'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Irishnuke]

EG's terrible decision has certainly crippled this team. He definitely deserves his criticism. When does it stop though? We should have moved on by now. He isn't the reason we lost to Michigan or Oklahoma. It was fair to criticize him when he made the poor choice and even for a while after that. Eventually you have to move on and worry about the players who are playing. We were all so quick to forgive and forget with Floyd when his poor decision could have had far worse consequences. I'm no Golson apologist. He totally f'd up. I understand the frustration everyone feels. We need to put it in the past though and move on.

 

[Irish Insanity]

EG's terrible decision has certainly crippled this team. He definitely deserves his criticism. When does it stop though? We should have moved on by now. He isn't the reason we lost to Michigan or Oklahoma. It was fair to criticize him when he made the poor choice and even for a while after that. Eventually you have to move on and worry about the players who are playing. We were all so quick to forgive and forget with Floyd when his poor decision could have had far worse consequences. I'm no Golson apologist. He totally f'd up. I understand the frustration everyone feels. We need to put it in the past though and move on.

There is no moving on because as of right now its still possibly the future. Nothing will be put to rest in regards to Golson until he either returns to the University, or doesn't.

 

[GoIrish41]

EG's terrible decision has certainly crippled this team. He definitely deserves his criticism. When does it stop though? We should have moved on by now. He isn't the reason we lost to Michigan or Oklahoma. It was fair to criticize him when he made the poor choice and even for a while after that. Eventually you have to move on and worry about the players who are playing. We were all so quick to forgive and forget with Floyd when his poor decision could have had far worse consequences. I'm no Golson apologist. He totally f'd up. I understand the frustration everyone feels. We need to put it in the past though and move on.

When his poor judgment last year stops having a direct effect on the current team.

 

[TDHeysus]

footwork, maybe. more compact throwing motion, maybe. Golson really needs to improve on red zone efficiency, scoring TD's instead of FG's.

 

[DillonHall]

I blame the ineptitude of the ND Defense not on the OL not making adjustments to defensive looks or getting to the second level in the running game. I don't blame the RBs finding the holes. I don't blame the **** poor playcalling (although it is infuriating). I don't even blame Tommy's obvious confusion on the field or his poor decisions to throw into double coverage. I blame Golson and his idiotic, selfish decision to cheat on a test and let the entire team down. I know everyone is excited about his return, but I'm not really. Our offense would be much better with him this year and it was right there in front of him and he completely blew it and took a dump on the entire team. As I think about a 3-2 record and the prospect of an 8-4 season, my blame is focused on the guy who could have made a huge difference and made a purposeful error in judgment that made ND a worse team this year.

I'm glad the internet provides a place for idiots to voice their opinions. Congratulations.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm glad the internet provides a place for idiots to voice their opinions. Congratulations.

Yes the internet is great. It also allows people to be anonymous a**holes. Glad that is working out for you.

 

[stlnd01]

EG's terrible decision has certainly crippled this team. He definitely deserves his criticism. When does it stop though? We should have moved on by now. He isn't the reason we lost to Michigan or Oklahoma.

It stops when we find/develop another quarterback of his caliber. Right now we don't have one, and it's killing our offense, especially against better defenses. And while his absence may not be "the" reason we lost to Oklahoma, it was pretty high on the list. Take away a pick or two in the first half, complete some passes in the fourth quarter, and that was a game we could have had.

 

[enrico514]

EG made a stupid mistake but he could have been hurt on the first play of the season and been out for the year. Not having a decent #2 falls directly on the coaching staff.

 

[GoIrish41]

EG made a stupid mistake but he could have been hurt on the first play of the season and been out for the year. Not having a decent #2 falls directly on the coaching staff.

Ig golson had a major injury at the end of last season i suspect kiel would have stayed.

 

[arrowryan]

EG made a stupid mistake but he could have been hurt on the first play of the season and been out for the year. Not having a decent #2 falls directly on the coaching staff.

Tommy Rees would a great #2. It's not the staff's fault that EG got in trouble.

Plus, there aren't very many, if any, teams that have a decent #2 quarterback in college football

 

[enrico514]

Ig golson had a major injury at the end of last season i suspect kiel would have stayed.

Could have been play #1 of this season and we would still be stuck with TR.

 

[arrowryan]

The 2014 offense though>>>

 

[enrico514]

Tommy Rees would a great #2. It's not the staff's fault that EG got in trouble.

Plus, there aren't very many, if any, teams that have a decent #2 quarterback in college football

Not their fault that EG got in trouble but TR being our best option once EG is out of the picture is defiantly on the coaching staff.

 

[arrowryan]

Not their fault that EG got in trouble but TR being our best option once EG is out of the picture is defiantly on the coaching staff.

Andrew Hendrix has been lost since he's gotten to campus, wasn't their fault Gunner was afraid of competition, and I don't blame them for not wasting a year of eligibility on the left handed Golson. Rees was definitely the best option

 

[D-BOE34]

Andrew Hendrix has been lost since he's gotten to campus, wasn't their fault Gunner was afraid of competition, and I don't blame them for not wasting a year of eligibility on the left handed Golson. Rees was definitely the best option

BK hasn't developed a QB since he has been here. I absolutely blame the staff on that. GK left because he didn't get along with the staff. If Rees is still the best option, then you can 100% blame the coaches.

 

[ThePiombino]

BK hasn't developed a QB since he has been here. I absolutely blame the staff on that. GK left because he didn't get along with the staff. If Rees is still the best option, then you can 100% blame the coaches.

Yeah, I'm sure not being able to beat out TR for the #2 spot on the depth chart had NOTHING to do with it.

 

[arrowryan]

BK hasn't developed a QB since he has been here. I absolutely blame the staff on that. GK left because he didn't get along with the staff. If Rees is still the best option, then you can 100% blame the coaches.

Golson wasn't developing throughout the season last year!? Golson was a straight baller the second half of the season. Golson was the first true quarterback that BK brought in. Ress and Hendrix had a scholarship and already committed to Notre Dame months before BK was hired. If BK was the HC in December 2009, I doubt Rees and Hendrix get offered.

They were doing a great job in developing Golson and we saw him make big strides in his development last year, especially in the OU game.

I expect great development in Zaire too, setting up a great QB battle in 2014 with Golson getting the start

 

[ThePiombino]

Golson wasn't developing throughout the season last year!? Golson was a straight baller the second half of the season. Golson was the first true quarterback that BK brought in. Ress and Hendrix had a scholarship and already committed to Notre Dame months before BK was hired. If BK was the HC in December 2009, I doubt Rees and Hendrix get offered.

They were doing a great job in developing Golson and we saw him make big strides in his development last year, especially in the OU game.

I expect great development in Zaire too, setting up a great QB battle in 2014 with Golson getting the start

I could see BK going after Hendrix.

 

[RyCo1983]

I could see BK going after Hendrix.

Considering the fact that he offered him a scholarship while at Cincinnati...and Hendrix is from Cinci...YEAH

I totally agree.

 

[arrowryan]

You guys are probably right about Hendrix, but I reminds me way too much of Crist

 

[ThePiombino]

Considering the fact that he offered him a scholarship while at Cincinnati...and Hendrix is from Cinci...YEAH

I totally agree.

Well then lol

 

[#1rish]

Question: Do you think the Michigan and Oklahoma games would have had different outcomes if EG was under center?

 

[koonja]

Question: Do you think the Michigan and Oklahoma games would have had different outcomes if EG was under center?

Absolutely.

 

[ulukinatme]

Absolutely.

It's Everett's fault we're 3-2 right now then.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Question: Do you think the Michigan and Oklahoma games would have had different outcomes if EG was under center?

Michigan--eh, toss up. if the d is giving up that many points its tough to say.

Ok--yes.

the more telling difference--more rushing attempts vs. less passing attempts. potentially longer sustainable drives. gassing the opposing defense and keeping opposing offenses off the field.

i think thats what EG wouldve brought to the table. is that enough to make a difference? i think so.

 

[Luckylucci]

Question: Do you think the Michigan and Oklahoma games would have had different outcomes if EG was under center?

If you were to expect progression from last year to this year in his development, which I was. Then I undoubtedly say yes. Golson allows the staff to run their entire offense or any offense they want to at any given time. Something thats becoming pretty clear to me is that Rees's pre-snap adjustments aren't really working because he's not completing the passes. If he completes those passes enough then when he checks out of a run to keep defenses honest they would have to adjust to his adjustments, did I say that correctly? Teams are loading the box regardless of the call and making him beat them. At this time he's not doing that efficiently enough. So the one thing that Tommy had that Everett didn't isn't really a positive anymore, IMO.

 

[ThePiombino]

If you were to expect progression from last year to this year in his development, which I was. Then I undoubtedly say yes. Golson allows the staff to run their entire offense or any offense they want to at any given time. Something thats becoming pretty clear to me is that Rees's pre-snap adjustments aren't really working because he's not completing the passes. If he completes those passes enough then when he checks out of a run to keep defenses honest they would have to adjust to his adjustments, did I say that correctly? Teams are loading the box regardless of the call and making him beat them. At this time he's not doing that efficiently enough. So the one thing that Tommy had that Everett didn't isn't really a positive anymore, IMO.

This is a fair assessment.

 

[koonja]

I've said this in another thread, but we just need to be patient.

It's not Rees's fault he's not a good QB at this level. You cannot compete with great schools with Rees at QB, week in and week out. If anything, it's BK's, but I also have a hard time faulting him because he can't expect Golson to get expelled and Gunner to transfer (BTW, those who don't think Gunner would have beaten out Rees this year are dead wrong, IMO).

This is the last year the cupboards will be bare at QB. BK probably wishes he could sleep through this year, but he cannot. It is what it is, but starting next year, we'll have EG for 2 years, Malik for 4 years, and Kizer for 5 years.

If give BK/Rees a pass on this year, offensively. After this, if we're not producing, it's 100% on BK and there will be no excuses.

Be patient! This year's going to suck but after this, we'll never see a QB like Rees play for BK again.

 

[ThePiombino]

I've said this in another thread, but we just need to be patient.

It's not Rees's fault he's not a good QB at this level. You cannot compete with great schools with Rees at QB, week in and week out. If anything, it's BK's, but I also have a hard time faulting him because he can't expect Golson to get expelled and Gunner to transfer (BTW, those who don't think Gunner would have beaten out Rees this year are dead wrong, IMO).

This is the last year the cupboards will be bare at QB. BK probably wishes he could sleep through this year, but he cannot. It is what it is, but starting next year, we'll have EG for 2 years, Malik for 4 years, and Kizer for 5 years.

If give BK/Rees a pass on this year, offensively. After this, if we're not producing, it's 100% on BK and there will be no excuses.

Be patient! This year's going to suck but after this, we'll never see a QB like Rees play for BK again.

I agree with the majority of this post, but as for the bolded- at least for me, the knock is not that he COULDN'T beat Tommy, it's that he had no desire to compete.

 

[koonja]

I agree with the majority of this post, but as for the bolded- at least for me, the knock is not that he COULDN'T beat Tommy, it's that he had no desire to compete.

I get that Gunner seems flaky, but he's also a super talent. 6'4" QBs with laser rocket arms, intelligence, and wheels don't grow on trees. His upside if nothing else would put him past Rees this year IMO.