ND Oversold on Kelly?

[ThePiombino]

But you haven't learned a damn thing about ND or football in the time you been here, have you?

There's an axiom, God gave you two ears and one mouth, use them in that proportion.

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Your continual whines about Longo, Bryant, academics have a common demoninator ... you knew nothing about the topics but made post, after post, after post about them.

Still a few months left, but...

'POST OF THE YEAR'???

 

[woolybug25]

But you haven't learned a damn thing about ND or football in the time you been here, have you?

There's an axiom, God gave you two ears and one mouth, use them in that proportion.

Read more, post less.


Your continual whines about Longo, Bryant, academics have a common demoninator ... you knew nothing about the topics but made post, after post, after post about them.

I think you forgot about us not having a spring BBQ...

 

[koonja]

I think you forgot about us not having a spring BBQ...

I've never had an opinion or made a comment about the Spring BBQ. I don't even know what it is. You must have me confused with another brilliant poster.

 

[woolybug25]

I've never had an opinion or made a comment about the Spring BBQ. I don't even know what it is. You must have me confused with another brilliant poster.

Ha... after searching, that was SLU. My apologies. Just trying to make a funny.

 

[koonja]

Ha... after searching, that was SLU. My apologies. Just trying to make a funny.

NOW I'm offended!

 

[Irish#1]

this.

Pat needs other things going on in his life before he has a stroke.

Maybe it's that newborn keeping him up at night that has him so edgy? lol

 

[ThePiombino]

Maybe it's that newborn keeping him up at night that has him so edgy? lol

Then what was his excuse prior to that?

 

[irishfanjho15]

It's so easy to criticize BK right now for a number of people, but the bottom line is he will continue to win wherever he goes in college football. If he goes to the NFL he may not win, but in college he will always win. Maybe not up to the standards that some set but he will be good for 8-10 wins a year every year for the rest of his career.

On another point, he has made this program as modern as the University will let him in a matter of three seasons. Something that was badly needed and all but shot down/ignored by the last three coaches.

 

[wizards8507]

I'd like to point out that there's a thread in this forum where people are debating which is better: getting beat down in a BCS bowl or going to a crappy bowl and winning. Those are our options, and even the second one isn't guaranteed.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

It's so easy to criticize BK right now for a number of people, but the bottom line is he will continue to win wherever he goes in college football. If he goes to the NFL he may not win, but in college he will always win. Maybe not up to the standards that some set but he will be good for 8-10 wins a year every year for the rest of his career.

On another point, he has made this program as modern as the University will let him in a matter of three seasons. Something that was badly needed and all but shot down/ignored by the last three coaches.

bingo. swarbrick coming to ND to hire kelly helped quite a bit too. they seem to know how to grease the administration in order to find a reasonable middle ground one issue at a time. i just had a flashback to kevin white...THE HORROR

 

[bmf175]

Kelly, I believe, is the best man for the job. He is bringing in great talent and great coaches.

Fans don't realize that college football has changed dramatically since ND was consistently in the top 5 every year. Never in the history of college football have there been so many teams that have the potential to play with the best in the nation.

Non FBS schools are coming in and giving power house programs a run for their money every year. A greater amount of player talent combined with a greater amount of quality coaches in the country means that the playing field across the board is being leveled.

Keep calm and have faith!

 

[wizards8507]

bingo. swarbrick coming to ND to hire kelly helped quite a bit too. they seem to know how to grease the administration in order to find a reasonable middle ground one issue at a time. i just had a flashback to kevin white...THE HORROR

Can someone please catch me up on why the administration is so terrible? I don't need a ton of typing but maybe point me to a thread, article, or blog post that gives an overview of the internal politics?

 

[irishfanjho15]

Can someone please catch me up on why the administration is so terrible? I don't need a ton of typing but maybe point me to a thread, article, or blog post that gives an overview of the internal politics?

Old money/alums, a real academic reputation, and religion.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

Can someone please catch me up on why the administration is so terrible? I don't need a ton of typing but maybe point me to a thread, article, or blog post that gives an overview of the internal politics?

i wish i had the time to find and relay an article. it's just something i've learned over the years growing up as an ND fan and constantly reading articles. there's a long long history of the power struggle between the team, ADs, and administration. kevin white is notorious for incompetence. i seem to remember a thread a while back that touched on some of the highlights over the last 50 years or so.

 

[ThePiombino]

Old money/alums, a real academic reputation, and religion.

Did I miss anything?

Illuminati

 

[wizards8507]

Old money/alums

Makes sense.

a real academic reputation

I'd probably side with the admin. on that one.

and religion.

What does that have to do with it?

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't understand people take shots at IrishPat's personality because he has a different perspective of where the program should be.

You guys are making it sound like he's a bad person, when in all reality you guys are taking shots at him, not the other way around. Seems like those people are the ones with the problems.

And I don't think it's right to assume someone's personality is exactly how they are on a message board with strangers. I'm way more polite on here than I am with my friends, simply because of how many sensitive posters there are on here. I'm literally night and day in real life.

FWIW, if I had to guess, I bet IrishPat is cooler in real life than 90% of the people on here, so I doubt his personality 'sucks'. I'd watch a ND game with him, no doubt. But like I said, it's hard to judge real life personality from a message board.

 

[IrishLax]

Can someone please catch me up on why the administration is so terrible? I don't need a ton of typing but maybe point me to a thread, article, or blog post that gives an overview of the internal politics?

Here's the cliffnotes, and the cliffnotes are long. It's important understand what makes up the "administration."

First, there is the Board of Trustee. The BoT is one of the strangest amalgamations of people you can imagine. Some C.S.C. priests, some regular people... some hate the fact that we even have a football team as it detracts from the academic focus of the University, some love ND football. It is far from a monolithic group, and ultimately wields the most power/influence as a whole.

Next, comes the president. Currently that's Father Jenkins, and he's the most powerful singular individual when it comes to making decisions. His only "bosses" in a sense are God, the C.S.C., and the Board of Trustees.

Then you have all the little governing people... Swarbick, ResLife, etc. who are important because they have a lot of control over certain important things, but don't really set the over-arching policy of the University.

When people say "the administration" is a hindrance, what they typically mean is that as a collective group they are not 100% committed to football excellence and that has an overall detrimental effect. It's a cyclical issue depending on who's in charge... and got very bad under Malloy who did everything in his power to kill football, versus Jenkins who seems to -- at minimum -- not be an enemy of the program. Examples how the administration negatively effects putting the best product on the field include:
-Low pay for assistant coaches relative to the powers out there.
-Mediocre facilities (got VERY bad under Malloy)
-Difficult admissions relative to the general FBS landscape
-Draconian ResLife policies
-Crappy dorm situations for athletes
-No training table (fixed... sorta)
-Harsh academics standards in school
-No video board
-No field turf
-No blind-eye or tacit endorsement of cheating
-All of the measures that made ND not a hostile environment (getting fixed)
-No JUCOs
-No oversigning
-No greyshirts
etc. etc. etc. etc.

Many of these things people would say are fine policies to have. Others people dislike. It's all subjective, but at the end of the school simply isn't designed to be a semi-pro powerhouse like some SEC schools, Ohio State, etc. It's gotten better but it still is way short of the "all in" mark.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

so you are assuming something about him based solely on his internet self, it's just the opposite opinion of other people. it's the same thing, but with a different result. the logic failure hurts my brain.

edit: that's not pointed PANDFAN. just irishpat and kuehja...and the repost doesn't include the referenced post. this didn't turn out how i expected it to.

 

[koonja]

so you two are assuming something about him based solely on his internet self, it's just the opposite opinion of other people. it's the same thing, but with a different result. the logic failure hurts my brain.

I said it's hard to tell someone's real life personality over the internet and used myself as an example. But Irishpat seems more easy going than the people who feel the need to puff up their chests and take shots at people on the internet for going against the status quo.

Gun to my head, in the real world Pat's probably cooler than those people.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Some people show love for their team in a different way.

No, I'm obviously not an "ND MAN" in that regard.

I'm hard on the team and when they win it all, I'll sit back and crack a beer and relax...finally.

So what your saying is your giving up drinking for life?

FWIW, if I had to guess, I bet IrishPat is cooler in real life than 90% of the people on here, so I doubt his personality 'sucks'. I'd watch a ND game with him, no doubt. But like I said, it's hard to judge real life personality from a message board

Thats why you only have a few hundred million vBucks

 

[Irish Insanity]

so you are assuming something about him based solely on his internet self, it's just the opposite opinion of other people. it's the same thing, but with a different result. the logic failure hurts my brain.

Internet dating is a booming industry based on opinions formed form online profiles. Didn't Manti get fooled too online.

 

[koonja]

So what your saying is your giving up drinking for life?



Thats why you only have a few hundred million vBucks

I've been trading all of my vbucks to Dshans who's promising me some bitcoins.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

I said it's hard to tell someone's real life personality over the internet and used myself as an example. But Irishpat seems more easy going than the people who feel the need to puff up their chests and take shots at people on the internet for going against the status quo.

Gun to my head, in the real world Pat's probably cooler than those people.

exactly. you're saying it's hard to tell in the context of criticizing people for assuming things about him. then you assumed he was cool even though it's hard to tell...

you also assumed that all those other people aren't cool even though it's hard to tell...

 

[koonja]

exactly. you're saying it's hard to tell in the context of criticizing people for assuming things about him. then you assumed he was cool even though it's hard to tell...

you also assumed that all those other people aren't cool even though it's hard to tell...

You are right, but IMO it's easier to recognize an ******* than someone who might be decent in real life.

Just look at the people who pick apart posts just to find something to argue about and chuck insults.

Irishpat does not do that is all I am saying. I also said FWIW, because as you pointed out, I believe it is hard to tell over the internet. Irishpat doesn't strike me as a want to be tough guy though. He strikes me as a passionate ND fan. Who's really impatient, lol.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Makes sense.


I'd probably side with the admin. on that one.


What does that have to do with it?

I'd side with the admin too. You asked for the reasons, you didn't ask to discuss them. And religion has a place because of the moral implications of campus life and what is acceptable vs. unacceptable. It's hard for me to believe that the tough standards at ND in so far as acceptable/unacceptable behavior has not been shaped in some way by the religious principles in which the university was founded on.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I said it's hard to tell someone's real life personality over the internet...

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm a cool guy and want an internet friend.

My only requirements are:

1. Must enjoy the outdoors

2. Must enjoy football, baseball, basketball

3. Tolerate the ganja

4. Handle your booze

5. Be over 5'11
A. Sorry just can't be around short people

 

[koonja]

Well played, although I don't think that logic applies to ND message boards from my experience, lol.

In reality, 1 out of every 10 people are 'tough'. On here, 9 out of 10 could take down king kong.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Well played, although I don't think that logic applies to ND message boards from my experience, lol.

In reality, 1 out of every 10 people are 'tough'. On here, 9 out of 10 could take down king kong.

He's got one for every situation:

"Why is America such a violent country, Mr. Wilde?"

"Because the wallpaper is so ugly."