'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[woolybug25]

Don't blame him. He would've been playing already if he went to another school. He has more potential than our other running backs. Don't understand why they won't give him more touches. Just like not playing Malik when Rees, who is not only a mediocre QB, but will be leaving next year. Don't understand how the coaching staff thinks. But another very good recruit might be leaving again.

Give me a break. Would he be starting at OU right now? That answer is no, and that is who he chose us over.

Bottom line, potential is just that... Potential. Many people thought Koyak had more potential than Niklas and some even thought more than Eifert. How did that work?

I play in reality, and reality is that he isn't capable of outplaying most of the other backs right now. In fact, as of today, Folston is a much more complete back. That's reality... So if you want to play the "what if" game, then go ahead. The rest of us will look at the situation like reasonable people.

 

[Ironman8]

Why did he and Hunter stay back for last Sunday's game?

None of the freshman on redshirt track travelled.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Maybe we can just run straight wild cat the rest of the year and we could play Folston and Bryant in the backfield together every play

 

[wizards8507]

Don't blame him. He would've been playing already if he went to another school. He has more potential than our other running backs. Don't understand why they won't give him more touches. Just like not playing Malik when Rees, who is not only a mediocre QB, but will be leaving next year. Don't understand how the coaching staff thinks. But another very good recruit might be leaving again.

It's not just about developing potential for the future. There are current-season concerns as well, i.e. is he ready now?

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[woolybug25]

What exactly has kept this kid from seeing the field more, a lack of understanding of the system, attitude, work ethic, Kelly having a hard on for some players and playing mind games with him? Anyone have a clue?

He doesn't pass block well, doesn't know his assignments well an in practice/games hasn't shown the reliability of the other backs.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Why did he and Hunter stay back for last Sunday's game?

Is there a limit, rule-wise, on the # of players who can travel?

 

[koonja]

Give me a break. Would he be starting at OU right now? That answer is no, and that is who he chose us over.

Bottom line, potential is just that... Potential. Many people thought Koyak had more potential than Niklas and some even thought more than Eifert. How did that work?

I play in reality, and reality is that he isn't capable of outplaying most of the other backs right now. In fact, as of today, Folston is a much more complete back. That's reality... So if you want to play the "what if" game, then go ahead. The rest of us will look at the situation like reasonable people.

It's not fair to compare Koyac to Greg Bryant. Greg Bryant is a physical specimen and will be a monster at whatever school he ends up at.

 

[koonja]

He doesn't pass block well, doesn't know his assignments well an in practice/games hasn't shown the reliability of the other backs.

Ironman said a couple weeks ago that Greg was reportedly very impressive in practices.

 

[IrishLion]

Ironman said a couple weeks ago that Greg was reportedly very impressive in practices.

But if I recall correctly, TP also said around the same time that Greg was having trouble with the playbook/pass pro assignments. You can't see the field if you're a liability to get someone killed.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Give me a break. Would he be starting at OU right now? That answer is no, and that is who he chose us over.

Bottom line, potential is just that... Potential. Many people thought Koyak had more potential than Niklas and some even thought more than Eifert. How did that work?

I play in reality, and reality is that he isn't capable of outplaying most of the other backs right now. In fact, as of today, Folston is a much more complete back. That's reality... So if you want to play the "what if" game, then go ahead. The rest of us will look at the situation like reasonable people.

Now your the one not in reality.

It's not fair to compare Koyac to Greg Bryant. Greg Bryant is a physical specimen and will be a monster at whatever school he ends up at.

Koyak was considered the same potential at his position as Greg was his.

 

[koonja]

Now your the one not in reality.



Koyak was considered the same potential at his position as Greg was his.

Greg's at a position that's easier to 'rank'. RBs have the easiest transition to the next level, at any level.

 

[#1rish]

None of the freshman on redshirt track travelled.

Ah, thanks.

 

[pkt77242]

It's not fair to compare Koyac to Greg Bryant. Greg Bryant is a physical specimen and will be a monster at whatever school he ends up at.

Koyack is/was as well. 6'5" 230-240 and with good speed (Rivals lists it as 4.59).

 

[woolybug25]

It's not fair to compare Koyac to Greg Bryant. Greg Bryant is a physical specimen and will be a monster at whatever school he ends up at.

Koyak has all of the tools and had heavy expectations. I also wasn't comparing them as players (they don't even play the same position, ya weirdo).

Again, just because the kid is ripped doesn't mean that he is going to be a monster. The REALITY is that he wasn't a monster this year and he doesn't want to be here unless he immediately is. So play in fantasy land if you want to, but I don't want Kelly to play this kid over the other 3-4 guys that have a) earned it and b) shown they can play.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wait, so this is just another thing we can blame on Rees. Seriously. So if we had Golson back there (or anyone else) they would be more mobile and definitely not pull the 'Manning' at the line and call out protection and audibles. So basically if anyone else was our QB, Bryant would get the playing time he desires as the things he lacks in wouldn't be an issue. ****ing Rees does it again.

 

[koonja]

But if I recall correctly, TP also said around the same time that Greg was having trouble with the playbook/pass pro assignments. You can't see the field if you're a liability to get someone killed.

Even if you don't have 100% of the play book down, a good college football coach integrates elite talent at the RB position to both help in the now and in the future. Todd Gurley at Georiga, DeAnthony Thomas at Oregon, TJ Yeldon at Alabama, the list goes on. Those coaches built packages that sped up the learning curve and got their talented freshman on the field.

They either are better teachers or understood how to integrate their talented freshman RBs better than Kelly. I have a hard time believing ND players aren't as intelligent and able to pick up the playbook than the likes of Georiga, Alabama, etc.

And we don't have a great RB ahead of Greg/Folston. The risk-reward is worth it to get them on the field IMO.

 

[#1rish]

Greg's upset at his lack of touches? Doesn't his injured knee have some part in that?

 

[woolybug25]

Ironman said a couple weeks ago that Greg was reportedly very impressive in practices.

In one practice! Every runningback had looked good in practice at some point. The fact remains is that he is behind 3-4 backs in understanding if the offense, blocking and production.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Greg's upset at his lack of touches? Doesn't his injured knee have some part in that?

We are only assuming that. But he didn't get touches even prior to the injury. Actually come to think of it, if he wasn't getting touches, how the hell did he get injured.

 

[irishff1014]

Why did he and Hunter stay back for last Sunday's game?

Probably to make room for some admin to go.

 

[wizards8507]

We are only assuming that. But he didn't get touches even prior to the injury. Actually come to think of it, if he wasn't getting touches, how the hell did he get injured.

Curiouser and curiouser...

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[WakeUpEchoes]

We are only assuming that. But he didn't get touches even prior to the injury. Actually come to think of it, if he wasn't getting touches, how the hell did he get injured.

Most college football teams do this thing called practice.

 

[koonja]

In one practice! Every runningback had looked good in practice at some point. The fact remains is that he is behind 3-4 backs in understanding if the offense, blocking and production.

IDK where you got 'one practice' from. Could you please find the post you're referring to? Because I remember reading it as he's been impressive in practice, meaning, he's been impressive in practice.

IDK where you got the singular version from.

 

[IrishLion]

Even if you don't have 100% of the play book down, a good college football coach integrates elite talent at the RB position to both help in the now and in the future. Todd Gurley at Georiga, DeAnthony Thomas at Oregon, TJ Yeldon at Alabama, the list goes on. Those coaches built packages that sped up the learning curve and got their talented freshman on the field.

They either are better teachers or understood how to integrate their talented freshman RBs better than Kelly. I have a hard time believing ND players aren't as intelligent and able to pick up the playbook than the likes of Georiga, Alabama, etc.

Yes, but those schools have ample opportunity to integrate those players in favorable situations. ND has played in 5 close games that offered almost no chance to use such scripted packages. You use those things with the game well in-hand... the only game ND has had like that is Temple, and Bryant got a few touches against them.

There was no chance against scUM, MSU, Purdue, Oklahoma or ASU. The only reason Folston was on the field against Oklahoma was because he knows enough of the playbook to be a receiver in addition to a runner. If Bryant knew these things, he would've gotten the same shot. He hasn't. What does that tell you?

 

[pkt77242]

Greg's at a position that's easier to 'rank'. RBs have the easiest transition to the next level, at any level.

WTF. That is what they say. Go back and look at 2009. Those recruits have had 4 years to make an impact. Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com running backs 2009
or 2010 Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com running backs 2010 or 2011 Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - Rivals.com running backs 2011

There are plenty of hits and misses among the top 10.

 

[koonja]

Yes, but those schools have ample opportunity to integrate those players in favorable situations. ND has played in 5 close games that offered almost no chance to use such scripted packages. You use those things with the game well in-hand... the only game ND has had like that is Temple, and Bryant got a few touches against them.

There was no chance against scUM, MSU, Purdue, Oklahoma or ASU. The only reason Folston was on the field against Oklahoma was because he knows enough of the playbook to be a receiver in addition to a runner. If Bryant knew these things, he would've gotten the same shot. He hasn't. What does that tell you?

This I agree with. It's harder to trust the young guys when you're in close games. Along with many others, I still thought they should give Greg/Folston a few carries in each game. You have to invest in your future. And in this case I seriously doubt it would compromise the present consider we don't have a really good RB ahead of the freshman.

 

[woolybug25]

Even if you don't have 100% of the play book down, a good college football coach integrates elite talent at the RB position to both help in the now and in the future. Todd Gurley at Georiga, DeAnthony Thomas at Oregon, TJ Yeldon at Alabama, the list goes on. Those coaches built packages that sped up the learning curve and got their talented freshman on the field.

They either are better teachers or understood how to integrate their talented freshman RBs better than Kelly. I have a hard time believing ND players aren't as intelligent and able to pick up the playbook than the likes of Georiga, Alabama, etc.

Jesus man... Do you even know what has been going on. So a coach that has gotten a ton of freshman on the field this year (many at a high level) doesn't know how to integrate a guy that has battled nagging injuries, not gotten the playbook and has done nothing in his limited touches?

Where is Greg's responsibility? Fact is, he has 4 guys that have all shown significantly more effort and ability then him. Meanwhile, you just want to start a freshman that hasn't proven anything just because you like how he looks with his shirt off.

 

[Ironman8]

Even if you don't have 100% of the play book down, a good college football coach integrates elite talent at the RB position to both help in the now and in the future. Todd Gurley at Georiga, DeAnthony Thomas at Oregon, TJ Yeldon at Alabama, the list goes on.

They either are better teachers or understood how to integrate their talented freshman RBs better than Kelly. I have a hard time believing ND players aren't as intelligent and able to pick up the playbook than the likes of Georiga, Alabama, etc.

Yeah. Derrick Henry, Altee Tenpenny and Tyren Jones are seeing a ton of carries at Bama. Derrick Green is getting a ton of meaningful carries at Michigan. Ty Isaac is getting a ton of carries at USC. Keith Ford blew us away at Oklahoma. Thomas Tyner doesn't basically only play in garbage time at Oregon. Barry Sanders didn't redshirt last year at Stanford.

You name elite talent outliers. The norm is not to have true freshman carry a big load, especially in the first 6 games of the schedule. If and when they do contribute consistently, it is later in the year. Hopefully we see Folston do that.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

This I agree with. It's harder to trust the young guys when you're in close games. Along with a select few others, I still thought they should give Greg/Folston a few carries in each game.

FIFY.

 

[woolybug25]

IDK where you got 'one practice' from. Could you please find the post you're referring to? Because I remember reading it as he's been impressive in practice, meaning, he's been impressive in practice.

IDK where you got the singular version from.

Where am I getting it?

From people that have actually seen the practices. Not just assumptions of what you "hope" the kid is doing.