensive coordinator and assistant head coach. I am not sure if other schools have this, but I would assume kids like having a specific position coach. I'm not sure what this affects, or if it does at all but just a thought.
 

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Interesting point about how we can get the 5 star OL prospects, but not the DT's & LB's. Maybe our OL recruiter should handle the LB's for a year or two or at least be heavily involved early.

Thats interesting as I think Hiestand is a great recruiter of OL. However, to me, more than anything its the type of prospect that matters most. OL is one of the few positions that seems to be more grounded, long term focused, etc. They usually don't choose schools for early playing time because its never really an option. I think there is just a lot more that goes into it for other positions. QB's are generally the same.
 

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I think we should have a full time linebacker coach, that isn't the defensive coordinator and assistant head coach. I am not sure if other schools have this, but I would assume kids like having a specific position coach. I'm not sure what this affects, or if it does at all but just a thought.

Diaco makes a fine linebacker coach.

What he shouldn't be doing is splitting his time as a special teams coach.
 

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I think we should have a full time linebacker coach, that isn't the defensive coordinator and assistant head coach. I am not sure if other schools have this, but I would assume kids like having a specific position coach. I'm not sure what this affects, or if it does at all but just a thought.

I like that idea. Then Diacco could spend more time on his schemes, so we can adjust and adpat more quickly rather than just playing bend don't break until the opposition gets inside the 20 and then blitz.

I like this kid. He appears to have a great upside.
 

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Diaco makes a fine linebacker coach.

What he shouldn't be doing is splitting his time as a special teams coach.
I'm not disputing him as a linebacker coach, but was more asking if kids coming in like having a coach that is dedicated to only their position. Offensive line has their own coach, corners, safeties, you name it. The only position we have trouble recruiting consistently doesn't have a dedicated position coach. Just my thoughts on the matter. I wasn't questioning Diaco's coaching.
 

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There is a rating system for a reason...

I love how every 2-3 star we get is a "gem" and every 5 star we miss is overrated. LOL

We shouldn't be fighting UTEP for kids.



But he is from TX...his 2 star is really a 4.

Everything is bigger in Texas?
 

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We went after the top kids in the country and they didnt want to be here. But whos to say getting a top 20 kid in their position works out better than the guys we just offered. I'd be willing to bet that outside the top 5 linebackers, there are much more gems in outside the top 20 list of that position than in it. Rankings don't mean anything.
 

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And a school like Ole Miss can offer:

- Immediate playing time
- Great weather
- No worry on class work
- Gorgeous girls
- SEC competition
- "The chance to be the next Patrick Willis"
- $$$$$

Some guys simply want different things. If you are trying to tell me BK and ND isn't recruiting the hell out of a guy like Nyles Morgan, I think you are flat out wrong. They even have the parents on their side. Some kids simply want different things out of their college choice. That doesn't mean they aren't recruiting well, it just means the kid wants something different, which is fully his choice and I get it. You can't make a kid choose your school simply because you recruit him hard and you are ND.

You ever been to Mississippi in the summer? Two-a-days would be torture.
 

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I'm not disputing him as a linebacker coach, but was more asking if kids coming in like having a coach that is dedicated to only their position. Offensive line has their own coach, corners, safeties, you name it. The only position we have trouble recruiting consistently doesn't have a dedicated position coach. Just my thoughts on the matter. I wasn't questioning Diaco's coaching.

Yea, but I'd think that if your position coach is good enough to run the whole defense, you'd feel pretty good about his abilities. When you split into position groups, he will be the guy who is coaching you up the most. When you come together into a full defense, he's the guy who is coaching you up the most.
 

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Shut up Pat, i never said their shouldn't be a rating system nor did i say he is a gem. Your allowed to have your opinion and usually i defend you but get off your damn high horse

I wasn't picking on you, per say, it was more a general comment. You can't deny what I said doesn't go on around here...

And you shut up! Stupid face!
 

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I wasn't picking on you, per say, it was more a general comment. You can't deny what I said doesn't go on around here...

And you shut up! Stupid face!

It does go on around here that is correct. And no pat you shut up! I remember when i had my first beer...
 

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